Say for instance if you were using the blx six one tour vs aero pro drive and you had the same racquet head speed with the windsheild wiper motion and a western grip? And tell me why.
Hmm but most of us are nowhere near the top 100. So i'm leaning to racquet weight. I used to swing a exo3 graphite with a swingweight of 334 or so. My hitting partners had a harder time returning/controlling my balls than they do now after toning down to the exo3 tour. The thing was just too heavy to whip for someone of my size (though rewarding on full swings)
Say for instance if you were using the blx six one tour vs aero pro drive and you had the same racquet head speed with the windsheild wiper motion and a western grip? And tell me why.
Last night I decided to bust out my PSC6.1 that's leaded to 14.0oz and I served 18 Aces. During all my service games in 3 sets I only had to do more then a put away volley once....
It had my opponent laughing at how heavy my shots were! When you have a stick that heavy with even moderate technique and placement, you'll more then likely get a winner.
-Fuji
Heavy swingweight + fast swingspeed + clean contact= Heavy ball
Light racquet cannot create heavy ball. Nobody beats physics.
if you play so well with it then why don't you use that leaded up PSC 6.1 as your regular racket?
Nobody can beat physics... but you're forgetting about the second half of the equation- velocity. If you can swing a lighter racket much faster... mass is negated.
To be fair, kimiko's shot is one of the flattest and one of the slowest swings out there, so her club really suits her game.simple physics - heavy racket heavy ball... the limit is how heavy a racket you can swing for 2 hours without getting tired.
now, if Date Krumm can swing the 13.5 oz war club, all you sissys should be able to swing at least 12 ?
To be fair, kimiko's shot is one of the flattest and one of the slowest swings out there, so her club really suits her game.
I can't imagine doing a windshield wiper forehand for 2+ hours in a 13 ouncer. My shoulder would just rip apart from the recoil.
simple physics - heavy racket heavy ball... the limit is how heavy a racket you can swing for 2 hours without getting tired.
now, if Date Krumm can swing the 13.5 oz war club, all you sissys should be able to swing at least 12 ?
To a degree - yes. However, after a certain point it doesn't matter how fast you swing because the incoming ball carries so much torque/speed that the racquet speed of a light racquet cannot offset it.
My opinion is the blx 6.1 t would produce the heavier ball as it has a slightly hi-er SW. I think SW is the most critical factor in producing a heavy ball (lots of speed and spin). This assumes the swing speed is roughly the same with both rackets. ATP players seem to be consistently over 350 g in SW and WTA players are consistently over 330+ and frequently over 350+ too.
Federer and Nadal both add lead to increase SW over 350+ grams to these rackets.
in theory, sure, but a tennis ball doesn't weigh all that much (~2 oz.) and it loses a lot of momentum in the air and after the bounce. a 5.0 player playing with a 9 oz. racket won't be bothered much a by 3.5 playing with a 13 oz racket swinging as hard as he can.
if a 5.0 with a 9 plays a 5.0 with a 13, my money is on the 13.
If you want to hit a heavy ball, you have to be able to put your whole body in the shot. So, 75kg on average plus the weight of the racquet hitting the ball and you can see that the weight of the racquet is not much of a factor. Heavy feeling balls are hit with the body.
...but, it's still the racket/string that impacts the ball... think of an extreme case - delpo swings with 1oz racket, vs davy swinging a 12oz racket, who hits heavier?
there you go.
Rather extreme case, no? Here's another one. Take a 6yo girl and give here a leaded up KPS88. Get ready for some really heavy balls because it is the racquet, not the person, that produces the heavy ball, right?
Think what you want, I routinely play with people hitting really heavy balls with all sorts of racquets from unmodified Pure Drives through leaded up BLX90s. What all have in common is the ability to step into their shots and really drive the ball. Good technique can produce a heavier ball with a lighter racquet than bad technique can with a heavier racquet.
There are limitations. Mass is never negated.Nobody can beat physics... but you're forgetting about the second half of the equation- velocity. If you can swing a lighter racket much faster... mass is negated.
Not true. You can swing a heavy racquet and a light racquet at the same slow speed and you'll find that the heavy racquet will produce more spin.No, Federer's racket's swingweight is only about 340. blx 6.1 tour has heavy static weight, but its swingweight is not especially high compared to many other racquets.
IMO heavy balls are produced by stiff racquets for optimal energy transfer. Swingweight should be just heavy enough to allow maximum head speed. Heavy balls require fast swings. Because heavy racquet with low head speed will not hit heavy balls, just flatter balls.
Not true. You can swing a heavy racquet and a light racquet at the same slow speed and you'll find that the heavy racquet will produce more spin.
No, Federer's racket's swingweight is only about 340. blx 6.1 tour has heavy static weight, but its swingweight is not especially high compared to many other racquets.
IMO heavy balls are produced by stiff racquets for optimal energy transfer. Swingweight should be just heavy enough to allow maximum head speed. Heavy balls require fast swings. Because heavy racquet with low head speed will not hit heavy balls, just flatter balls.
You are obviously right. Also...if top 2-300 ATP pros are not limited by their stock radicals or pure drives I don't buy the 3.5-ers who need pro staff 88's or leaded up prestige mids to counter the "heavy balls" coming from their aunt Marie or uncle Bob's racquet.
I can understand preference for that feel...hell I prefer it as well, but that has nothing to do with how heavy the ball is. Nadal uses one of the lighter racquets on the tour and I expect his forehand to be one of the heavier to return.
I only wish I could hit balls as heavy as some of the ATP Pro players I've seen and really good 18 and under juniors I've seen or played who play with 300-ish grams (unstrung) racquets.
Einstein theory of tennis relativity FORCE = MASS * SPEED. In other words, how hard you hit it is the mass of the racket * the swing speed
>>>What would produce a heavy ball a heavy racquet or a light racquet?<<<
So it seems that its not the weight, but the swingweight that is the most important racquet-induced factor determining heaviness?