Mikeler's Multis

mikeler · May 16, 2012

Boricua said:
Last one before the end of June?

Unless Ray sends me a set of the Acura, then I might take a little break after the Big Fantum. I'm hearing rumors that some Discho Microfibre reels may be making their way across the Atlantic. I'll be buying a reel of that when they get here. I'm starting to run out of brands to test and now I'm even running into copies of other strings!

falc02 · May 16, 2012

I would love to get my hands on a reel of Discho Microfibre 16. Very hard to come by here in Aus.

Ramon · May 17, 2012

I played with Discho Microfibre again, and it's not a fluke. I really like this string. If it continues to play well for a decent amount of time, I would consider buying a reel.

monticore · May 17, 2012

Ramon said:
I played with Discho Microfibre again, and it's not a fluke. I really like this string. If it continues to play well for a decent amount of time, I would consider buying a reel.

guess i'll need to try microfibre next, although if ppa/mcs works out i might play that for a while , strung a stick up with it last night really softens up the bed and with increased pocketing just on bounce test alone, but i'm hoping it won;t be too mushy when i hit the courts, should know tomorrow

laterz

cory

mikeler · May 17, 2012

Ramon said:
I played with Discho Microfibre again, and it's not a fluke. I really like this string. If it continues to play well for a decent amount of time, I would consider buying a reel.

The added bonus with DM and PPA are the durability.

mikeler · May 17, 2012

BTW, I checked my Microfibre with RacquetTune last night. It was down to 49.6 pounds when strung at 57. It dropped to 50.5 pounds when strung at 60 pounds. It may drop a little more but I was expecting the tension to be between 47 and 48. The little extra pop is welcome on serves and I did not lose control on ground strokes. I may try going down to 55 or 54 next time to dial in the tension.

heartattack · May 17, 2012

got my micro fibre and hex a today in the mail. planning to string this in the future. which is which in the main and crosses for this? any inputs who have try this? i only try hybrid itB @50lbs, it plays good! 5thumbs up!

mikeler · May 17, 2012

heartattack said:
got my micro fibre and hex a today in the mail. planning to string this in the future. which is which in the main and crosses for this? any inputs who have try this? i only try hybrid itB @50lbs, it plays good! 5thumbs up!

Hex crosses might cut into the Microfibre mains. I'd probably try it with Hex mains but I also prefer poly mains anyways.

coolblue123 · May 17, 2012

@mikeler: Have you tried WC 6Star Supercharged? it's a multi/poly hybrid? Like to get your take on this string.

mikeler · May 17, 2012

coolblue123 said:
@mikeler: Have you tried WC 6Star Supercharged? it's a multi/poly hybrid? Like to get your take on this string.

Nope. I asked PVAudio about it and he said it felt like plain synthetic gut so I'll probably pass on that one.

jswinf · May 17, 2012

mikeler said:
I'm starting to run out of brands to test and now I'm even running into copies of other strings!

Somebocy stop me!!! :shock:

EL_Bombadero · May 17, 2012

mikeler said:
I have not written a review yet I know. I was hoping to play with it until breakage but that may be awhile since I'm switching gears over to the TW Wilson Prototype multi until breakage and I've only got 4 matches between now and my 1 week vacation where I probably won't play at all.

I'm testing the Pro's Pro Gutex Ultra in 1.25mm. I think I've got 4 sets of singles on it so far and I'll say that it will likely rate above MCS/Hi-Tec Multifibre in my list. It's pretty good stuff for the price provided you don't mind the strings moving all over the place.

So the gutex in 1,25mm lasts you longer than MCS/Hitec Multifibre in 1,30mm?

mikeler · May 17, 2012

EL_Bombadero said:
So the gutex in 1,25mm lasts you longer than MCS/Hitec Multifibre in 1,30mm?

