Djokovic wasn't injured

rafabull · Nov 5, 2011

If this guy was actually injured, he would have retired in that third set. Were talking about the clown who retires in a masters final and a Davis Cup semifinal when he's only down a set. What would keep him from retiring from a 500 event? You Djoko lovers and sugar coat this 1st class annihilation all you want, but the truth is your hero is past his brief prime.

Tammo · Nov 5, 2011

So you believed he was playing his best against Baghdatis and Malisse?

rafabull · Nov 5, 2011

Tammo said:
So you believed he was playing his best against Baghdatis and Malisse?

Yes. If he was "injured" why would he even come into this tournament? He proven how tournaments that aren't slams mean little to him. He thought with how crappily he's been playing, that maybe he would still be able to win the tournament, but sadly for him he actually came up against a decent player. I'm surprised that he didn't just retire in that third set since he was already making excuses.

Towser83 · Nov 5, 2011

So basically he's damned if he retires and damned if he doesn't? Nice.

Did you ever think that in Cinci he was thinking about the US OPEN being around the corner and at Davis Cup he was visibly REALLY hurt and in any case had a longer match to get through since it was best of 5?

In that situation his best case scenario was having to still win 3 sets, or playing through and losing 2 more. against Nishikori if he felt bad in the second set he knew he was still a few games away from winning, and in the 3rd set he basically only had to play for a little while longer and lose that one set rather than two. He also probably didn't want to retire for a 3rd time, so just played on.

Also no US Open and he can skip Paris if the WTF means that much to him.

Clarky21 · Nov 5, 2011

It's funny how suddenly a supposed shoulder injury from months ago(August)is now starting to act up again after absolutely no mention of it for some time,and many weeks off. He was moving his arm and shoulder just fine in that match,and I noticed no loss of range of motion. I also fail to believe that a shoulder injury would only affect his serve and nothing else,especially the fh. It's an excuse for his loss is all it is. Just like he used injuries to excuse away his losses in Cinci and at DC.

LetsGoRoddick · Nov 5, 2011

World no1's who win 3 gs and win 41 matches in a row don't lose 0-6 in the final set of a match.

He was injured.

bullfan · Nov 5, 2011

Clarky21 said:
It's funny how suddenly a supposed shoulder injury from months ago(August)is now starting to act up again after absolutely no mention of it for some time,and many weeks off. He was moving his arm and shoulder just fine in that match,and I noticed no loss of range of motion. I also fail to believe that a shoulder injury would only affect his serve and nothing else,especially the fh. It's an excuse for his loss is all it is. Just like he used injuries to excuse away his losses in Cinci and at DC.

Novak looked weak during the tournament with his serve, forehand and backhand. It was definitely Novak 1.0, down to the injury issues. But, at least he manned up and lost a whole match. Of course, if he hadn't, even the press wouldn't be able to call anything other than calling a match he won't win. We'll have to see how he does in 2012..... I doubt he has an ounce in the tank left for 2011.... He looked horrible during Basal, and that was against than top players. Paris and WTF are only going to be harder..... Novak looked horrible and totally tanked the 3rd.

It was mentioned that Novak's serve was back to what he got rid of due to possible shoulder injury...... Seems that thought was correct.....

rafabull · Nov 5, 2011

LetsGoRoddick said:
World no1's who win 3 gs and win 41 matches in a row don't lose 0-6 in the final set of a match.

He was injured.

That's the problem with you Nole lovers. You think that "there's no way somebody can beat him without him being injured, he the KING" but no, he was not injured. You need your shoulder for more than just the serve in tennis. His backhand forehand and everything but the serve were looking fine today. Just because his stupid coach decided to tweak his service motion again does not mean he's injured. You probably didn't even watch the match so shut up.

Clarky21 · Nov 5, 2011

rafabull said:
That's the problem with you Nole lovers. You think that "there's no way somebody can beat him without him being injured, he the KING" but no, he was not injured. You need your shoulder for more than just the serve in tennis. His backhand forehand and everything but the serve were looking fine today. Just because his stupid coach decided to tweak his service motion again does not mean he's injured.

