PV Audio's Playtest Thread
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Indeed, I prefer Scorpion in a hybrid even though I do like it in full. Gut is not required also. I would not recommend stringing up the crosses with MCS as it is very low powered. Instead, try Forten Sweet synthetic gut. It's not going to be as lively as a multi, but almost certainly moreso than MCS. It's also fairly soft for a syn gut, so that could solve your shoulder issues too. Let me know!
fortun8son
Hall of Fame
+1 Indeed they've been busy, recently.
There's a big drop of in power once Scorpion starts going dead. It also becomes much stiffer and what little elasticity it has in the first place is gone. I cut it out after 5-6 hours. It's only really a good string when fresh (though not exceptional in any one particular area). 55lbs - if that's CP - is also pretty high for a 90 IMO.
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polytheist
Rookie
Scorpion not exceptional in control?
Pro shop restrung the sticks, no questions asked. Very nice people too. Interestingly, unlike the first guy (and me and Dunlop's specifications for that matter), the second stringer tied my crosses off on cross strings. I could even see the ackempucky needed to awl through the grommet. Do have to say though: looks very much neater on the outside than the designated tieoffs. Guy's been doing it for a long time too, and the quality shows. Doesn't hurt that the store uses a Sensor Expert either
fortun8son
Hall of Fame
Ackempucky? I kinda like that.
alidisperanza
Hall of Fame
I thnk 46 was the magic tension for me too. 48 just felt wrong until I stomped on the string bed, left it in the hot car, and had my friend abuse it for a bit
46 felt great off the bat.You addressed it in a later post... Gross error though. If you were closer, I'd offer my services but alas, a visit'll have to do. E-mail me more or less what town you're in now that you're settled.
nickarnold2000
Hall of Fame
Hey, can anyone help out with a poly/gut hybrid tension question?
Framingham, MA my friend.I thnk 46 was the magic tension for me too. 48 just felt wrong until I stomped on the string bed, left it in the hot car, and had my friend abuse it for a bit
You addressed it in a later post... Gross error though. If you were closer, I'd offer my services but alas, a visit'll have to do. E-mail me more or less what town you're in now that you're settled.
Been difficult to get my current pmaxx order. Received notification that the owner is sick in the hospital. Hope he is ok. I have both classic and whispertouch on order.
I'm trying different combos of NG and cofocus. First up was Tonic. I felt Tonic was good at a higher tension (56), but too powerful in the low 50s. Next up is Klip Legend. I also tried a full bed of Pacific Classic which had a nice crisp feel.
I'm curious to hear what you have to say about pmaxx/iontec. Wondering how iontec compares with cofocus.
wrxinsc
Professional
Framingham, MA my friend.
i grew up very nearby in harvard, ma. also worked a year or so in framingham for a good guy/architect named john ciccariello.
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Butt was handed to me on a silver platter. It's very interesting, nonetheless. Whenever I play against people at the same NTRP level, but are my age, or at the very least hit with modern strokes, it's fairly easy to rally against them. There's lots of spin on the ball, predictable bounces, and pace I can work off of. Whenever I hit against anyone with the same NTRP but older, nuh uh. It's always flat or underspin. Never topspin. Just driving the ball through the court, low or lower bounces. Ugh. Very educational to say the least, and a great guy to hit with.
Doubles
Legend
What NTRP level are you, PV?
davedomart
Semi-Pro
what happened to torres?
Don't got one! Whatcha see is whatcha get.
I prefer hitting against 4.0 to 4.5 so I can play up though.
fortun8son
Hall of Fame
He and arche3 gnawed each other into ban-dom.
codyjames14
New User
What a tragedy.
fortun8son
Hall of Fame
arche3 is back, torres still in limbo and He Who Must Not Be Named hasn't been heard from in almost a week.
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mikeler
Moderator
By a landslide!
bad_call
Legend
rumor has it got bageled by Jason. :shock:
rdis10093
Hall of Fame
tottaly different strings. like night and day.
mikeler
Moderator
NXT Control is the only Wilson string I like. It's really good. It does run a little thin for the gauge.
I did a brief review of it on the prior page. It's pretty nice. I do have a feeling though that Iontec Salmon would be a better candidate for a cross, but in full, I prefer the black. Same feel, just a touch more control. Nonetheless, it's harder for me to evaluate since I have 3 racquets strung with it, two of which play similarly, and one which does not. The two are the ones I had strung by the pro shop here, and the other is the one I strung before I left. I prefer the feel of the one I did myself as the tension is lower. They use a Sensor which I know is notorious for overshoot, and perhaps they do not pull poly slowly, but the stringbed just feels a lot less lively and responsive compared to the one I did. As I mentioned, they also for some reason tied off on cross holes when the assigned tieoffs are obvious. Who knows. I'm hitting again tomorrow so I'll have a better estimate for you then.
So if I read this right your favorite is natural gut with Iontec Black?
BTW I have been using Pmax WT, I cannot get it right now, any suggestions in that price range?
Thanks for the mini-review. Despite the variables you mentioned, it seems like you prefer PMAXX with MSV. What are your top 3 gut/poly combos?
Supposedly, my PMAXX order was shipped this week. I order both classic and WT. What tensions have you been having luck with?
Thanks again.
Not exactly. I still am a poly mains guy. I like the feel of poly more than I like the feel of gut. However, I'm doing gut/Iontec because I wanted to try the Supra gut. The MSV for sure yields the most spin. However, it's just spin and doesn't offer that much control. This setup offers more control but less spin. So with that said, they're equal.
