Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Heard this is the final Heavyweight fight for StrikeForce. The title will be retired and Cormier will join the UFC.
Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) thread
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Heard this is the final Heavyweight fight for StrikeForce. The title will be retired and Cormier will join the UFC.
MMA is already a global sport. That's not the issue. The fighters would not be able to compete multiple times in a few weeks' span.
Feña14
G.O.A.T.
I wonder if they would even be allowed? They're under contract, i'm sure various organisations wouldn't be too pleased letting their stars risk injuries at the Olympics, especially with several fights in a short time period.
Feña14
G.O.A.T.
Well it works with boxing aswell, hopefully it can do the same.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
It already has
I'm not really sure what the rules for mma would look like in an amateur context. I really don't see it happening. Those small gloves allow for a ton of superficial cuts. These types of injuries require several weeks to heal properly.
I think Dana/Zuffa would allow it, if it ever becomes an olympic sport, which it probably will not. These guys get trashed in training camps all the time. It's highly unusual for any PPV card to actually have all of the fighters billed just a month or two prior.
These guys would look like road kill by the second fight if it ever became an olympic sport.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
I dont think you would ever see MMA as an olympic sport.
Maybe BJJ may have a chance. Surpised there wasnt a bigger push to getit on the bill as a non-medal exhibition event for Rio 2016.
Maybe BJJ may have a chance. Surpised there wasnt a bigger push to getit on the bill as a non-medal exhibition event for Rio 2016.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
No comments on the Fox card over the weekend? Bader got impatient and walked into a right. Rua clobbered Vera; Vera must have forgotten his wrestling skills - hard to believe he could get taken down that often. I admire his courage - but this fight IMHO is just another example of his limitations - just can't hang with the top guys.
And while it's easy for Dana White to say Machida was more impressive and gets the title shot, I would have rather seen Machida - Rua III first at the end of Dec. Then the winner could fight Jones in April or May.
And while it's easy for Dana White to say Machida was more impressive and gets the title shot, I would have rather seen Machida - Rua III first at the end of Dec. Then the winner could fight Jones in April or May.
Feña14
G.O.A.T.
I thought the card was excellent, way better than 149 a few weeks ago. The Machida and Rua III would be good to see, who says Jones will be Champion by April next year though?
they kept having to correct themselves on saturday 
Hot Sauce
Hall of Fame
It was a good card. As a huge Shogun fan, I have to be critical and say that the criticism of his cardio is quite true. But it seems that his conditioning only seems to suffer when he is wrestling and grappling a lot in the fight. He went 5 rounds with Machida and looked fresh the whole fight, but he gets very exhausted in grueling grappling matches.
I really believe that he has the skills, talent, and definitely the heart to beat Jones, but his conditioning isn't up to the new standard that we see with up-and-coming fighters, and fighters with top notch training.
I really believe that he has the skills, talent, and definitely the heart to beat Jones, but his conditioning isn't up to the new standard that we see with up-and-coming fighters, and fighters with top notch training.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
No. Viewership doesn't matter. Participation does - and it's not 'global' in that regard. The top fighters are from a handful of countries. Forget the brutality, the IOC isn't going to add any sports that don't have elite fighters from a large number of countries. MMA might get there someday; not there now.
maverick66
Hall of Fame
it never will make it. Try asking guys that are fighting now to fight for an entire week. Its to much. Imagine having to come back after a fight like Machida vs Shogun 1. Neither guy had anything left after that.
Or take on Chael Sonnen win and have to come back. Your drained and exhausted so your tourny is over. The sport doesnt lend itself to Olympic style competition. You cant fight again and again.
The Boxing,Judo, TKD are not the same in that they can modify time and rules to make it less brutal you cant do that with MMA and keep it MMA.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
This makes Royce Gracie's UFC accomplishments incredible.
Kind of. I don't want to devalue what he accomplished. But MOST of his fights were over fairly quickly since no one understood submission defense at the time. He won the first UFC fighting for less than 5 minutes total and probably didn't break much of a sweat. It wasn't until UFC 4 that he started to get really pushed. Now THAT was an accomplishment. But if you've ever seen the fights from that night, they're actually pretty awful.