Agreed. What's funny is he won the first set in convincing fashion(6-2),yet *********s still want to pull the injury card because he went on to lose the match. I guess his shoulder only starts acting up when he starts to lose. :lol: The truth is he lost because Kei played better than him and nothing else.

bullfan · Nov 5, 2011

Clarky21 said:
It's funny how suddenly a supposed shoulder injury from months ago(August)is now starting to act up again after absolutely no mention of it for some time,and many weeks off. He was moving his arm and shoulder just fine in that match,and I noticed no loss of range of motion. I also fail to believe that a shoulder injury would only affect his serve and nothing else,especially the fh. It's an excuse for his loss is all it is. Just like he used injuries to excuse away his losses in Cinci and at DC.

You've also been talking about the demise of Nadal, and the supremency of Novak. Pick a side and stick with it. Novak looks quite weak at this point, and looks like he'll be easy pickings for WTF folks. Or are you saying this is a total sham, and that Novak will rise like the phoenix in 2 weeks?

Tennis_Maestro · Nov 5, 2011

Okay cut the crap.

He wasn't injured to extent by where which he could not play on, HOWEVER, he was in no cutting shape to compete @ a level good enough to beat a very talented player who has recently been playing the tennis of his life.

You are evidently a Rafa fan and its pathetic that you want to down the current World number 1 just so you can have Nadal up there in shining glory.

This same **** happened between Federer and Nadal and now its happening between Djokovic and Nadal. Fan boy keyboard warriors fighting each other and turning this forum into a very dull place.

Clarky21 · Nov 5, 2011

bullfan said:
Novak looked weak during the tournament with his serve, forehand and backhand. It was definitely Novak 1.0, down to the injury issues. But, at least he manned up and lost a whole match. Of course, if he hadn't, even the press wouldn't be able to call anything other than calling a match he won't win. We'll have to see how he does in 2012..... I doubt he has an ounce in the tank left for 2011.... He looked horrible during Basal, and that was against than top players. Paris and WTF are only going to be harder..... Novak looked horrible and totally tanked the 3rd.

It was mentioned that Novak's serve was back to what he got rid of due to possible shoulder injury...... Seems that thought was correct.....

I simply do not buy it. Is Nadal injured too because he has played far below what he is capable of all year long? How about the way nadal lost the Tokyo final? Was he injured there as well?

I'm tired of the excuses being made to excuse away every missed point from this guy. If his shoulder were really injured he would have struggled to hit any shots,and not just his serve. He even hit a few aces,and didn't look to be struggling at all on the fh or bh when it comes to range of motion. Drama is Cvac's middle name,and once again he brought plenty of it simply because he lost a match. It's as if he cannot lose without having an excuse,and his fans and others simply swallow that garbage without a second thought.

Tennis_Maestro · Nov 5, 2011

^Get real. If you genuinely felt Djokovic was at 100% for that second and third set and actually follow top level tennis all year round, then you really have no common sense at all.

Clarky21 · Nov 5, 2011

bullfan said:
You've also been talking about the demise of Nadal, and the supremency of Novak. Pick a side and stick with it. Novak looks quite weak at this point, and looks like he'll be easy pickings for WTF folks. Or are you saying this is a total sham, and that Novak will rise like the phoenix in 2 weeks?

I never said Nadal was losing due to injury. I do think he is on the decline,and I have made that quite clear. He isn't the same player he once was mentally or physically,and I fail to see what your point is considering I am not the only one who has noticed his decline or talked about it on here.

And yes,I do think he will win the WTF,and his newest act has not changed my opinion on that at all.

Clarky21 · Nov 5, 2011

Tennis_Maestro said:
^Get real. If you genuinely felt Djokovic was at 100% for that second and third set and actually follow top level tennis all year round, then you really have no common sense at all.

I bet you haven't given Nadal the same benefit of the doubt when he has been injured during matches have you?

bullfan · Nov 5, 2011

Clarky21 said:
I simply do not buy it. Is Nadal injured too because he has played far below what he is capable of all year long? How about the way nadal lost the Tokyo final? Was he injured there as well?

I'm tired of the excuses being made to excuse away every missed point from this guy. If his shoulder were really injured he would have struggled to hit any shots,and not just his serve. He even hit a few aces,and didn't look to be struggling at all on the fh or bh when it comes to range of motion. Drama is Cvac's middle name,and one again he brought plenty of it simply because he lost a match. It's as if he cannot lose without having an excuse,and his fans and others simply swallow that garbage without a second thought.

