Murray: "not playing my best tennis I could still win against him" (Djokovic)

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Wow, is this a whole new cocky Andy Murray? Gotta like it. He just dismantled the world's #1 player quite easily. The 2nd set was not as close as the score indicates. Sure this was only an ATP500 but surely it bodes well for Murray after taking djoker to 5 sets at AO. With both Murray and Djoker stepping it up now, could this be the end of Nadal?
 
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murray has yet to play a decent match against either federer or nadal at a slam. if he does we can talk -.-
 
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Agassifan said:
weak comeback. You got owned
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batz said:
Come on now... no you didn't.:) There has after all only been one slam since "new Murray".
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bollocks. i was watching those matches where murray beat nadal. but yeah it makes sense that you know better what i meant than i do.

and new murray for me is not just since hes teamed up with ivan. murrays pretty much been at this point since the start of the 2011 clay swing. that was the first time he really impressed me on clay and it was no coincidence that he was the only one besides federer who had djokovic at the edge of defeat during the first 3/4 of the season. yet he kept losing out to nadal in slam semis even worse than federer would.

this season is still young. and hes shown promise in his AO SF against djoker. but for the OP to take this as a basis of asking if that might be "the end of nadal" he would have to deliver against nadal (and/or federer) at the slam stage as well.
 
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Lendl really has improved Murray's game bothe physically and mentally. I think Murray will take IW next week.
 
batz

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purge said:
bollocks. i was watching those matches where murray beat nadal. but yeah it makes sense that you know better what i meant than i do.

and new murray for me is not just since hes teamed up with ivan. murrays pretty much been at this point since the start of the 2011 clay swing. that was the first time he really impressed me on clay and it was no coincidence that he was the only one besides federer who had djokovic at the edge of defeat during the first 3/4 of the season. yet he kept losing out to nadal in slam semis even worse than federer would.

this season is still young. and hes shown promise in his AO SF against djoker. but for the OP to take this as a basis of asking if that might be "the end of nadal" he would have to deliver against nadal (and/or federer) at the slam stage as well.
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Fair enough - that's not what you said though. You could have said 'We can talk after he beats someone from the top 3 in a slam again' or even 'we can talk when he wins a slam' neither of which are unreasonable positions. You could also have qualified that you were talking about a specific time period. But you didn't.
 
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purge said:
and new murray for me is not just since hes teamed up with ivan. murrays pretty much been at this point since the start of the 2011 clay swing. that was the first time he really impressed me on clay and it was no coincidence that he was the only one besides federer who had djokovic at the edge of defeat during the first 3/4 of the season. yet he kept losing out to nadal in slam semis even worse than federer would.
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Nadal was 2 points away from beating Djokovic in the 2011 Miami final. I'm simply amazed at the numbers of people who think Djokovic vs. Nadal is as one-sided as Lendl vs. Gilbert.
 
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batz said:
Fair enough - that's not what you said though. You could have said 'We can talk after he beats someone from the top 3 in a slam again' or even 'we can talk when he wins a slam' neither of which are unreasonable positions. You could also have qualified that you were talking about a specific time period. But you didn't.
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is that supposed to be some sort of narrow eyed nitpicking? its common knowledge that murray has beaten nadal at slams in the past. how is it not obvious i wasnt talking about past events here? this thread is all about future prognosis.

thats as if id say "so long as fed cant get past nadal at a slam he wont be able to reclaim the #1 ranking" and you say "dude, hes beaten nadal twice at a slam. your point?"
well, duh.. i know he has. what does that matter now?
 
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Mustard said:
Nadal was 2 points away from beating Djokovic in the 2011 Miami final. I'm simply amazed at the numbers of people who think Djokovic vs. Nadal is as one-sided as Lendl vs. Gilbert.
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the difference here is that murray was actually serving for it. and at least to me novak looked like he was going to win all along towards the end of that 3rd set of the miami final vs nadal
 
PollyBallGirl

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Wow so now in the semis of events we got murray who can beat djokovic AND federer who can beat djokovic. So that means rafael nadalogram wins every masters and slam for rest of the year!
 
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purge said:
is that supposed to be some sort of narrow eyed nitpicking? its common knowledge that murray has beaten nadal at slams in the past. how is it not obvious i wasnt talking about past events here? this thread is all about future prognosis.
thats as if id say "so long as fed cant get past nadal at a slam he wont be able to reclaim the #1 ranking" and you say "dude, hes beaten nadal twice at a slam. your point?"
well, duh.. i know he has. what does that matter now?
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Chillout mate. You said something that wasn't what you meant - we've all done it.

PS you say you're not talking about past events yet you have previously said you are talking about the period since last year's clay season. Just saying.
 
Deuces Wild

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Mark my words. Murray will win Wimbledon and the USO.

If he doesn't, it doesn't matter because this is an internet forum and nobody knows who I am anyway.
 
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It would be really nice to see a Federer Murray final, and then later a Murray Novak final for sure. Murray has failed against Federer many times in slams, would be nice to see some pay back for all of Federer's trash talking to and about Murray.:)
 
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batz said:
Chillout mate. You said something that wasn't what you meant - we've all done it.

