What is the worst thing that can happen to Nadal and his legacy?

MixieP · May 21, 2011

After IW: Nadal's first serve went awol; he's still suffering from the fever.
After Miami: It's HC, after all. Nadal did well to hang with God-mode Djokovic; it'll be different come the clay court season.
After Madrid: The Madrid clay is superfast plus the altitude makes it more like HC.
After Rome: Ah well, Novak is in incredible form; but Nadal owns Paris. No one beats Rafa in a five-setter on clay.

Now I wonder, what is the worst thing that can happen to Nadal if he were to meet Djokovic in the RG final: lose in three sets or lose in five sets? Will it make any difference?

OddJack · May 21, 2011

MixieP said:
After IW: Nadal's first serve went awol; he's still suffering from the fever.
After Miami: It's HC, after all. Nadal did well to hang with God-mode Djokovic; it'll be different come the clay court season.
After Madrid: The Madrid clay is superfast plus the altitude makes it more like HC.
After Rome: Ah well, Novak is in incredible form; but Nadal owns Paris. No one beats Rafa in a five-setter on clay.

Now I wonder, what is the worst thing that can happen to Nadal if he were to meet Djokovic in the RG final: lose in three sets or lose in five sets? Will it make any difference?

It's huge.

why?

1-Because his greatest achievement was establishing KOC. He then stays 1 short of Borg record.

2- Losing 3 straight clay finals to a joker with no great clay history will make Nadal look like a muscle freak who won his clay trophies with his biceps and went away at age of 25

3- This is last year that Nadal is the certain favorite

4- it doesnt matter 3 or 4 or 5, 3 set loss more likely.

rommil · May 21, 2011

Lose his 5 devout fans.

Sentinel · May 21, 2011

I think even if Rofla loses this FO, due to Noel being in super-GOD mode, he will win one or more FO's in the coming years. Noel has to come off this high. The worst is that he goes Borg mode and quits, but i don't think Uncle Phoni will let him.

His Clay reign will go down as a weak clay era, in which the only challenger had a one-handed backhand which Rofl could easily exploit with his lefty moonballs. Also, it wasn't Rofl's tennis skills, as much as the fact that he got into the GOAT's head that did the damage.

What's sad is that this will happen while he's still young and in prime.

rommil said:
Lose his 5 devout fans.

ROFL x Raffy Sterol

jackson vile · May 21, 2011

MixieP said:
After IW: Nadal's first serve went awol; he's still suffering from the fever.
After Miami: It's HC, after all. Nadal did well to hang with God-mode Djokovic; it'll be different come the clay court season.
After Madrid: The Madrid clay is superfast plus the altitude makes it more like HC.
After Rome: Ah well, Novak is in incredible form; but Nadal owns Paris. No one beats Rafa in a five-setter on clay.

Now I wonder, what is the worst thing that can happen to Nadal if he were to meet Djokovic in the RG final: lose in three sets or lose in five sets? Will it make any difference?

He has lost at RG before, and he came back even better.

The fact remains that Nadal surpassed all expectations and proved all haters wrong. He destroyed Federer's legacy, has accomplished records that no one has, etc.

He wins no matter what.

jackson vile · May 21, 2011

MixieP said:
After IW: Nadal's first serve went awol; he's still suffering from the fever.
After Miami: It's HC, after all. Nadal did well to hang with God-mode Djokovic; it'll be different come the clay court season.
After Madrid: The Madrid clay is superfast plus the altitude makes it more like HC.
After Rome: Ah well, Novak is in incredible form; but Nadal owns Paris. No one beats Rafa in a five-setter on clay.

Now I wonder, what is the worst thing that can happen to Nadal if he were to meet Djokovic in the RG final: lose in three sets or lose in five sets? Will it make any difference?

I also want to add, that it is extremely foolish and out right ignorant to believe that Federer is not a threat. You get too full of yourself and Novak may find himself losing to Federer.

vive le beau jeu ! · May 21, 2011

MixieP said:
After IW: Nadal's first serve went awol; he's still suffering from the fever.
After Miami: It's HC, after all. Nadal did well to hang with God-mode Djokovic; it'll be different come the clay court season.
After Madrid: The Madrid clay is superfast plus the altitude makes it more like HC.
After Rome: Ah well, Novak is in incredible form; but Nadal owns Paris. No one beats Rafa in a five-setter on clay.

