I was wondering this same thing myself.
I figured I had procrastinated long enough in putting Djokovic on my all-time list.
So right now he has 5 majors total, plus I have to factor in that triple from last year.
Can he keep it up? Right now, he looks unstoppable (except for his own injuries).
Interesting that Trabert who also has five, also had a triple.
All good points.It's odd how Djokovic has seemingly done so much in such a short time, relative to Edberg, Becker and Wilander.
Wilander's first GS title was in 1982, last in 1988, with a total of 7 over seven years, and his 3 in one year were his last.
Edberg's first GS title was in 1985, last in 1992, for a total of 6 over eight years.
Becker's first GS title was in 1985, last in 1996, for a total of 6 over eleven years.
Djokovic doesn't look like he's done winning majors yet, so if he's not in the tier with these three yet, I have little doubt he will be.
You could also easily argue Novak is more consistent than any of them.
What do you think?
What do you think?
Weeks at number 1:
Edberg 72
Djokovic 32
Wilander 20
Becker 12
Becker won 6 GS, Edberg also...Djokovic remains still lower ( and not considering how weak is Djokovic era¡¡¡)
He is no better than Vilas.
another clueless statement from the clueless kiki ...
Djokovic >>>>> Vilas
Djoker's era is weak ???????? LOL, that's as much as a joke as Vilas's draws to win the AOs were !!!! ha ha .....
Vilas had one "legit" GS win, in a full field ....USO in 77 ....... FO 77 win was only because borg didn't play ..... And of course Vilas' AO wins were against joke, weakened fields ....
Djoker has beaten either/both of federer/nadal in his GS wins ......5 of them, all against full fields .......
Vilas was never No. 1. Not even for only one week.Vilas...
another clueless statement from the clueless kiki ...
Djokovic >>>>> Vilas
Djoker's era is weak ???????? LOL, that's as much as a joke as Vilas's draws to win the AOs were !!!! ha ha .....
Vilas had one "legit" GS win, in a full field ....USO in 77 ....... FO 77 win was only because borg didn't play ..... And of course Vilas' AO wins were against joke, weakened fields ....
Djoker has beaten either/both of federer/nadal in his GS wins ......5 of them, all against full fields .......
Vilas was never No. 1. Not even for only one week.
For once we agree on something. Vilas is basically a 1 slam winner really. One could argue Djokovic was a better player even before 2011 began. Now he is in a whole other planet from Vilas.
It's possible to say anything, but Vilas was never No. 1ATP ranking was absurd at this period : the number one in 1977 was Connors, who didn't win a Grand Slam !
In 1977, Tennis Magazine (France) ranked Borg #1. Lance Tingay of the London Daily Telegraph and Rino Tommasi of Rome's Tennis Club magazine also rated Borg first. ATP awarded Borg "Player of The Year". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World-number-one_male_tennis-player_rankingsEveryone knows that in 1977, Vilas was the world champion, like said the magazine World Tennis
another clueless statement from the clueless kiki ...
Djokovic >>>>> Vilas
Djoker's era is weak ???????? LOL, that's as much as a joke as Vilas's draws to win the AOs were !!!! ha ha .....
Vilas had one "legit" GS win, in a full field ....USO in 77 ....... FO 77 win was only because borg didn't play ..... And of course Vilas' AO wins were against joke, weakened fields ....
Djoker has beaten either/both of federer/nadal in his GS wins ......5 of them, all against full fields .......
Vilas is more more more charismatic than Djoko, Vilas is a legend, and he's better too. He won on clay and on grass, he won 62 tournaments, he makes incredible records in 1977 : tournaments won in one year (14), and matches won consecutively (46). I think that saying "because borg didn't play" is absurd : who knows ? + that's not Vilas's problem.
About AO, a lot of people say that Vilas wins are not great victories, beacause he didn't beat top ten players, and especially Borg or Connors. I think it's absurd too. First, AO is a Grand Slam, you have to win several matches in 5 sets, so it's a great tournament. Second, it's not Vilas's problem if Borg and Connors prefered staying with their families for Christmus, while Vilas trained 7 hours/day on australian grass with only Ion Tiriac. And third, Vilas beated in AO great grass players of this era, like McNamara, Chris Lewis (Wimbledon finalist), Amaya ... And in 1978, it's not his fault if Marks beated Ashe in semi-final (it's sure that Vilas-Ashe would be a greater final than Vilas-Marks). And, last point, on january 75, in the Masters, on australian grass, Vilas beated Borg, Nastase and Newcombe !!