I don't think that Nadal played far beneath his level. He made more finals than ever. Sure, he lost almost all of them, which I still don't understand, since I see him as a better player, but it happened. Much to my chagrin.

Oh, Novak is the ultimate wus as far as I'm concerned, and I've been waiting to see how he plays it since he's been giving the "wah wah wah" and then I win dealeo. I didn't realize that he wussed out during the match today. I only caught the match during the TB, and didn't hear about the whining of Novak until way after the match. Novak is a pansy ass number 1.

I hope Fed, Murray or Nadal takes it from him asap.

Clarky21 · Nov 5, 2011

Tennis_Maestro said:
Okay cut the crap.

He wasn't injured to extent by where which he could not play on, HOWEVER, he was in no cutting shape to compete @ a level good enough to beat a very talented player who has recently been playing the tennis of his life.

You are evidently a Rafa fan and its pathetic that you want to down the current World number 1 just so you can have Nadal up there in shining glory.

This same **** happened between Federer and Nadal and now its happening between Djokovic and Nadal. Fan boy keyboard warriors fighting each other and turning this forum into a very dull place.

Including you,right?

Towser83 · Nov 5, 2011

rafabull said:
That's the problem with you Nole lovers. You think that "there's no way somebody can beat him without him being injured, he the KING" but no, he was not injured. You need your shoulder for more than just the serve in tennis. His backhand forehand and everything but the serve were looking fine today. Just because his stupid coach decided to tweak his service motion again does not mean he's injured. You probably didn't even watch the match so shut up.

LMFAO!!!!!!

The problem with NOLE lovers? This coming from a Nadal fan? How many times has Djokovic had an injury as an excuse for losing? 3 times. If he carries on like this for another 3 years then he'll be able to match Nadal in this department :lol:

For the record I hate excuses, don't think he only lost to Murray cos of injury, and I did think Nadal must have had problems to lose to murray 6-0. But whatever, thanks for one of the funniest posts I've read in ages!

Tennis_Maestro · Nov 5, 2011

bullfan said:
You've also been talking about the demise of Nadal, and the supremency of Novak. Pick a side and stick with it. Novak looks quite weak at this point, and looks like he'll be easy pickings for WTF folks. Or are you saying this is a total sham, and that Novak will rise like the phoenix in 2 weeks?

Demise? Supremacy? Seriously, what World are you living in? Can these posts get any more irrational? Anyone would have thought Nadal had dropped out of the top 100 in the World, yet he's only lost the number 1 spot? He finished runner up in 3 slams and won one. If you think that poster or anyone else is talking about the "demise" of Nadal then you are either seriously irrational with your interpretation or your comprehension are just severely lacking. (Or the idiots who were posting just needed to be ignored)

As for supremacy of Djokovic? Yes he's won 3 slams this season, coupled with a couple of masters and has only lost 4 times and so that deserves a bit of credit, actually it deserves a lot of credit. He's lost one match in a 500 event and you believe his supremacy was over-hyped? Considering the amount of tennis he's played and the record he has this season, which more than surpasses Federer's in 2007 .. I suggest you revaluate my friend. No one suggested Djokovic was the best thing since slice bread, but it has been only fair that he gets compared with the great players of this modern era.

Clarky21 · Nov 5, 2011

bullfan said:
I don't think that Nadal played far beneath his level. He made more finals than ever. Sure, he lost almost all of them, which I still don't understand, since I see him as a better player, but it happened. Much to my chagrin.

Oh, Novak is the ultimate wus as far as I'm concerned, and I've been waiting to see how he plays it since he's been giving the "wah wah wah" and then I win dealeo. I didn't realize that he wussed out during the match today. I only caught the match during the TB, and didn't hear about the whining of Novak until way after the match. Novak is a pansy ass number 1.

I hope Fed, Murray or Nadal takes it from him asap.

Come on,now. He has played miles beneath his level all year long,and his entire game has declined heavily. His serve and Bh are worse than ever,and his movement is not what it once was,either. His FH is all spin with no sting on it,and he simply pushes it and refuses to go for winners/lines. He is hanging so far back that he may as well be a spectator,and his game has gone into pusher/defensive mode. I mean,the dude was so far behind the baseline in his first round match at the USO he actually ran into the wall. How you can say that he isn't playing that far below his level from last year is beyond me.