Now I wonder, what is the worst thing that can happen to Nadal if he were to meet Djokovic in the RG final: lose in three sets or lose in five sets? Will it make any difference?

and what about a 3 sets loss against big john in the 1st round ?
this scenario is cool too !

Clay lover · May 21, 2011

Nothing bad can happen to Nadal and his legacy, just like nothing can happen to Federer's legacy even if he loses every match on earth now. They have already established themselve as tennis legends, like it or not.

jfish · May 21, 2011

Clay lover said:
Nothing bad can happen to Nadal and his legacy, just like nothing can happen to Federer's legacy even if he loses every match on earth now. They have already established themselve as tennis legends, like it or not.

Agree, Unless he does something wrong like that IMF dude did

zagor · May 21, 2011

jackson vile said:
He has lost at RG before, and he came back even better.

The fact remains that Nadal surpassed all expectations and proved all haters wrong. He destroyed Federer's legacy, has accomplished records that no one has, etc.

He wins no matter what.

Nope,Fed's legacy is secure,during his peak(around the age Nadal is now) he was nigh unbeatable on HC and grass and no one was ranked ahead of him.He had a losing record against Nadal on clay true but that's his worst surface,he was never considered to be the best claycourt player on tour.In short during his time he was the undisputed best on his preferred surfaces/slams(Wimbledom,USO and AO).

Nadal's legacy on the other hand is in terrible danger right now,he's only 24 year old and at his highest possible peak(holding 3 out of 4 slams which he never did before)yet there's one player who's not only playing better tennis than him on HC but is even owning him on his best surface clay(so far atleast).If Novak beats peakest of peak Nadal at FO and ends year #1 it would be impossible to claim that Rafa's a GOAT on clay let alone GOAT overall.

As for Nadal exceeding expectations,can't quite agree on that one.People were predicting he'll win his 4th slam in a row at AO this year yet he lost to a veteran from Federer era(David Ferrer)and that he'll smash Fed's slam record in the following years so it remains to be seen whether Nadal will meet these expectations let alone exceed them.

OddJack · May 21, 2011

...he destroyed Federer's legacy...

what a short minded thing to say.

The only thing he destroyed is his own body.

And the only way he could destroy his legacy is by winning more majors.

jackson vile · May 21, 2011

zagor said:
Nope,Fed's legacy is secure,during his peak(around the age Nadal is now) he was nigh unbeatable on HC and grass and no one was ranked ahead of him.He had a losing record against Nadal on clay true but that's his worst surface,he was never considered to be the best claycourt player on tour.In short during his time he was the undisputed best on his preferred surfaces/slams(Wimbledom,USO and AO).

Nadal's legacy on the other hand is in terrible danger right now,he's only 24 year old and at his highest possible peak(holding 3 out of 4 slams which he never did before)yet there's one player who's not only playing better tennis than him on HC but is even owning him on his best surface clay(so far atleast).If Novak beats peakest of peak Nadal at FO and ends year #1 it would be impossible to claim that Rafa's a GOAT on clay let alone GOAT overall.

As for Nadal exceeding expectations,can't quite agree on that one.People were predicting he'll win his 4th slam in a row at AO this year yet he lost to a veteran from Federer era(David Ferrer)and that he'll smash Fed's slam record in the following years so it remains to be seen whether Nadal will meet these expectations let alone exceed them.

Lol, delusional at best. All the ****s from beginning to end said that "this is Nadal's last year,he'll never win Wim, he'll never win a HC slam, etc"

So you are wrong, at age 24 Nadal accomplished far more than what Roger ever did.

Nadal was never to win a HC slam let alone a career slam at such a young age. He was just a one dimensional clay courter remember?

8PAQ · May 21, 2011

vive le beau jeu ! said:
and what about a 3 sets loss against big john in the 1st round ?
this scenario is cool too !

Sounds good. I like the way you think. As much I'd like to Novak beat Nadal I can wait for Nadal to fall in rankings so that can be Novak's routine 1st round opponent.