For once we agree on something. Vilas is basically a 1 slam winner really. One could argue Djokovic was a better player even before 2011 began. Now he is in a whole other planet from Vilas.
... and you can see here that Vilas's volley is much better than Djoko's volley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjXvN1p79Gc
Ok, I know Marks was totally unknown. But he did a great tournament, played a fantastic tennis, and beated Arthur Ashe in semi-final after saving a match point. He was like Verkerk, Lewis, Pecci ... One tournament players.
It's possible to say anything, but Vilas was never No. 1
In 1977, Tennis Magazine (France) ranked Borg #1. Lance Tingay of the London Daily Telegraph and Rino Tommasi of Rome's Tennis Club magazine also rated Borg first. ATP awarded Borg "Player of The Year". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World-number-one_male_tennis-player_rankings
Can you find one reliable source which claims that Vilas was undisputed No. 1? There many reliable sources which claim that Djokovic is undisputed No. 1 http://www.anywhere.me/gresult?source=0&client=haringey&q=djokovic undisputed 2011&page=1Yes, and french Tennis Magazine received a lot of letters from their readers who didn't understand this ranking. For World Tennis (which was the reference at this era), Tennis de France, Le livre d'or du tennis, Eugene L. Scott (Gros plans sur le tennis), Michel Sutter ... Vilas was n°1. And ATP should recognize today the "mistake".
Vilas won 2 of the 3 majors, reached the final of the 4 th and the semis of the 5 th (Masters).results wise, he deserved the nº 1 spot.
It´s like 1989, with Becker winning 2 of the big 3 ( and being sf at the third, the FO) and yet, Lendl, who didn´t win a major, ended up ranked nº 1.
In any case, Vilas played more years than 1977...
He was always a factor, from 1974-1979 in any GS, except Wimbly...played several times the USO sf and FO sf, was beaten in 2 FO finals by his nemesis Bjorn Borg, who also defeated him at the 1976 WCT Finals, after Vilas beat the swede, 2 years early, at the Kooyong´s Masters.
Vilas never did well enough at Wimbledon, but he didn´t have the talent to adjust to ultra fast London´s grass, while he had a month or so to prepare for Australian Open´s Grass...
from 1979 to 1983, Vilas was not one of the favourites to win a slam title, but I remember seeing him play extremely well in the first half of 1982 ( FO finalist, USo and Masters SF, winner of 4 or 5 TMS, beating handiliy Connors,Lendl in venues like Milan,Rotterdam,Madrid and Montecarlo)
all in all, one of the best representatives of the golden era.
You are so clueless about Vilas...well, 2 more years of Djokovic vs Nadal, and tennis will sound as exciting as a FISHING contest...jajajajaja
oh then enlighten me, oh wise one , which part did I get wrong about Vilas' GS victories ......
The joke AO fields or borg missing the FO ?
LMAO !
Face it , djoker >>>>>> vilas .....only in your la la land of nostalgia, Vilas is even close to Djoker , not the land of reality ...
... and more important, during Vilas playing years he had to face: Connors,Borg,Mc Enroe,Newcombe,Gerulaitis,Nastase,Orantes,Panatta,Laver,Ashe,Smith,Kodes,Rosewall,Lendl,Tanner and a few ones...
Djokovic rivals other than Nadal and Fed, just suck, they never even dreamed of winning something bigger than a Masters Series.Weakest competitive era since Tilden and the 4 Mousketeers...
What drugs do you take, young babies, to endure a Djokovic vs Nadal match? Any suggestion?
Vilas is more more more charismatic than Djoko, Vilas is a legend, and he's better too. He won on clay and on grass, he won 62 tournaments, he makes incredible records in 1977 : tournaments won in one year (14), and matches won consecutively (46). I think that saying "because borg didn't play" is absurd : who knows ? + that's not Vilas's problem.