I cut out the Multifibre so I can't comment on the durability but I'm 99.9% sure it is MCS which only lasts about 4 or 5 sets for me. I'm about at that point with Gutex now. I might try and hit with it again tonight along with the TW playtest string.

coolblue123 · May 17, 2012

mikeler said:
Nope. I asked PVAudio about it and he said it felt like plain synthetic gut so I'll probably pass on that one.

thank goodness i just got a set of it. I'll put it next in the queue.
Them rip controls are a pain to string, especially when I need to tie off! it feels like I am putting some wet noodles in the stick.

mikeler · May 17, 2012

coolblue123 said:
thank goodness i just got a set of it. I'll put it next in the queue.
Them rip controls are a pain to string, especially when I need to tie off! it feels like I am putting some wet noodles in the stick.

OK, will be curious to hear your opinions of it. RIP Control is my least favorite multifilament to string. It is so wiry and kinks a lot.

Ramon · May 17, 2012

mikeler said:
OK, will be curious to hear your opinions of it. RIP Control is my least favorite multifilament to string. It is so wiry and kinks a lot.

As bad as it is to string RIP, I found out Mamba Premium Gut is worse! You have to be super careful not to kink it.

coolblue123 · May 17, 2012

same opinion I had when i was unwinding. it got kinked up many many tones during stringing as well. pulling string was pretty hard as well because of the texture. finally, getting the string though holes for tie offs kept on getting jammed bcz it was so soft.
but the string bed feels pretty good. I hope the feel is crispy. If it is as doft as.maxim touch I am going to cut the strings on the court.
waiting till my ankle to feel bettet before I can hit.

mikeler · May 17, 2012

Ramon said:
As bad as it is to string RIP, I found out Mamba Premium Gut is worse! You have to be super careful not to kink it.

Unifibre gut crosses across B5E was a real bear.

coolblue123 said:
same opinion I had when i was unwinding. it got kinked up many many tones during stringing as well. pulling string was pretty hard as well because of the texture. finally, getting the string though holes for tie offs kept on getting jammed bcz it was so soft.
but the string bed feels pretty good. I hope the feel is crispy. If it is as doft as.maxim touch I am going to cut the strings on the court.
waiting till my ankle to feel bettet before I can hit.

RIP is nowhere near as soft as Maxim Touch.

ls206 · May 17, 2012

mikeler said:
Unfortunately I broke MCS in 1 day last time out so I have no Racquettune data on it. I agree though, those 2 strings feel exactly the same to me.

Been playing with full hitec for a good 10hrs at least and the tension drop seems to have plateaued at 10%
(Edit: I've been plaing only doubles and at a low intensity while recovering from injury)

I strung up at 52/48lbs and I'm still finding good control and spin.

mikeler · May 18, 2012

ls206 said:
Been playing with full hitec for a good 10hrs at least and the tension drop seems to have plateaued at 10%
(Edit: I've been plaing only doubles and at a low intensity while recovering from injury)

I strung up at 52/48lbs and I'm still finding good control and spin.

That has to be a very comfy setup at that low of a tension. It also should help your durability.

ls206 · May 18, 2012

mikeler said:
That has to be a very comfy setup at that low of a tension. It also should help your durability.

Yep, only seeing a little wear on the mains and I actually came off the court yesterday with my elbow feeling better than it did before playing!

mikeler · May 18, 2012

For those interested, I'm participating in the TW Wilson Prototype playtest with their new multi:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=422712

mikeler · May 18, 2012

Just got my set of Discho Acura Control 1.25 from Mamba. Thanks to Ray for letting me try it. It looks like Klip Viper but feels harder.

GTI · May 20, 2012

Easiest transition from poly to multi

Mikeler, could you suggest 4 spin friendly multis to former poly user?

(I'm sorry if you have already done that before but this thread is quite long)

My arm can't handle polys anymore (even soft ones low tensions) so I know I'll have more comfort and power from multis. But I don't know about spin production. I'v tried NRG2 many years ago and I remember only quite poor spin production (compared to BHBR/ RPM/ BC). So, Is there better spin multi than NRG?