Completely agreed.

rafabull · Nov 5, 2011

Tennis_Maestro said:
^Get real. If you genuinely felt Djokovic was at 100% for that second and third set and actually follow top level tennis all year round, then you really have no common sense at all.

Idiot. Yes, if he was 100% he would have won. We've seen his 100%. It's good tennis. I've also seen Federer's 100%. And Nadal's. Imagine a world where every tennis player was playing to the complete best of their talent and abilities every day, every match, every point. Every match would be a thriller! Sadly, this is not so. Everyone has an off day. Nadal certainly wasn't playing 100% when he lost to Mayer a few weeks back. But was he injured? No. And neither was Novak today.

Tennis_Maestro · Nov 5, 2011

Clarky21 said:
Including you,right?

No, not right. I have my impartial opinion on who is playing the better tennis ATM and I am no fan boy of either. As an over-all player I feel Djokovic is more talented and is the better tennis player overall however I feel Nadal is unquestionably the better competitor.

I can't believe I am actually getting involved in this immature sprowl, I guess its because I want to try and knock some sense into you kids and get you fools to just enjoy and embrace the tennis and the amazing displays the two players bring to tennis, especially when they meet. Unfortunetly for some this will never happen, they NEED a player to use as their mantel piece trophy and say "YES I AM A SUPPORTER".

Towser83 · Nov 5, 2011

bullfan said:
I don't think that Nadal played far beneath his level. He made more finals than ever. Sure, he lost almost all of them, which I still don't understand, since I see him as a better player, but it happened. Much to my chagrin.

Oh, Novak is the ultimate wus as far as I'm concerned, and I've been waiting to see how he plays it since he's been giving the "wah wah wah" and then I win dealeo. I didn't realize that he wussed out during the match today. I only caught the match during the TB, and didn't hear about the whining of Novak until way after the match. Novak is a pansy ass number 1.

I hope Fed, Murray or Nadal takes it from him asap.

As opposed to pansy assed Nadal and his whining after losing? Nadal has wussed out quite a few times too, twiced lost a 6-0 final set to Murray in a final. :lol:

rafabull · Nov 5, 2011

Towser83 said:
LMFAO!!!!!!

The problem with NOLE lovers? This coming from a Nadal fan? How many times has Djokovic had an injury as an excuse for losing? 3 times. If he carries on like this for another 3 years then he'll be able to match Nadal in this department :lol:

For the record I hate excuses, don't think he only lost to Murray cos of injury, and I did think Nadal must have had problems to lose to murray 6-0. But whatever, thanks for one of the funniest posts I've read in ages!

Typical. You can't truly argue with any of my statements so you decide to compare your hero with Nadal and bash him. Pathetic.

Tennis_Maestro · Nov 5, 2011

rafabull said:
Idiot. Yes, if he was 100% he would have won. We've seen his 100%. It's good tennis. I've also seen Federer's 100%. And Nadal's. Imagine a world where every tennis player was playing to the complete best of their talent and abilities every day, every match, every point. Every match would be a thriller! Sadly, this is not so. Everyone has an off day. Nadal certainly wasn't playing 100% when he lost to Mayer a few weeks back. But was he injured? No. And neither was Novak today.

Way to go in misinterpreting my post.

I don't know whether you did that intentionally? Or unintentionally because you lack English comprehension skills. (Or just basic common sense)

When I say 100% .. I don't mean ... 100% at the top of their game ... stop assuming I am going down that old clichéd route. I am talking about "fitness" was Djokovic 100% fit? NO. If you deep down believe he wasn't being "hindered" in the LEVEL of his performance by his shoulder, then, as I said before, you are completely void of any common sense. In and around after the moment the shoulder injury occurred and he scrunched his face .. he through in double faults.

Who's the idiot now?

Clarky21 · Nov 5, 2011

rafabull said:
Typical. You can't truly argue with any of my statements so you decide to compare your hero with Nadal and bash him. Pathetic.

Exactly. And I have never seen Nadal quit a match because he was too hot(at a slam Cvac was defending,btw)or because he had a sore throat. Cvac has also retired at 3 out 4 of the slams,and has quit many more matches outside of the slams as well.

