Nadal: Indoor tennis is not real tennis

Limpinhitter · Sep 26, 2012

sureshs said:
Tennis should only be played on clay and grass.

Whole heartedly agree! But, the substrate of the grass should be firm like it is at Wimbledon. Not the soft, spongy stuff with no bounce that they have at many grass venues like Forest Hills.

RF20Lennon · Sep 26, 2012

Limpinhitter said:
Whole heartedly agree! But, the substrate of the grass should be firm like it is at Wimbledon. Not the soft, spongy stuff with no bounce that they have at many grass venues like Forest Hills.

Hard courts are more economical though

Sri · Sep 26, 2012

Rafa has no clue what real tennis is --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_tennis

The Dark Knight · Sep 26, 2012

Sri said:
Rafa has no clue what real tennis is --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_tennis

Omg....that was funny.

PrinceMoron · Sep 26, 2012

Sri said:
Rafa has no clue what real tennis is --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_tennis

I play somewhere there is a real tennis court, trouble is it is between the toilets and the tennis courts.

I have absolutely no idea if a point is in play and end up waiting ages. If you walk past the court when they are playing it is a big no no.

Crisstti · Sep 30, 2012

merlinpinpin said:
I never said anything about "better" or "worse", that was your take on it. I just said that he *had* stated that the 90's weren't real tennis, in answer to a previous post.

No, he never said such a thing. I don't care how many links you post to badly translated quotes.

I can't believe no one else has pointed out that it was just a bad translation. :-? Way to spread misinformation.

Tony48 said:
I'm talking about the literal performance of Falla vs. Rosol. Sure Falla would have caused one of the greatest upsets in history, but their respective level of play differed immensely.

That day, many considered Rosol as untouchable. Had Falla not choked, I'm not so sure the same would have been said.

He was not untouchable. In the first set, maybe.
He only won, what, 3 points more than Nadal in the whole match?. Untouchable?.

dominikk1985 · Sep 30, 2012

the hardcourts are indeed ruining the body. many great hardcourters have ruined bodies (agassi for example).

but just going clay and grass is not the solution either (although I would like the grass season to be at least 6 weeks long with a masters). they need to develope softer and more joint and bone friendly hardcourts which should be possible with modern technology.

rafan · Oct 1, 2012

merwy said:
A squash court has a wooden surface, the US Open is hard court. The US Open court is a lot larger and has a net in the middle of the court. There also lines on the tennis court, the squash court doesn't have any lines on the floor. The tennis court is open on the sides. The squash court is surrounded by walls and a glass wall on one side. If you think about it, there are very few similarities between the US Open court and a squash court.

I am quite aware of what a squash court looks like but the point I am making is that the tennis court surface I refer to in USA does not resemble any of the real hard courts I have played on in any way. In fact the first hard court I played on had a sort of gravel surface on the top so that is was possible to to slide into a shot. All I can hear on the USA courts is a continual squeak and the players are locked into a position and heaven help them if they do the splits which cannot
be good. I wonder how many of the long term injuries can be attributed to such a surface

rafan · Oct 2, 2012

dominikk1985 said:
the hardcourts are indeed ruining the body. many great hardcourters have ruined bodies (agassi for example).

but just going clay and grass is not the solution either (although I would like the grass season to be at least 6 weeks long with a masters). they need to develope softer and more joint and bone friendly hardcourts which should be possible with modern technology.

Interesting that Borg never had much to do with so called hard courts. I wonder if that wise Swede knew more than his opponents

RF20Lennon · Oct 2, 2012

rafan said:
Interesting that Borg never had much to do with so called hard courts. I wonder if that wise Swede knew more than his opponents

Wait what????

TennisCJC · Oct 3, 2012

The only good courts are clay and grass, no?

And, the clay court must be red clay because the blue clay court is not good court, no?

And, the grass court must be the slow grass with the high bounce, no?

And, my water bottles must be aligned at a 47 degree angle to the sideline of the grass and red clay court, no?

And, my socks must be pulled up just enough, no?

And, my underwear must be adjusted very carefully to be just the right fit in order to optimize my game on the grass and red clay court, no?

And, then I am ready to play tennis, no?

Geez, is this guy for real, no?

RF20Lennon · Oct 3, 2012

TennisCJC said:
The only good courts are clay and grass, no?

And, the clay court must be red clay because the blue clay court is not good court, no?

And, the grass court must be the slow grass with the high bounce, no?

And, my water bottles must be aligned at a 47 degree angle to the sideline of the grass and red clay court, no?