Dilettante · May 21, 2011

zagor said:
Nadal's legacy on the other hand is in terrible danger right now,

His 9 slam titles will be taken away from him if he loses RG?

OddJack · May 21, 2011

Nadal retards are still in denial. They are scared of Djoker so they keep bringing Federer into conversation.

Rodge is done for the most part with his career. With record majors. His legacy is untouchable. Move on. Deal with djoker now who is beating Rafa's dirty ass left and right.

Rafa the moonballer!! muhahahaaa what a disgrace to men's tennis. This is the muscular guy who is geting beat by a thin guy who has brains and a two handed BH Nadal cannot penetrate.
THanks to djoker, things are interesting again in clay season.

OddJack · May 21, 2011

Dilettante said:
His 9 slam titles will be taken away from him if he loses RG?

Federer's 16 majors will be taken away if he has losing H2H against Rafa?

8PAQ · May 21, 2011

jackson vile said:
Lol, delusional at best. All the ****s from beginning to end said that "this is Nadal's last year,he'll never win Wim, he'll never win a HC slam, etc"

So you are wrong, at age 24 Nadal accomplished far more than what Roger ever did.

Nadal was never to win a HC slam let alone a career slam at such a young age. He was just a one dimensional clay courter remember?

Same goes for you. Every time I time I think you can't post anything dumber you prove me wrong and raise the retardation to new dizzying heights. Bravo!

PSNELKE · May 21, 2011

what on earth could rabble on his legacy?

Man he completed the CGS, won the Channel Slam twice, Olympics blablabla

cc0509 · May 21, 2011

8PAQ said:
Same goes for you. Every time I time I think you can't post anything dumber you prove me wrong and raise the retardation to new dizzying heights. Bravo!

LOL! Agreed.

jackson vile · May 21, 2011

OddJack said:
Federer's 16 majors will be taken away if he has losing H2H against Rafa?

And I guess you believe Nadal's records will be taken away if he loses #1?

Oh, I forgot **** logic is based on total hypocrisy

Yeah that is really intelligent LOL

jackson vile · May 21, 2011

cc0509 said:
LOL! Agreed.

Are you really so stupid? People were saying Roger could be GOAT until Nadal completely took that away from him. IE how can you be GOAT when you are being dominated during your supposed era? Bit of a paradox, oh sorry is that too big of word for you LOL

Roger would have multiple Calendar slams were it not for Nadal.

As matter of fact Roger very likely would have broken all records both pre-open and open had it not been for Nadal.

Do you understand the difference?

No one ever stopped Nadal from doing anything, period.

Nadal already lost to Soderling at the FO, so what form of logic would lead anyone to believe losing to Novak would change anything????

Now that is out right stupidity!

Dilettante · May 21, 2011

OddJack said:
Federer's 16 majors will be taken away if he has losing H2H against Rafa?

No, but how does that answer the question?

No matter if Djoko wins 5 slams or 45 slams, Nadal still will be one of the all time greats just because what he has already done, even if he doesn't win another single title. I don't see any legacy in danger.

namelessone · May 21, 2011

Just when you think TW couldn't get more moronic, here come the posts from this thread.

Look geniuses, Nadal and Federer and LEGENDS. Get it through your thick head.

Federer has 16 slams, career slam, a gazillion masters trophies, was nr.1 for many many years, you name it.

Nadal has 9 slams, most masters trophies, career slam, Olympics Gold, 100 non-consecutive weeks at nr.1 and so on.

No one can take ANYTHING from these guys since they have reached the top and stayed there for a long time.

If Nadal wins a slam this year, it will have been his 7th year in a row winning slams(2005-2011). Fed did it for 8 consecutive years(2003-2010). But yeah, they are both in their prime

Oh BTW, if Nadal wins another slam till the end of the career he enters the double digits club, something done only by Fed,Sampras and Borg in the open era. Not bad company to be in, especially when you are just a guy with a big bicep.

Mick · May 21, 2011

i think the worst thing that could happen to nadal and his legacy is somehow he would lose his cool and throw a mcenroe like tantrum the next time he loses a close match to djokovic. he has always been known as a nice guy.

abmk · May 21, 2011

LOL @ sh*tson vile's comments ... Hasn't he realised his ****s, Nards stuff is about a billion years old and is even more boring than watching someone paint a wall ?