RIP control maybe?
What else?
Is there much difference in spin between 16 and 17 gauge multi?

GTI

JackB1 · May 20, 2012

GTI said:
Mikeler, could you suggest 4 spin friendly multis to former poly user?

(I'm sorry if you have already done that before but this thread is quite long)

My arm can't handle polys anymore (even soft ones low tensions) so I know I'll have more comfort and power from multis. But I don't know about spin production. I'v tried NRG2 many years ago and I remember only quite poor spin production (compared to BHBR/ RPM/ BC). So, Is there better spin multi than NRG?

RIP control maybe?
What else?
Is there much difference in spin between 16 and 17 gauge multi?

GTI

Dunlop Hexy Fiber or consider the king of soft with spin...Natural gut/copoly.

Ramon · May 20, 2012

JackB1 said:
Dunlop Hexy Fiber or consider the king of soft with spin...Natural gut/copoly.

Hexy Fiber has great spin for a multi, but the spin won't compare to poly, and the durability is poor.

As for Natural Gut/Copoly...now you're onto something! Gut mains will make it easy on the arm, and the spin is incredible. I'm still trying to get the tension right so I can control it.

mikeler · May 20, 2012

GTI said:
Mikeler, could you suggest 4 spin friendly multis to former poly user?

(I'm sorry if you have already done that before but this thread is quite long)

My arm can't handle polys anymore (even soft ones low tensions) so I know I'll have more comfort and power from multis. But I don't know about spin production. I'v tried NRG2 many years ago and I remember only quite poor spin production (compared to BHBR/ RPM/ BC). So, Is there better spin multi than NRG?

RIP control maybe?
What else?
Is there much difference in spin between 16 and 17 gauge multi?

GTI

Start with Head RIP Control.

mikeler · May 20, 2012

Strung up Weiss Cannon Big Fantum and Discho Acura Control just now. I followed the recommendation to string the Fantum 5% higher so I did it at 63. It's a fairly thick multi with a textured coating. The Acura seems like Klip Venom. Both feel pretty good to me. The Acura is softer though and seems like it will have better spin.

mikeler · May 21, 2012

TW Wilson Prototype Playtest

So here is my review of the Wilson Prototype string. It was fairly easy to string because of the smoothness. I'm assuming this is a 16g string. I'm a 4.5 NTRP level player that utilizes heavy spin and play almost exclusively on Har-Tru.

Tension it is strung: 60 pounds on a lockout machine full bed
Your regular string set up: Discho Microfibre 16
String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 20
Racket: Pro Kennex 7G (this is different than the others tested in the Babolat PST+)
Power (or lack there of): High powered multi
Feel: Average feel for a multi
Tension maintenance: This is the big weakness of this string. The tension off the stringer was 50.4 pounds according to RacquetTune. The final tension reading I got was 43.9 pounds. It's possible the smoothness of the string allowed some clamp slippage but who knows. Bottom line is that tension is just too low for a multi to play well at.
Overall comments and feedback: See below

General: This string looks like a high quality string. I had high hopes for it but in the end, the power is just too much for my long loopy strokes.

Serve/Return of Serve: My serves were constantly under attack with this string. Return of serves was just plain bad. I missed way too many long.

Strokes: The spin of the string was around average for a multi. Depth control was horrible. The ball was constantly going past the baseline.

Volleys: It's OK for volleys, nothing outstanding.

Touch shots: Drop shots and touch volleys were about average for a multi.

Softness: This was a stiffer multi. I would not recommend it to arm sufferers but for those coming from polys, they may like the feel better.

Tension: I wish I would have strung this up a few pounds higher.

Durability: I got 7 sets of singles and 1 set of doubles before it broke at a cross.

Movement: String movement is minimal at first but after a few hours, both the crosses and mains slide around a little bit.