About AO, a lot of people say that Vilas wins are not great victories, beacause he didn't beat top ten players, and especially Borg or Connors. I think it's absurd too. First, AO is a Grand Slam, you have to win several matches in 5 sets, so it's a great tournament. Second, it's not Vilas's problem if Borg and Connors prefered staying with their families for Christmus, while Vilas trained 7 hours/day on australian grass with only Ion Tiriac. And third, Vilas beated in AO great grass players of this era, like McNamara, Chris Lewis (Wimbledon finalist), Amaya ... And in 1978, it's not his fault if Marks beated Ashe in semi-final (it's sure that Vilas-Ashe would be a greater final than Vilas-Marks). And, last point, on january 75, in the Masters, on australian grass, Vilas beated Borg, Nastase and Newcombe !!
I don't ....... I have after all watched the clay court matches like Vilas-Borg FO final in 78.....Have you ? :twisted:
I decided after that pitful Wimbledon final of last year to rechannel batteries and wait for a better future.
You mean you have actually watched a match in the modern times ? :shock:
The present is still better than those borefests on clay in the 70s ( of which Vilas was a big part ) .....I would prefer to see some more aggression and all court tennis, but Nadal-Djoker is million times better those borefests on clay .....
Funny how you mention Djoker being 'boring', in a thread comparing him with Vilas !
I won´argue with you sice, obviously, our taste and criteria is completely opposed...and I won´t even try to explain to you why Vilas had a very nice craftmanship.I saw him live lots of times and you obviously never have, so I thing it is a lose of time to even start with it.
LOL, wut ???? I have seen quite a few of Vilas' matches .....
So 30-40 shot rallies of players looping the ball over the net ( ala Borg-Vilas ) is exciting tennis ?? :lol:
Atleast nadal-djoker try to make each other move side to side, create angles and try to get an opening to finish the point. Those clay court matches in the 70s , involving Vilas, on the other hand were just about patience, about who blinked first ....
Its not taste at all ..... Its about your hypocrisy/nostalgia-blindness .......I'd understand if you mention mcenroe/connors/becker as more exciting than djoker playing style wise, but Vilas ???? You cannot be serious ...
Like I said, Nadal-Djoker isn't what I prefer or my first choice , I'd rather see more offense and all-court play ala Federer, Edberg, Sampras, Mac ..... Atleast Djoker is capable of more offense, as he showed in 2007-08 .... Now with surfaces having slowed down even more, he is playing more defense as that is the best way to go and he is capable of it ..... But to glorify Vilas ( his boring play, atleast on clay ) and then say Nadal-Djoker is boring is the heights !!!!!!!
Vilas was not a fav of mine but he certainly moved into the net twice or three times ( maybe, even more) the total combined of Djoker and Nadal... and, as you say, he was a classical clay court groundstroke player'''.
If the boring player of the golden era is more appealing than the top 2 players of nowadays...well. maybe I am the only one in this forum to see it but TENNIS, WE HAVE A PROBLEM
LOL, wut ???? I have seen quite a few of Vilas' matches .....
So 30-40 shot rallies of players looping the ball over the net ( ala Borg-Vilas ) is exciting tennis ?? :lol:
Atleast nadal-djoker try to make each other move side to side, create angles and try to get an opening to finish the point. Those clay court matches in the 70s , involving Vilas, on the other hand were just about patience, about who blinked first ....
Its not taste at all ..... Its about your hypocrisy/nostalgia-blindness .......I'd understand if you mention mcenroe/connors/becker as more exciting than djoker playing style wise, but Vilas ???? You cannot be serious ...
Like I said, Nadal-Djoker isn't what I prefer or my first choice , I'd rather see more offense and all-court play ala Federer, Edberg, Sampras, Mac ..... Atleast Djoker is capable of more offense, as he showed in 2007-08 .... Now with surfaces having slowed down even more, he is playing more defense as that is the best way to go and he is capable of it ..... But to glorify Vilas ( his boring play, atleast on clay ) and then say Nadal-Djoker is boring is the heights !!!!!!!