I guess my point is that it would just be impossible to fight like that in the modern MMA game, and that while Royce Gracie impressively did it, it wasn't even the same sport at that time.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
UFC 151 is off! Jones wouldn't fight Sonnen (even though he'd been training and Sonnen hadn't). Dana White is p*ssed! Allegedly Jones will fight Machida in Sept in Toronto.
Feña14
G.O.A.T.
Wow, no UFC for another month? Not good.
Dana White did look pretty upset, understandably so.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
I have a huge case of mixed emotions. Jones should have fought - Sonnen hadn't been training and was moving up a class while Jones was in camp. But Hendo was probably going to fight a different style - so Jones was preparing for a different fight.
And if DW had to cancel the whole show, that's an admission he failed at his job - putting a good show together. And by giving Jones the Sept. fight, DW has shown that the top stars really run the show and can call their shots.
canadad
Semi-Pro
I never quite got why people didn't like Jones, he seems like a nice guy. Now I get it, I find myself not liking him very much after this. He listened to his weirdo trainer and did not take the fight. He was already training for an olympic caliber wrestler in Henderson and would have fought a guy who is a middleweight and perhaps not in shape. I am sure the UFC said, "If you don't fight, we will have to cancel the event." So he is letting down fans who had event tickets, plane tickets(nonrefundable), the organization, etc. Boo-urns Jones!
Feña14
G.O.A.T.
All true, on such short notice I don't think Dana White could of won either way. I think Sonnen and Jones would be worthy of a main event, so can understand why he wanted that to take place. Jones obviously was expecting to fight someone else, so last minute changes to a title defence aren't great.
As you say, the top stars probably do call the shots and maybe letting him choose his opponent would be too far, but you can argue giving him the choice of turning it down is pandering to his needs too.
Ultimately it's the fans who lose out anyway, it will be a gap of around 6 weeks since 150 I think? That's pretty big.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
UFC will make up for the apparent drought with 4 events in 4 weeks starting with UFC 152 9/22.
Feña14
G.O.A.T.
True! One of which is in the UK, the card is pretty uninspiring, but it will be great to have one here again.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
Is Jones scared he couldnt beat Sonnen? He should destroy that guy. Take the fight and get paid. I dont understand how he does not take that fight. I dont see how Sonnen gets past the 2nd round. Hes got zero striking and Jones should be able to stuff takedowns against a much smaller guy.
The only neg is that there simply wasnt enough time for Sonnen to go into full trash talk mode.
The only neg is that there simply wasnt enough time for Sonnen to go into full trash talk mode.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Maybe Sonnen just rubs Jones the wrong way
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
So why wouldnt he want to KO his arse and make a million bucks.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
To keep Chael from earning a million fafillion gadzillion bucks and yucks.
Feña14
G.O.A.T.
I heard Sonnen say he was willing to give Jones all the money from the fight, you never really know when he's been serious though
There was a good interview with Sonnen on Bleacher Report, he was saying Jones is effectively a bully in choosing who he wants to fight.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-ufc-champion-jon-jones-is-a-delusional-brat
GRANITECHIEF
Hall of Fame
Ya right: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/2...ar-the-record-ive-never-turn-down-a-mma-fight
Also, Machida turns down the fight, Shogun turns down the fight, and Vitor Belfort, another 185'er steps up. I guess since Sonnen lost his last fight and Vitor won his, he's in.
http://www.cagepotato.com/lyoto-mac...-in-after-shogun-declines-as-well-jonesanity/
I'm just disgusted with everyone. They make me sick. Dan Henderson training too hard, Jon Jones being a big whiny crybaby goon, Dana White being a hysterical incompetent schmuck; it all makes me want to puke in my cheerios. What a giant cluster**** of incredible proportions! Get it together people! I'm fat, lazy, and way too useless to find something productive to do with myself and I want to be entertained!
I'm so mad I could curl up on the ground right now and hold my breath until I turn blue and pass out and then hopefully go into convulsions to seriously alarm any random people that happen to witness my display of uncontrollable disgustedness.