Conclusion: I just felt like it was too powerful for my liking. This is a better string for those with compact strokes desiring some pop or perhaps those with a very flexible racket. The stringbed was too unpredicable for me. I would not buy this product but I'm sure there are others who would like it. Thanks TW for the opportunity to playtest the string.

*breaksracquet · May 21, 2012

Ill have some small reviews up for pros pro kingut and a rather interesting multi by the same company called tornado (too many strings called tornado these days)....

mikeler · May 21, 2012

Pro's Pro Gutex 17 is good stuff

OK, here is my review in the TW format of the Pro's Pro Gutex 17. It was fairly easy to string.

Tension it is strung: 60 pounds on a lockout machine full bed
Your regular string set up: Discho Microfibre 16
Racket: Pro Kennex 7G (this is different than the others tested in the Babolat PST+)String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 20
Power (or lack there of): Medium powered multi
Feel: Good
Tension maintenance: Came off the racket at 64.8 pounds and ended up at 53.5 pounds before I cut it out.
Price: $6.70/set or $67.70/reel
Overall comments and feedback: See below

General: This string reminds me a lot of the Pro's Pro Hi Tec Multifibre and Mantis Comfort Synthetic. It is not quite as soft but has a little more pop which many people complain about with those 2 strings.

Serve/Return of Serve: Serves were pretty good and returns were also fairly good.

Strokes: Spin was average but depth control was good.

Volleys: Volleys are OK with this string. Usually these softer multis don't shine at net anyways.

Touch shots: This is pretty good for touch shots.

Softness: While not quite as comfortable as MCS, it is still on the softer side for a multi.

Tension: Seemed pretty good at 60 pounds.

Durability: I played 4 sets of singles with this. I ended up cutting it out because it is 17g and I felt like it was getting ready to break soon.

Movement: String movement was CRAZY. After a few hits in the warm up, strings were all over the place.

Conclusion: This is a very nice offering for the price if you can deal with the string movement.

GTI · May 21, 2012

mikeler said:
Start with Head RIP Control.

Thanks...no more options? RIP is the one I already found out...

Maybe you goats are too busy to discuss with mortals

... sorry I'll use more search and maybe ask elsewhere.

Happy tennis for everyone!

GTI

mikeler · May 21, 2012

GTI said:
Thanks...no more options? RIP is the one I already found out...

Maybe you goats are too busy to discuss with mortals ... sorry I'll use more search and maybe ask elsewhere.

Happy tennis for everyone!

GTI

Polys and multis are just very different. You could also try Head Intellitour and maybe some of the poly/multi blends such as NXT Control and Tecnifibre DuraMix.

Power Player · May 21, 2012

I officially hate all multis except RIP control.

My personal stance is that nothing is better than gut - nothing.

The Microfibre is an excellent multi, but it is not even close to my setup of choice. I had to use it after breaking my gut mains, and it was just not up to snuff in terms of the power/spin/feel combo I got used to.

mikeler · May 21, 2012

Power Player said:
I officially hate all multis except RIP control.

My personal stance is that nothing is better than gut - nothing.

The Microfibre is an excellent multi, but it is not even close to my setup of choice. I had to use it after breaking my gut mains, and it was just not up to snuff in terms of the power/spin/feel combo I got used to.

To clarify for others, you like gut/poly which is still quite a bit different from full gut. Given that you like gut/poly, it makes sense that you like RIP Control. It gives you the spin of a multi with some power too. My problem with gut is just too much power. I love it on serves but I can't flatten out my shots well with it. I'm trying to get away from just hitting looping topspin all the time as I get older.

monticore · May 21, 2012

mikeler , any idea if tw is planning on carrying micronite or microfibre.

cory

Power Player · May 21, 2012

mikeler said:
To clarify for others, you like gut/poly which is still quite a bit different from full gut. Given that you like gut/poly, it makes sense that you like RIP Control. It gives you the spin of a multi with some power too. My problem with gut is just too much power. I love it on serves but I can't flatten out my shots well with it. I'm trying to get away from just hitting looping topspin all the time as I get older.