PS you say you're not talking about past events yet you have previously said you are talking about the period since last year's clay season. Just saying.
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its all good. im not trying to attack you personally. its just that way too often on here people just seem to be so eager to to try and pick statements apart with misleading smarta$$y just fo the sake of it, even if it should be perfectly obvious what was meant. and all that serves is to blow up topics with needless back-and.forth trash talking sintead of discussing the actual point.

PS in my very first post, the one that was being picked apart, i was indeed talking about the future. not the past. that only started because i had to explain something that should have been clear in the first place. but whatever.. back to topic -.-
 
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batz said:
Made me LOLz :)

10 slamless Murryas
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;)

I meant it though, I had a feeling about him after watching him @AO, Wimbledon is the best place he could win a Major. It would make for such a good story though, Lendl's pupil managing to do what the Terminator alone couldn't achieve.
 
PollyBallGirl

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Slam finals are pretty nervous so i can see why people say he won't win one. It get so nervous when you lost in others and then you go to a new one. But people said same happened to lendl so anythings possible. Lendl is my favorite coach and i would get lessons from him if i had the dough.
 
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purge said:
its all good. im not trying to attack you personally. its just that way too often on here people just seem to be so eager to to try and pick statements apart with misleading smarta$$y just fo the sake of it, even if it should be perfectly obvious what was meant. and all that serves is to blow up topics with needless back-and.forth trash talking sintead of discussion the actual point.

PS in my very first post, the one that was being picked apart, i was indeed talking about the future. not the past. that only started because i had to explain something that should have been clear in the first place. but whatever.. back to topic -.-
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No worries mate - as you say - it's all good.
 
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PollyBallGirl said:
Slam finals are pretty nervous so i can see why people say he won't win one. It get so nervous when you lost in others and then you go to a new one. But people said same happened to lendl so anythings possible.
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Exactly. But Lendl knows how Murray feels - and probably knows how to overcome such barriers. This is why I think they could make a great team.
 
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Seems kind of silly. Obviously Djoker wasn't at his best. It's important to note that Murray was serving much much better than he usually does, maybe even his best serving performance ever? I think he was 70% for the match, he often hovers around the low 50s.
 
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fundrazer said:
Seems kind of silly. Obviously Djoker wasn't at his best. It's important to note that Murray was serving much much better than he usually does, maybe even his best serving performance ever? I think he was 70% for the match, he often hovers around the low 50s.
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Nah - that would be his R1 match v Fed @ Dubai in 2008 - 3 sets and I don't think he faced a BP.
 
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fundrazer said:
Seems kind of silly. Obviously Djoker wasn't at his best. It's important to note that Murray was serving much much better than he usually does, maybe even his best serving performance ever? I think he was 70% for the match, he often hovers around the low 50s.
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Just out of interest, is Murray allowed the same excuse whenever HE loses the match?
 
PollyBallGirl

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I guess really its more important how you play when you are not at your best than how you play when you are at your best. Murray was not at his best today and neither wad djokovic and murray's not best was better.
 
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Reading the full quote, it doesn't seem controversial - he said neither played as well as they could, and it was still a good result for him.

Regarding Nadal, Murray is 5-13 and iirc 2-6 in GS against him, including 3 consecutive losses in slams last year, so he has a lot of work to do there (and I hope he does go on and win against Nadal, but just stating the facts).
 
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sportsfan1 said:
Reading the full quote, it doesn't seem controversial - he said neither played as well as they could, and it was still a good result for him.

Regarding Nadal, Murray is 5-13 and iirc 2-6 in GS against him, including 3 consecutive losses in slams last year, so he has a lot of work to do there (and I hope he does go on and win against Nadal, but just stating the facts).
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Humpty Dumpty had a similar record against Nadal up until last year. He had also never beaten him on clay,in a final,or in a slam yet we all have seen how lopsided that match-up has become. Murrya will end up doing the same thing,don't worry.
 
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Clarky21 said:
Humpty Dumpty had a similar record against Nadal up until last year. He had also never beaten him on clay,in a final,or in a slam yet we all have seen how lopsided that match-up has become. Murrya will end up doing the same thing,don't worry.
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That would be most pleasant, but come on, it isn't gonna happen!
 
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Shaolin said:
I like the attitude from Murray. Hope it doesn't backfire on him though.
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Have you seen Murray's body language in the 3 slam finals he reached? It can hardly get much worse, better to see him overconfident than not showing up mentally.

Speaking about Murray specifically, I think he has to have this kind of attitude (probably inspired by Lendl) to finally win a slam.
 
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batz said:
Nah - that would be his R1 match v Fed @ Dubai in 2008 - 3 sets and I don't think he faced a BP.
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Don't forget also his match against Fed in 2008 Madrid SF as well, that was against Fed who was tearing throught the draw and was high on confidence after his USO win.

Murray has a pretty big 1st serve, when he has a decent percentage of 1st serves in (like 60%+) he's very hard to beat.
 
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DjokovicForTheWin said:
Wow, is this a whole new cocky Andy Murray? Gotta like it. He just dismantled the world's #1 player quite easily. The 2nd set was not as close as the score indicates. Sure this was only an ATP500 but surely it bodes well for Murray after taking djoker to 5 sets at AO. With both Murray and Djoker stepping it up now, could this be the end of Nadal?
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No it's the end for Djokovic, Murray is capable of beating Djokovic, Federer is too, and Nadal was extremely close at AO so ya it's the end for Nole
 
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