P.S. In case it hasn't sunk it yet, zagor was applying the same logic you used on federer to nadal. He wasn't being serious about it !

abmk · May 21, 2011

Dilettante said:
No, but how does that answer the question?

No matter if Djoko wins 5 slams or 45 slams, Nadal still will be one of the all time greats just because what he has already done, even if he doesn't win another single title. I don't see any legacy in danger.

Please get that through jackson vile's thick head who thinks nadal has "destroyed" federer's legacy !

cc0509 · May 21, 2011

jackson vile said:
Are you really so stupid? People were saying Roger could be GOAT until Nadal completely took that away from him. IE how can you be GOAT when you are being dominated during your supposed era? Bit of a paradox, oh sorry is that too big of word for you LOL

Roger would have multiple Calendar slams were it not for Nadal.

As matter of fact Roger very likely would have broken all records both pre-open and open had it not been for Nadal.

Do you understand the difference?

No one ever stopped Nadal from doing anything, period.

Nadal already lost to Soderling at the FO, so what form of logic would lead anyone to believe losing to Novak would change anything????

Now that is out right stupidity!

This post is so comical and nonsensical that I should not even respond to it but here I go.

Nadal did not take anything away from Federer. Far from it. The only thing Nadal has on Federer is a winning h2h. Nadal did not dominate Federer. It is not like their head to head is 22-2 in favor of Nadal. The ONLY thing the h2h means between Nadal and Roger is that Nadal is a bad match up for Federer and that Nadal is better than Roger on CLAY. The h2h is just one statistic. It does not negate Federer's other multiple achievements.

Oh, and nobody will take anything away from Nadal? Are you sure about that?
If Djokovic wins the FO and defeats Nadal in the final, it will deprive Nadal of his 6th FO title which would arguably let Nadal surpass Borg in his clay court achievements. So yes, Djokovic could take something away from Nadal. It won't take away Nadal's legacy just as Nadal did not take away Federer's, but it will prevent Nadal from attaining a very important achievement in his career if Djokovic wins the FO.

Federer is far and away ahead of Nadal in terms of overall achievements. The only thing Nadal strongly has over Federer is that he is better on clay than Roger. Whereas Federer will be known as an all court player based on his achievements, Nadal will most notably be known as a clay court specialist especially if he is unable to win any more slams. If Nadal does not win another FO even his clay court GOATNESS will always be questioned next to Borg's records.

See the difference?

Semi-Pro · May 21, 2011

Dilettante said:
No, but how does that answer the question?

No matter if Djoko wins 5 slams or 45 slams, Nadal still will be one of the all time greats just because what he has already done, even if he doesn't win another single title. I don't see any legacy in danger.

BUT......

jackson vile said:
Are you really so stupid? People were saying Roger could be GOAT until Nadal completely took that away from him. IE how can you be GOAT when you are being dominated during your supposed era? Bit of a paradox, oh sorry is that too big of word for you LOL

Roger would have multiple Calendar slams were it not for Nadal.

As matter of fact Roger very likely would have broken all records both pre-open and open had it not been for Nadal.

Do you understand the difference?

No one ever stopped Nadal from doing anything, period.

Nadal already lost to Soderling at the FO, so what form of logic would lead anyone to believe losing to Novak would change anything????

Now that is out right stupidity!

NamRanger · May 21, 2011

Dilettante said:
His 9 slam titles will be taken away from him if he loses RG?

Nope, but if Djokovic continues to own Nadal throughout the years we can just say that Nadal played an incredibly weak clay field for every single one of his FO titles.

Oh wait; that sounds so familiar.

abmk said:
LOL @ sh*tson vile's comments ... Hasn't he realised his ****s, Nards stuff is about a billion years old and is even more boring than watching someone paint a wall ?

P.S. In case it hasn't sunk it yet, zagor was applying the same logic you used on federer to nadal. He wasn't being serious about it !