Also, Machida turns down the fight, Shogun turns down the fight, and Vitor Belfort, another 185'er steps up. I guess since Sonnen lost his last fight and Vitor won his, he's in.
http://www.cagepotato.com/lyoto-mac...-in-after-shogun-declines-as-well-jonesanity/
I'm just disgusted with everyone. They make me sick. Dan Henderson training too hard, Jon Jones being a big whiny crybaby goon, Dana White being a hysterical incompetent schmuck; it all makes me want to puke in my cheerios. What a giant cluster**** of incredible proportions! Get it together people! I'm fat, lazy, and way too useless to find something productive to do with myself and I want to be entertained!
I'm so mad I could curl up on the ground right now and hold my breath until I turn blue and pass out and then hopefully go into convulsions to seriously alarm any random people that happen to witness my display of uncontrollable disgustedness.
I don't know Jones and Sonnen very well, but it may have been a wise decision on the part of Jones to refuse the fight.
If he trained for months analyzing Henderson's moves and prepping specifically to attack, defend, counter-attack Henderson, then it would be foolish to turn to another fighter and hope the same strategy would work.
True, Jones was in fighting shape and Sonnen was most likely not. But it is still a risk to accept a fight one has not taken the proper prep for.
Some good fighters have taken up fights hastily, thinking it would be a walkover, only to come out a loser.
If he trained for months analyzing Henderson's moves and prepping specifically to attack, defend, counter-attack Henderson, then it would be foolish to turn to another fighter and hope the same strategy would work.
True, Jones was in fighting shape and Sonnen was most likely not. But it is still a risk to accept a fight one has not taken the proper prep for.
Some good fighters have taken up fights hastily, thinking it would be a walkover, only to come out a loser.
Feña14
G.O.A.T.
I'd of loved to of seen Sonnen and Jones. I don't think Sonnen could of gone 5 rounds, on 8 days notice, moving up in weight. Jones would of walked it probably.
If he does earn a shot in the future and gets a proper training camp in, it would be alot more even. I can't imagine Jones would fancy 25 minute of double leg takedown attempts.
If he does earn a shot in the future and gets a proper training camp in, it would be alot more even. I can't imagine Jones would fancy 25 minute of double leg takedown attempts.
Feña14
G.O.A.T.
Yeah, alot on twitter were saying things along those lines. You have to feel for them, the flights, hotels, preparation etc.. it all adds up.
Do you think Silva really did offer to fight? I think he might of saw Sonnen did and chimed in at the last minute
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
I agree with everything except the self-abuse in the last para. Dana White needs to put better shows together AND if Jones refuses to fight, suspend (or drop him) - Jones needs UFC as much as it needs him. Jones needs to grow a set. I'll bet if his camp had said "another half mil + make it a non-title fight" White would have agreed.
I'll pass on the TO show.
TomT
Hall of Fame
Just noticed this thread. Cool. I like MMA, though I liked it better in the beginning when it was more brutal.
I have great respect for the athletes who do this. Maybe the ultimate sport re strength, conditioning, mental toughness. Of course there's boxing and real wrestling. Tough choice, but if you're going to have a violent sport where the object is to physically hurt or incapacitate the opponent ... then MMA.
Watched many of the earlier TUF episodes. Very entertaining.
My current favorite guy in MMA is George St. Pierre. No surprise there, eh? The thing is, I have to think that he must be a lot stronger than he looks.
I have great respect for the athletes who do this. Maybe the ultimate sport re strength, conditioning, mental toughness. Of course there's boxing and real wrestling. Tough choice, but if you're going to have a violent sport where the object is to physically hurt or incapacitate the opponent ... then MMA.
Watched many of the earlier TUF episodes. Very entertaining.
My current favorite guy in MMA is George St. Pierre. No surprise there, eh? The thing is, I have to think that he must be a lot stronger than he looks.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
I wonder if Silva - Sonnen (non-title at 205) was ever considered? Sonnen was doing pretty well before he tripped on the silly spinning punch and got G&P'd out. I would watch them fight again. Guessing Silva didn't want to risk it - because if Sonnen did beat him then they'd have to go down to 185 and do it again.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
I would say Silva is done with Sonnen. Sonnens best change at getting back at Silva would be to pummel his boy Machida, and then maybe Lil Nog.