Tennis_Maestro · Nov 5, 2011

@ Fullofbull - I'm sure Nadal would be ashamed to have a fan like you, in all honesty.

Tammo · Nov 5, 2011

rafabull said:
Yes. If he was "injured" why would he even come into this tournament? He proven how tournaments that aren't slams mean little to him. He thought with how crappily he's been playing, that maybe he would still be able to win the tournament, but sadly for him he actually came up against a decent player. I'm surprised that he didn't just retire in that third set since he was already making excuses.

So you think Djokovic came to the tourney uninjured, and played 100% against guys like Malisse, and almost losing?

Cool story bro

rafabull · Nov 5, 2011

Tammo said:
So you think Djokovic came to the tourney uninjured, and played 100% against guys like Malisse, and almost losing?

Cool story bro

Thanks, it's non-fiction

Tammo · Nov 5, 2011

rafabull said:
Thanks, it's non-fiction

In your sad world yes...

rafabull · Nov 5, 2011

Tammo said:
In your sad world yes...

In your sugar coated world where Novak is unable to lose a point without being close to death, no.

Towser83 · Nov 5, 2011

rafabull said:
Typical. You can't truly argue with any of my statements so you decide to compare your hero with Nadal and bash him. Pathetic.

You're the one who started bashing first and what I said is true. You're a Nadal fan so you're the last person who should be criticising Nole fans for stating he can't be beaten unless injured since

a- he's only had this reputation since this year (more specifically since Cinci a few months ago)

b- Nadal has had this reputation for several years. There's a whole list of matches Nadal lost that are blamed on injury. Novak has THREE.

As I've said, I don't like all the losses being put down to injury - I don't put the loss in Cinci down to it at all, but you're living in a glass house and throwing stones. How can you not get that?

Btw, he's not my "hero" he's a player I like, and I like several players. And I dealt with your statements which were ridiculous since the case of Djoko fans not being able to not blame losses on injuries is an occurence so in it's infancy it's not really an issue yet (especially compared to Nadal's fans doing the same thing over a much longer time scale)

Clarky21 said:
Exactly. And I have never seen Nadal quit a match because he was too hot(at a slam Cvac was defending,btw)or because he had a sore throat. Cvac has also retired at 3 out 4 of the slams,and has quit many more matches outside of the slams as well.

That's a different issue from what I'm talking about, trust you to pick a totally different argument. Who has quit more and for more stupid reason? Novak of course. However who has had more losses BLAMED ON INJURY (In other words player would have won if not for injury)? Nadal.

When Novak retired he got made fun of, no-one said "he only lost cos he was injured" not until this year - a massive three times. With Nadal though, every injury and retirement made him more of a hero "Oh he'd have won if he wasn't injured" In the cases of both players it's CRAP. But Nadal has dealt in it far longer than Nole has (and for the people who can't comprehend, i'm not talking about just retirements I'm talking about them being used as the only reason someone lost - until this year Novak wasn't successful enough for him to be expected to win everything barring injury, Nadal on the other hand has had this "can only be beaten when injured" status for at least 3 years)

So saying Nole fans can't accept he can lose without an injury is ridiculous because at most you have 3 cases of that, and on the other hand with Nadal fans blaming injuries you have many, many more. Sorry it's quite plain and simple.

Tammo · Nov 5, 2011

Well, IMO Djokovic's loss is a lot like Nadal's loss to Ferrer at the AO. So I could say Nadal wasn't injured.

bullfan · Nov 5, 2011

Towser83 said:
You're the one who started bashing first and what I said is true. You're a Nadal fan so you're the last person who should be criticising Nole fans for stating he can't be beaten unless injured since

a- he's only had this reputation since this year (more specifically since Cinci a few months ago)

b- Nadal has had this reputation for several years. There's a whole list of matches Nadal lost that are blamed on injury. Novak has THREE.

As I've said, I don't like all the losses being put down to injury - I don't put the loss in Cinci down to it at all, but you're living in a glass house and throwing stones. How can you not get that?

Btw, he's not my "hero" he's a player I like, and I like several players. And I dealt with your statements which were ridiculous since the case of Djoko fans not being able to not blame losses on injuries is an occurence so in it's infancy it's not really an issue yet (especially compared to Nadal's fans doing the same thing over a much longer time scale)

That's a different issue from what I'm talking about, trust you to pick a totally different argument. Who has quit more and for more stupid reason? Novak of course. However who has had more losses BLAMED ON INJURY (In other words player would have won if not for injury)? Nadal.