Mamba Supra. Harder to string, but the best of all the "cheap" guts.
Trivial question (didn't want to bother starting a new thread) -
Would there be any merit to putting a multi in the crosses (Mantis Comfort Synth with WC scorpion mains) at the same tension as the mains, to replicate the effect of stringing the crosses at a lower tension? Or should I just follow conventional wisdom and string the crosses 2ish lbs higher?
Would there be any merit to putting a multi in the crosses (Mantis Comfort Synth with WC scorpion mains) at the same tension as the mains, to replicate the effect of stringing the crosses at a lower tension? Or should I just follow conventional wisdom and string the crosses 2ish lbs higher?
Not unless you typically string the crosses higher. You only play at reference tension, and that's it. I string my crosses higher, some string theirs lower, some string them the same. It's all personal preference, really. The Yonex low tension cross reasoning I personally think is negligible considering on a normal frame, some of the crosses are shorter, and some are longer. You end up averaging out to about the same as having each cross being the same length. Now this creates a marked difference in stringbed stiffness and feel, yes, but again, you go by reference tension only.
dadozen
Hall of Fame
Hey PV!
I'm thinking about going back to WC strings( used 3 or 4 reels of Scorpion in the past 2 years ).
I playtested B5E in my current IG Prestiges( customized ) and really liked it( although I never liked shaped strings ). I think that it suited the racquet very well, especially after the customization.
I have 1 set of Scorpion coming my way, but I'm just wondering which one you prefer right now. I checked your last reviews about those 2 strings and still can't find out which one you like better
Thanks!
I'm thinking about going back to WC strings( used 3 or 4 reels of Scorpion in the past 2 years ).
I playtested B5E in my current IG Prestiges( customized ) and really liked it( although I never liked shaped strings ). I think that it suited the racquet very well, especially after the customization.
I have 1 set of Scorpion coming my way, but I'm just wondering which one you prefer right now. I checked your last reviews about those 2 strings and still can't find out which one you like better
Thanks!
mikeler
Moderator
Hey PV!
I'm thinking about going back to WC strings( used 3 or 4 reels of Scorpion in the past 2 years ).
I playtested B5E in my current IG Prestiges( customized ) and really liked it( although I never liked shaped strings ). I think that it suited the racquet very well, especially after the customization.
I have 1 set of Scorpion coming my way, but I'm just wondering which one you prefer right now. I checked your last reviews about those 2 strings and still can't find out which one you like better
Thanks!
He likes (I think) Scorpion better (because it is a better all around string for him). I believe he likes B5E too (because of spin and tension maintenance). I love (parantheses). :twisted:
Up&comer
Hall of Fame
He likes b5e too because of the control (low power) from the baseline (and spin of course) (I think).
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PV, I'm starting to experience arm pain with my Pure Drive Roddicks. I love how they play, so I'd rather not switch rackets. I've been using Tour Bite 1.20 and Adrenaline Rough at 50 pounds and 46 pounds respectively. With a hybrid at low tension, the pain is much less intense, but I lose durability too, from 8 hours to 2-3 hours. Is there any string, preferably polyester, that provides adequate control and spin while still being soft and having decent durability? Mainly I'm looking for soft and decent durability. Thanks
VamosPanda
New User
WeissCANNON, WeissCANNON, WeissCANNON. How, and I mean HOW in the Hell do you do this? How can you make strings this good?
WeissCANNON Black5Edge / WhisperTouch
Stringing: easy to string. It's WeissCANNON. I can sleep under anesthesia with more difficulty than I can string anything from WC. Gut has already been covered. Strung at 55/57.
Playability: What, the ****. What....the ****. WC. Seriously? How are no pros using this string? Silverstring? Not even close. This is the string to choose from between Scorpion and B5E. If you want something softer, use Scorpion. If you want crisper, use B5E. This string is so unbelievably responsive, it defies logic. Seriously. The feel is astounding. More importantly, this setup is incredibly soft. For once, the description from a manufacturer is accurate.
This is the first "soft" poly that I have ever used. It feels like a multifilament, but plays like a poly. IF you can generate spin, the string gives you all that you want. Coupled with the gut, you can create sounds that shake your spine if you put up a 100+ flat serve. I'm not going to go on like some do and say "you just can't miss!!". What I'm saying is that this string does what you want it to do. You want to hit a short angle shot, it hits a short angle shot. You want a touch volley, you get a touch volley.
It has the characteristics of a high end multifilament and a high end polyester all in one. Astounding. Again, if you want something a bit softer, go with the Scorpion. If you want something a bit crisper, go with the B5E. WC, upon release of this string, is now the best string manufacturer out there and I stand by that statement 100%. If you sit there and think about it, they do not make a single bad string.
Durability: Frayed the gut about as much as the Scorpion. There's not much to talk about here yet. I played for an hour and a half against a good junior player and purposely gave him spin to drive him mad, and the WhisperTouch continues to show that it's no slouch when it comes to not only feel, but also longevity.
Overall: Tied with the Scorpion setup: 9.5/10
I'm gonna try this on my Microgel Extreme Pro
I guess I'll do B5E/Pacific Prime Gut 17 at 55/58
Looking forward to this awesome string combination
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mikeler
Moderator
I tried B5E as crosses and mains with the cheap Unifibre gut PV sent me last year. The B5E as a cross shredded the gut in no time. As a main, B5E and gut lasted a very long time.
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