Yes, gut poly. I have not gone full gut but I may setup my backup stick with it just because I love the feel.

I actually really like the power of the gut in the PDR, which is a cannon. I use the poly crosses to control it, and that level of spin makes it very controllable. I can flatten out shots as well. It has just helped me control my swing better and I can hit more consistent.

mikeler · May 21, 2012

monticore said:
mikeler , any idea if tw is planning on carrying micronite or microfibre.

cory

I have no idea, sorry.

BigT · May 21, 2012

Nice review of the Gutex. Did you ever put up a review for the Hitec Multifiber?

mikeler · May 21, 2012

BigT said:
Nice review of the Gutex. Did you ever put up a review for the Hitec Multifiber?

Just changed my first post to combine it with my old Mantis Comfort Synthetic review. I might go back and change that review to the new format one of these days.

Not trying to put you on the spot here, but I can't tell a difference between those two strings. MCS is a little more expensive here in the USA than the Multifiber so I'd buy the Pro's Pro if looking for the softest multi at the best price.

You carry a lot of multis, so I may try some more of them in the future.

maggmaster · May 22, 2012

How long did Prince Attack last for you Mike? I got it at sixty in the Ki5 I bought and I think I am on like hour 9 and it is still playing great. I ask because I have 3 hours of tennis tonight the second portion of which is a league match and I need it to last, did it notch or anything?

mikeler · May 22, 2012

maggmaster said:
How long did Prince Attack last for you Mike? I got it at sixty in the Ki5 I bought and I think I am on like hour 9 and it is still playing great. I ask because I have 3 hours of tennis tonight the second portion of which is a league match and I need it to last, did it notch or anything?

This is what I wrote in my review available via the link in post #1:

"Durability: Because the strings don't move that much, I thought notching in the same place could be a problem. Logged 15 sets of singles on PPA and 2 sets of doubles. I cut it out because the last 2 matches my shoulder has been a little bit sore."

maggmaster · May 22, 2012

Yea you know after I posted that I looked at your review and realized, a long time. Sorry.

mikeler · May 22, 2012

maggmaster said:
Yea you know after I posted that I looked at your review and realized, a long time. Sorry.

No problem, I just like to reiterate where the reviews are for the newer folks.

mikeler · May 22, 2012

I'm hoping to find somebody tonight to try out the 2 new string setups. Otherwise, I won't be able to hit with them probably until the end of next week.

Up&comer · May 22, 2012

mikeler said:
I'm hoping to find somebody tonight to try out the 2 new string setups. Otherwise, I won't be able to hit with them probably until the end of next week.

Want me to drive down

?

mikeler · May 22, 2012

Up&comer said:
Want me to drive down ?

C'mon down! If you will be in the Jax area again on a weekend, lemme know. I can do a beach weekend up there with the family and could hook up with you and your old man.

Up&comer · May 22, 2012

mikeler said:
C'mon down! If you will be in the Jax area again on a weekend, lemme know. I can do a beach weekend up there with the family and could hook up with you and your old man.

That'd be great.

Unfortunately, our next beach trip is in the exact opposite direction. All the way up in Maine. We are going to try to go to Florida right before the end of the summer though.

mikeler · May 22, 2012

Up&comer said:
That'd be great.

Unfortunately, our next beach trip is in the exact opposite direction. All the way up in Maine. We are going to try to go to Florida right before the end of the summer though.

Ah, Maine in the summer. That will be a nice vacation. Do you know what city in Florida you'll be staying?

Up&comer · May 22, 2012

mikeler said:
Ah, Maine in the summer. That will be a nice vacation. Do you know what city in Florida you'll be staying?

Nope. We haven't fully planned it out yet.

Maine is really nice during the summer. Sunny and 70-80 degrees. Perfect weather.

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