Zagor is quickly becoming a new type of legend. At first, he was the calm and objective poster despite his admiration for Federer's game. All of a sudden, he has become a new breed of super troll. He is already well on his way at surpassing the past greats such as gj011 and Nadal_Freak; but can he surpass the best, only known as the legendary GOAT Fedace?!

jackson vile · May 21, 2011

namelessone said:
Just when you think TW couldn't get more moronic, here come the posts from this thread.

Look geniuses, Nadal and Federer and LEGENDS. Get it through your thick head.

Federer has 16 slams, career slam, a gazillion masters trophies, was nr.1 for many many years, you name it.

Nadal has 9 slams, most masters trophies, career slam, Olympics Gold, 100 non-consecutive weeks at nr.1 and so on.

No one can take ANYTHING from these guys since they have reached the top and stayed there for a long time.

If Nadal wins a slam this year, it will have been his 7th year in a row winning slams(2005-2011). Fed did it for 8 consecutive years(2003-2010). But yeah, they are both in their prime

Oh BTW, if Nadal wins another slam till the end of the career he enters the double digits club, something done only by Fed,Sampras and Borg in the open era. Not bad company to be in, especially when you are just a guy with a big bicep.

Very well made points. No one can take anything away from either player period! They have already made it into the hall of fame.

Now what will be even more interesting is if Novak can join them, that would be 3 consecutive players overlapping one another.

jackson vile · May 21, 2011

Dilettante said:
No, but how does that answer the question?

No matter if Djoko wins 5 slams or 45 slams, Nadal still will be one of the all time greats just because what he has already done, even if he doesn't win another single title. I don't see any legacy in danger.

They are just sour about Roger not being a factor.

Legend of Borg · May 21, 2011

If he shats himself when chasing down a dropper from Nole, then I think his legacy is in grave danger.

People will look back to that day and say "Twas a smelly affair".

danb · May 21, 2011

OddJack said:
Nadal retards are still in denial. They are scared of Djoker so they keep bringing Federer into conversation.

Rodge is done for the most part with his career. With record majors. His legacy is untouchable. Move on. Deal with djoker now who is beating Rafa's dirty ass left and right.

Rafa the moonballer!! muhahahaaa what a disgrace to men's tennis. This is the muscular guy who is geting beat by a thin guy who has brains and a two handed BH Nadal cannot penetrate.
THanks to djoker, things are interesting again in clay season.

Partially right.

1. Fed's legacy can only be surpassed if somebody wins more GS. Simple. Cannot agree more.
2. Joker plays in God mode these days. I don't even have to agree here :twisted:

BUT

1. I am not sure Nole can beat Rafa in 5 sets. Let's see.
2. Saying "Rafa the moonballer" insults ALL pro players today. How come Fed coudn't beat a moonballer on clay? IF it was that simple God Fed would have figured it out.

I think these are quite exciting times

_maxi · May 21, 2011

Hahaha Nadal destroyed Federer Legacy...... but he didn't even win ONE Masters Cup hahahahahaha LOL.

Federer one more than two mayors per year in maaaany years...... Nadal has to do that at least three more times. And then win at least three Masters Cup to be considered "equal" to Roger Federer Legacy.

Rafa the moonballer!! muhahahaaa what a disgrace to men's tennis. This is the muscular guy who is geting beat by a thin guy who has brains and a two handed BH Nadal cannot penetrate.
THanks to djoker, things are interesting again in clay season.

It's what we've been saying for YEARS.... Nadal won almost every match with horrible tennis... Thank "god" someone else came to save one way to win in tennis.. agressive good tennis and not the mix of "defensive-waiting-for-opponent-to-miss" and "sometimes-agressive-screaming-shots" that Nadal has used over the years..

danb · May 21, 2011

namelessone said:
Just when you think TW couldn't get more moronic, here come the posts from this thread.

Look geniuses, Nadal and Federer and LEGENDS. Get it through your thick head.

Federer has 16 slams, career slam, a gazillion masters trophies, was nr.1 for many many years, you name it.

Nadal has 9 slams, most masters trophies, career slam, Olympics Gold, 100 non-consecutive weeks at nr.1 and so on.

No one can take ANYTHING from these guys since they have reached the top and stayed there for a long time.