When Novak retired he got made fun of, no-one said "he only lost cos he was injured" not until this year - a massive three times. With Nadal though, every injury and retirement made him more of a hero "Oh he'd have won if he wasn't injured" In the cases of both players it's CRAP. But Nadal has dealt in it far longer than Nole has (and for the people who can't comprehend, i'm not talking about just retirements I'm talking about them being used as the only reason someone lost - until this year Novak wasn't successful enough for him to be expected to win everything barring injury, Nadal on the other hand has had this "can only be beaten when injured" status for at least 3 years)

So saying Nole fans can't accept he can lose without an injury is ridiculous because at most you have 3 cases of that, and on the other hand with Nadal fans blaming injuries you have many, many more. Sorry it's quite plain and simple.

LOL!! No one has retired more than Novak especially as numero uno....

rafabull · Nov 5, 2011

Towser83,
Dude, why do you always have to compare Nadal? I never even brought him up. Just because I'm a Nadal fan doesn't mean I'm like all the others. I don't think that the only way he can be beaten is if he's injured, I even said so in a previous post. Every time some one accuses Novak of something you have to come back with "Well Nadal did __________". It's getting old. If you disagree with me then fine. If you have nothing to say back that's even sensible, then don't say anything. Next time you know Novak has done something wrong don't compare him with Nadal, it's getting really old.

RF_fan · Nov 5, 2011

I didn't see the match so can't tell if Novak looked injured or not. If he wasn't 100% physically then why even play in Basel? And then losing 3rd set 6:0 would seem like there was an injury, so it's possible to aggravate a previous shoulder injury during a match.

Clarky21 · Nov 5, 2011

Tammo said:
Well, IMO Djokovic's loss is a lot like Nadal's loss to Ferrer at the AO. So I could say Nadal wasn't injured.

No it isn't. Nadal was injured from the getgo,and never won the first set in a dominating 6-2 fashion,and lost meekly. Cvac,otoh,was close to winning the match in straights,and would have if Kei had decided to roll over for him.

Towser83 · Nov 5, 2011

bullfan said:
LOL!! No one has retired more than Novak especially as numero uno....

Well done, your post has nothing to do with any of my points. Guess what? Nadal has never won Miami! What has that got to do with this? Nothing, but neither has your post.

Some of you guys are not giving Nadal fans a great reputation for being intelligent, thank God for posters like MichaelNadal, even an anti Federer poster like NadalAgassi is a genius compared to some of you. You really can't read something, understand it and post back an intelligent reply.

By the way, he's retired twice as numero uno... do you have proof no number one has ever retired more than once?

rafabull · Nov 5, 2011

Tennis_Maestro said:
I would respond to this dumb, irrational post, but there's no point, you lost the debate (I prefer to call it debate even though you are clearly pushing for an argument and think its an argument) the moment you implied Novak was for some bizare reason acting.

Why would Djokovic act? He won the first set COMPREHENSIVELY. He picked up his shoulder injury and the replays CLEARLY showed him hurting and touching it with anguish on his face .. is it sheer coincidence that following that moment he began to lose rallies and make double faults? No.

I think you know this to be the truth but you want to gain brownie points over your "arch enemies" on this forum. Word of advice, leave the bickering and enjoy the top professionals of the game, you are wasting your time having stupid schoolboy arugments. Its classic "my dads bigger than yours" Who cares if people diss Nadal and critisicise him for pulling out injured or people who can't see / don't admit Nadal was partially injured and the cause of some losses he might have had. WHO CARES? Why do you care? If people want to diss a player, why stoop to that level. The way some people go on on these forums, its as if they're fighting for bloody human rights. You lot show more passion and emotion over these players than the Libyan rioters have over the past year. lol

Don't be a hypocrite bro.

Tammo · Nov 5, 2011

Clarky21 said:
No it isn't. Nadal was injured from the getgo,and never won the first set in a dominating 6-2 fashion,and lost meekly. Cvac,otoh,was close to winning the match in straights,and would have if Kei had decided to roll over for him.