I guess Sonnen is still going to fight Forrest though. Forrest is huge for 205 so we will see what Sonnen can do. But Sonnen does train with guys who have historically not had a problem going against bigger guys. Couture and Hendo obviously have titles at multiple weight classes
I guess Sonnen is still going to fight Forrest though. Forrest is huge for 205 so we will see what Sonnen can do. But Sonnen does train with guys who have historically not had a problem going against bigger guys. Couture and Hendo obviously have titles at multiple weight classes
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
If Sonnen can't beat washed up Forrest, he should retire. Younger and faster with great wrestling. Unless Forrest got a lucky timed punch or knee in I assume there would be a whole lot of Sonnen on top beating his face in. If A Silva couldn't avoid the takedowns, Forrest certainly couldn't.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
But A Silva isnt 235 lbs. Ive never been a fan of Forrest, he probably got the most out of not much talet than anyone I can think of. He has no world class skills unless you call cutting weight a skill. I guess Forest is setting his legacy up to be the guy from TUF and losing to middleweights
But I agree Sonnen should win and I think he will. But the size of forrest is a resonable one. Chale might gas quicker than usual and get subbed liek hes known for from time to time.
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I've been a huge MMA fan since UFC 1! I'm super happy about it's incredible growth during the last few years, but I must say, I've reached overload at this point. I haven't watch a live PPV in probably at least 2 years. Besides being really expensive, there are just too many cards for me now. Probably the only fight I'd pay for now would be GSP-Spider, Spider-Bones Jones, or Rousey-Cyborg (!). Seriously, I'd love to see Rousey take Cyborg's arm home!
But A Silva isnt 235 lbs. Ive never been a fan of Forrest, he probably got the most out of not much talet than anyone I can think of. He has no world class skills unless you call cutting weight a skill. I guess Forest is setting his legacy up to be the guy from TUF and losing to middleweights
But I agree Sonnen should win and I think he will. But the size of forrest is a resonable one. Chale might gas quicker than usual and get subbed liek hes known for from time to time.
Forrest has the jiu-jitsu skills to submit Chael. No doubt about that. I don't think it happens, but it's a possibility. Forrest can't stop Chael's takedowns, but if he survives a few rounds and tires Chael out, he can pull a Forrest specialty, leg kicking and slapping Sonnen into a decision. If this were Forrest from 2008, I'd give him a good chance to win. He's got more skills than people would think, and he's much bigger than Chael. But at this point, I don't think he cares about fighting. It's what he does, and he wants to make the money while it's there, but the desire is gone.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
+1. He was a Vegas cop before UFC - beating up handcuffed guys, drunks, and the homeless. But channeling his anger in the octagon against guys his own size and getting his share of beatings - and losing his manhood against A Silva, seems to have humanized him.
I guess I'm out of the loop, but is there a possible bout between Forrest and Chael? I really think Chael should focus on beating top guys in his own weight class for a potential long-term rematch against Silva. I'm getting tired of these "freak" matches just to pit 2 "names" against each other. FWIW, I think Forrest can beat Chael easily.
Lastly, you've got some good points WCA. Forrest definitely doesn't seem to be the same fighter he was 5 years ago. I believe Forrest was a police officer in Georgia, though he might have also served in Vegas too. I know he's trained quite a bit there.
Lastly, you've got some good points WCA. Forrest definitely doesn't seem to be the same fighter he was 5 years ago. I believe Forrest was a police officer in Georgia, though he might have also served in Vegas too. I know he's trained quite a bit there.
maverick66
Hall of Fame
He was never ever a Vegas cop.
He worked with a Georgia sheriffs department and was gonna become a security guard at the local jails before he made it.
Also losing to A.Silva does not equal losing ones manhood. The guy is the best fighter in MMA right now.
I will agree that he has taking some brutal beatings even in fights he wins. He seems to enjoy pain or not mind it. If you read his book which is a really good read he is a weird man that does things involving pain that just baffles me.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
Sonnen has said he is moving up and fighting light heavyweight. I guess working out with Dan Henderson has shown him its possible.
Chael fought Forrest in 2003. Forrest won via triangle
Rematch is supposed to be in December.