If Nadal wins a slam this year, it will have been his 7th year in a row winning slams(2005-2011). Fed did it for 8 consecutive years(2003-2010). But yeah, they are both in their prime

Oh BTW, if Nadal wins another slam till the end of the career he enters the double digits club, something done only by Fed,Sampras and Borg in the open era. Not bad company to be in, especially when you are just a guy with a big bicep.

Enough said. I am giving you an A+++

TennezSport · May 21, 2011

Want to add........

danb said:
1. I am not sure Nole can beat Rafa in 5 sets. Let's see.
2. Saying "Rafa the moonballer" insults ALL pro players today. How come Fed coudn't beat a moonballer on clay? IF it was that simple God Fed would have figured it out.
I think these are quite exciting times

The difference is that Rafa did not have to resort to "Moonballing" against Fed, but it was the only option that he had left against Nole; that is significant coming from Rafa. Add to that Nole beat Rafa on the slowest clay on tour in fewer games that any other surface. Also, in 4 three set matches it was Rafa who was the most tired, so how does a 5 set match benefit Rafa???

Fed, Raf and Nole are all great players that have made their marks on the sport, like them or not and it's great to have them bring the sport back to life. Enjoy it while we can.

Cheers, TennezSport

Deleted member 21996 · May 21, 2011

jackson vile said:
Lol, delusional at best. All the ****s from beginning to end said that "this is Nadal's last year,he'll never win Wim, he'll never win a HC slam, etc"

So you are wrong, at age 24 Nadal accomplished far more than what Roger ever did.

Nadal was never to win a HC slam let alone a career slam at such a young age. He was just a one dimensional clay courter remember?

sometimes i wonder if it's your **** to raise human stupidity to a new level. i was hoping for your rapture, be guess i was denied such treat!

Deleted member 3771 · May 21, 2011

Joker won't win the French but Joker's success has made Nadal a bigger legend because Nadal had to go through the great joker to win 4 of his slams, and to win the Olympic Gold and Davis cup.

MichaelNadal · May 21, 2011

OddJack said:
Nadal retards are still in denial. They are scared of Djoker so they keep bringing Federer into conversation.

Rodge is done for the most part with his career. With record majors. His legacy is untouchable. Move on. Deal with djoker now who is beating Rafa's dirty ass left and right.

Rafa the moonballer!! muhahahaaa what a disgrace to men's tennis. This is the muscular guy who is geting beat by a thin guy who has brains and a two handed BH Nadal cannot penetrate.
THanks to djoker, things are interesting again in clay season.

Your approaching the level where you should be banned for some of the stuff you're saying.

Legend of Borg · May 21, 2011

MichaelNadal said:
Your approaching the level where you should be banned for some of the stuff you're saying.

That's considered a compliment to Hafa on MTF.

MichaelNadal · May 21, 2011

Legend of Borg said:
That's considered a compliment to Hafa on MTF.

Still, if he can't troll without having to take it there then maybe he should rethink his strategy. I'll never understand how people can spend so much time trolling anyone who has done as much for tennis as Nadal, Federer, Djokovic or whoever else. It's childish and stupid that we can't just enjoy tennis. If Oddjack can't get out of his computer chair and win 9 slams, he shouldn't be talking crap.

DRII · May 21, 2011

zagor said:
Nope,Fed's legacy is secure,during his peak(around the age Nadal is now) he was nigh unbeatable on HC and grass and no one was ranked ahead of him.He had a losing record against Nadal on clay true but that's his worst surface,he was never considered to be the best claycourt player on tour.In short during his time he was the undisputed best on his preferred surfaces/slams(Wimbledom,USO and AO).

Nadal's legacy on the other hand is in terrible danger right now,he's only 24 year old and at his highest possible peak(holding 3 out of 4 slams which he never did before)yet there's one player who's not only playing better tennis than him on HC but is even owning him on his best surface clay(so far atleast).If Novak beats peakest of peak Nadal at FO and ends year #1 it would be impossible to claim that Rafa's a GOAT on clay let alone GOAT overall.