So you think Cvac was injury free in the Malisse match, but for the first set of the Nishikori match he was fine, then he got injury at the end of the second set? Djokovic must have had an injury before the tournament began, or else he wouldn't have lost a set, and almost the match, to a guy he would normally crush.

Towser83 · Nov 5, 2011

rafabull said:
Towser83,
Dude, why do you always have to compare Nadal? I never even brought him up. Just because I'm a Nadal fan doesn't mean I'm like all the others. I don't think that the only way he can be beaten is if he's injured, I even said so in a previous post. Every time some one accuses Novak of something you have to come back with "Well Nadal did __________". It's getting old. If you disagree with me then fine. If you have nothing to say back that's even sensible, then don't say anything. Next time you know Novak has done something wrong don't compare him with Nadal, it's getting really old.

Well I don't think Djokovic can only be beaten if he's injured. Here's the thing.

You might very well be sensible enough to not subscribe to the "Nadal can't be beaten unless injured" way of thinking, but plenty of fans DO think like that. You were talking about FANS, so to say this about Novak fans is a bit hypocritical since you know there are Nadal fans like this too, and who've been at it for a lot longer. It also seemed ridiculous because it's such a recent trend, how can you even say "the problem with Djokovic fans is.." after like a couple of times? Jumping the gun a bit I think. If this happens with Djokovic for years like it's been with Nadal then God help us.. but the point is you weren't talking about you or me personally but "fans" and you know Nadal fans act in the way you have a go at Djokovic fans for, even if you don't personally. What can I say, it was ironic, it made me laugh :lol:

But fair enough, you don't want things being related to Nadal, however the irony was too tempting.

rafabull · Nov 5, 2011

Tammo said:
So you think Cvac was injury free in the Malisse match, but for the first set of the Nishikori match he was fine, then he got injury at the end of the second set? Djokovic must have had an injury before the tournament began, or else he wouldn't have lost a set, and almost the match, to a guy he would normally crush.

I think you just need to face the simple fact Novak has had a bad week.

Tennis_Maestro · Nov 5, 2011

rafabull said:
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Dude, why do you always have to compare Nadal? I never even brought him up. Just because I'm a Nadal fan doesn't mean I'm like all the others. I don't think that the only way he can be beaten is if he's injured, I even said so in a previous post. Every time some one accuses Novak of something you have to come back with "Well Nadal did __________". It's getting old. If you disagree with me then fine. If you have nothing to say back that's useful, then don't say anything. Next time you know Novak has done something wrong don't compare him with Nadal, it's getting really old.

LOL

First of all its obvious you are attacking Djokovic and claiming he has done something wrong because you are a Nadal fan. Its a classic case of a fanboy holding a low self esteem for their player. (If that makes sense?)

I can guarantee you would not be having a stab at Djokovic here if you weren't a Nadal fan fanatic.

Second of all, Djokovic did nothing wrong, you claiming he did, doesn't mean he did, he got injured, inflammation of the shoulder muscle, brought the physiotherapist on and opted to continue.

How DO YOU KNOW, he didn't simply out of respect for the fans and crowd that came along decide against retiring and opted for finishing the match? You don't, do you?

You are using the SIMPLE LOGIC that if he was injured he would have retired. It is not uncommon for player's to continue playing even when injured and there are somany classic examples I can give you.

Thirdly, it is becoming old because it is simply a response to what is also becoming old in that Nadal enthusiasts like to take "cheap" digs at Djokovic. Yes, "cheap digs". The Djokovic fans do this as well, don't get me wrong and this **** used to always happen on here between Federer and Nadal fans .. they used to call them *******s and *******s .. its almost pantomime **** and I want to cringe every time a worthless discussion thread like this comes about. Its actually a major reason in why I post here less often now a days. Embrace the game mate, rivalry between fans can be fun and healthy for interest levels but when it gets to school playground levels like this, you know its time to take a back seat and re-evaluate actually what the fk you are doing.

Clarky21 · Nov 5, 2011

Tammo said:
So you think Cvac was injury free in the Malisse match, but for the first set of the Nishikori match he was fine, then he got injury at the end of the second set? Djokovic must have had an injury before the tournament began, or else he wouldn't have lost a set, and almost the match, to a guy he would normally crush.

Ok,do you think Nadal played well at Cinci this year? How about when he lost in Montreal? Was he injured then? The same bs excuses could be made to explain away Nadal's lousy form/play this year as well. Cvac lost,and it was not due to injury. He just plain lost.

Tammo · Nov 5, 2011

rafabull said:
I think you just need to face the simple fact Novak has had a bad week.

I do think Novak has had a bad injury due to injury. I'm willing to accept that, but there is no reason to say Novak played his best and almost lost to Malisse.

Tennis_Maestro · Nov 5, 2011

On TT we have Fed fans, Nadal fans, Djoker fans, and Nadal haters..

The signature mate. LOL

Further proof you feel your guy is being victimised and you therefore need to balance out the "hate" between the top players .. by creating some hate for another top player.

This is why I bring Nadal into this.

rafabull · Nov 5, 2011

Towser83 said:
Well I don't think Djokovic can only be beaten if he's injured. Here's the thing.

You might very well be sensible enough to not subscribe to the "Nadal can't be beaten unless injured" way of thinking, but plenty of fans DO think like that. You were talking about FANS, so to say this about Novak fans is a bit hypocritical since you know there are Nadal fans like this too, and who've been at it for a lot longer. It also seemed ridiculous because it's such a recent trend, how can you even say "the problem with Djokovic fans is.." after like a couple of times? Jumping the gun a bit I think. If this happens with Djokovic for years like it's been with Nadal then God help us.. but the point is you weren't talking about you or me personally but "fans" and you know Nadal fans act in the way you have a go at Djokovic fans for, even if you don't personally. What can I say, it was ironic, it made me laugh :lol:

But fair enough, you don't want things being related to Nadal, however the irony was too tempting.

What? Do you just sit in a dark room dissecting every aspect of my post until you find something you can use against me? I could care less what other Nadal fans are saying. I wasn't even talking about them. Do you think that I am "on a team" with some of these guys? Do you think that whatever I say about Djokovic fans I should leave a caption: (Nadal fans do not do this)? Again with you comparing Nadal and Djokovic when you have nothing better to say.

Clarky21 · Nov 5, 2011

Tammo said:
I do think Novak has had a bad injury due to injury. I'm willing to accept that, but there is no reason to say Novak played his best and almost lost to Malisse.

Why not? There were people on here who actually believed Nadal played his best when he lost to Mayer in Shanghai.

And I don't think Cvac played his best today. I was just making a point.

rafabull · Nov 5, 2011

Tennis_Maestro said:
LOL

First of all its obvious you are attacking Djokovic and claiming he has done something wrong because you are a Nadal fan. Its a classic case of a fanboy holding a low self esteem for their player. (If that makes sense?)

I can guarantee you would not be having a stab at Djokovic here if you weren't a Nadal fan fanatic.

Second of all, Djokovic did nothing wrong, you claiming he did, doesn't mean he did, he got injured, inflammation of the shoulder muscle, brought the physiotherapist on and opted to continue.

How DO YOU KNOW, he didn't simply out of respect for the fans and crowd that came along decide against retiring and opted for finishing the match? You don't, do you?

You are using the SIMPLE LOGIC that if he was injured he would have retired. It is not uncommon for player's to continue playing even when injured and there are somany classic examples I can give you.

Thirdly, it is becoming old because it is simply a response to what is also becoming old in that Nadal enthusiasts like to take "cheap" digs at Djokovic. Yes, "cheap digs". The Djokovic fans do this as well, don't get me wrong and this **** used to always happen on here between Federer and Nadal fans .. they used to call them *******s and *******s .. its almost pantomime **** and I want to cringe every time a worthless discussion thread like this comes about. Its actually a major reason in why I post here less often now a days. Embrace the game mate, rivalry between fans can be fun and healthy for interest levels but when it gets to school playground levels like this, you know its time to take a back seat and re-evaluate actually what the fk you are doing.

To be honest, I didn't even read this entire post because my post that you quoted wasn't even directed towards you idiot.

Tennis_Maestro · Nov 5, 2011

No ones talking about you being on a team, but it is very likely that you are "attacking djokovic" because you feel aggrieved at people "attacking nadal".

Lets be real, Nadal has lost to Djokovic on many occasions this season and I'm sure you've a lot of attacking from Djokovic followers. Amirite?

Djokovic wasn't injured

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