As for Nadal exceeding expectations,can't quite agree on that one.People were predicting he'll win his 4th slam in a row at AO this year yet he lost to a veteran from Federer era(David Ferrer)and that he'll smash Fed's slam record in the following years so it remains to be seen whether Nadal will meet these expectations let alone exceed them.

You're indeed foolish, if you believe Nadal's current level of play is his peak form!

mandy01 · May 21, 2011

Zag is the best

Let's see blinky better that now :mrgreen:

PSNELKE · May 21, 2011

Zag you fu$%ing legend. :lol:

TMF · May 21, 2011

Nadal definitely is under tremendous pressure. He's still has a lot to prove and no way he's satisfy at where he is right now. If he goes downhill at 24, he's going to be another Mac, Wilander who stop winning at 25 and only considered as Tier II great. Nadal is considered the KOC, and if he can't win the FO again, fans will not label him as a goat on clay. Nadal will never rest until the day he can prove to the fans(and himself).

Fed was in the same position when he was under tremendous pressure to win the career slam and match/surpass Sampras 14 slams. He has accomplished his goals and his legacy is secure. Roger now has no pressure.

It's stupid in trying to compare Nadal to Fed(you know who you are).

powerangle · May 21, 2011

jackson vile said:
Are you really so stupid? People were saying Roger could be GOAT until Nadal completely took that away from him. IE how can you be GOAT when you are being dominated during your supposed era? Bit of a paradox, oh sorry is that too big of word for you LOL

Roger would have multiple Calendar slams were it not for Nadal.

As matter of fact Roger very likely would have broken all records both pre-open and open had it not been for Nadal.

Sure, Nadal may have diminished Federer's records somewhat by being the constant thorn in his side. But "destroyed"?? Sorry, but Fed's legacy is intact and secure. He has many records to prove it as well. If anything, the fact that Federer was able to hold off Nadal from #1 for so long helps Federer's case. Plus, it's not like Federer was losing every single match to Nadal. Furthermore, Federer and Nadal both benefit from being in the "Fedal Era", when their major victories and legacies feed off one another.

Also, how has Federer's legacy been destroyed if he still holds/has so many records that are so far untouchable? Nadal wasn't able to stop Federer from breaking the previous record for Open Era slam titles, now did he? Could Federer have racked up even more numbers/stats without Nadal? Sure. But Federer still broke many records regardless of the Spaniard. Destroyed would be stopping Fed from breaking anything or achieving any new record. Now that would be horrible for Fed. But Federer achieved them anyway....Nadal or not.

No one ever stopped Nadal from doing anything, period.

Disagree here. If it weren't for Federer, Nadal would probably have two more Wimbledons by now. And therefore two more channel slams. Would be at double digits in slam count already (his pace for number of majors won by 25 would be freakishly higher). Also, Federer stopped Nadal from amassing many, many more weeks at #1 and year-ending #1.

So Federer and Nadal have "hurt" each other legacies. Nadal may have "hurt" (not destroyed) Fed's legacy a bit more than the other way around, but it's not a one-way street as you make it out to be.

TMF · May 21, 2011

DRII said:
You're indeed foolish, if you believe Nadal's current level of play is his peak form!

-IW
-Miami
-Barcelona
-MC
-Madrid
-Rome

6 consecutive tournaments he made the finals. What year had Nadal made all finals in those 6 events? NONE !

You can argue he's even better than the previous years !

Sentinel · May 21, 2011

"If Novak beats peakest of peak Nadal at FO"

ROFL x sunny Pee-ol

pure gold, zaggy. But where do you rate Noel ? Peakest of prime ?
primest of prime ?
pimest of preak ?

powerangle · May 21, 2011

Oh yeah, and Fed had snapped Rafa's clay winning streak at 81 too.. Without Fed, Rafa probably would have amassed 100+ straight wins. That's another stab from Fed into Rafa's legacy...amongst the many other things I have already mentioned.

powerangle · May 21, 2011

The fact is that Novak can stop Rafa from adding more to his legacy, or achieving some important stats/numbers....but no matter what happens at RG this year, no one can take anything away from Rafa's ALREADY ESTABLISHED legacy. Just like Rafa can't take away from Federer's already established greatness.

What is the worst thing that can happen to Nadal and his legacy?

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