And, my socks must be pulled up just enough, no?

And, my underwear must be adjusted very carefully to be just the right fit in order to optimize my game on the grass and red clay court, no?

And, then I am ready to play tennis, no?

Geez, is this guy for real, no?

Lol, no???????

Rjtennis · Oct 3, 2012

Lol funny stuff

TennisCJC said:
The only good courts are clay and grass, no?

And, the clay court must be red clay because the blue clay court is not good court, no?

And, the grass court must be the slow grass with the high bounce, no?

And, my water bottles must be aligned at a 47 degree angle to the sideline of the grass and red clay court, no?

And, my socks must be pulled up just enough, no?

And, my underwear must be adjusted very carefully to be just the right fit in order to optimize my game on the grass and red clay court, no?

And, then I am ready to play tennis, no?

Geez, is this guy for real, no?

Funny, he does have some crazy ideas and rituals. Why does he say all this stuff? All it does is hurt his reputation. The worlds not going to change it's ways for Rafeal Nadal.

Mustard · Oct 3, 2012

dominikk1985 said:
the hardcourts are indeed ruining the body. many great hardcourters have ruined bodies (agassi for example).

but just going clay and grass is not the solution either (although I would like the grass season to be at least 6 weeks long with a masters). they need to develope softer and more joint and bone friendly hardcourts which should be possible with modern technology.

There needs to be more clay, more grass, more carpet and much less hardcourt.

Polvorin · Oct 4, 2012

Mustard said:
There needs to be more clay, more grass, more carpet and much less hardcourt.

Or the guy could stop grinding and moonballing, and instead choose to attack once in a while. Strange how he is the only guy at the top of the game with this problem.

Perhaps the problem isn't the game, but rather the way he plays it.

Polvorin · Oct 4, 2012

dominikk1985 said:
the hardcourts are indeed ruining the body. many great hardcourters have ruined bodies (agassi for example).

I don't suppose the McDonald's binges and meth might be a factor there? Pete seems to be doing just fine despite the "body ruining" hard courts.

Federer seems to be doing just fine too, despite being 31, playing so much hardcourt tennis and winning many titles during the era when Master's 1000 finals were best of 5 sets...

NDFM · Oct 4, 2012

Polvorin said:
I don't suppose the McDonald's binges and meth might be a factor there? Pete seems to be doing just fine despite the "ruining" hard courts.

this made me laugh

Lefty78 · Oct 4, 2012

Mustard said:
There needs to be more clay, more grass, more carpet and much less hardcourt.

But hardcourt is the surface of the proletariat

Crisstti · Oct 4, 2012

Polvorin said:
Or the guy could stop grinding and moonballing, and instead choose to attack once in a while. Strange how he is the only guy at the top of the game with this problem.

Perhaps the problem isn't the game, but rather the way he plays it.

There have obviously been plenty of players with lots of injury problems...

tennissportsrog · Oct 15, 2012

again... Nadal says always selfish and ego.

A push of ego two-year ranking. Boycott threat. resigns from an ATP players' association suddenly. requests "Increase clay." etc.

I wish, This selfish arrogant moron to retire soon.

Seriously.

Lovely_Bone · Oct 15, 2012

You guys are crazy if you thing he actually said that... Nadal OWNS and indoor tennis court. In fact, Nadal almost always practices on his indoor court during the hard court season.

RF20Lennon · Oct 15, 2012

Mustard said:
There needs to be more clay, more grass, more carpet and much less hardcourt.

Carpet and hard are ver similar though

Steve0904 · Oct 15, 2012

Lovely_Bone said:
You guys are crazy if you thing he actually said that... Nadal OWNS and indoor tennis court. In fact, Nadal almost always practices on his indoor court during the hard court season.

Well he's not that great on it if he does in fact own an indoor court.

tennissportsrog · Oct 20, 2012

nadal's usual thing

TTMR · Oct 24, 2012

TennisCJC said:
The only good courts are clay and grass, no?

And, the clay court must be red clay because the blue clay court is not good court, no?

And, the grass court must be the slow grass with the high bounce, no?

And, my water bottles must be aligned at a 47 degree angle to the sideline of the grass and red clay court, no?

And, my socks must be pulled up just enough, no?

And, my underwear must be adjusted very carefully to be just the right fit in order to optimize my game on the grass and red clay court, no?

And, then I am ready to play tennis, no?

Geez, is this guy for real, no?

Three cheers for originality!

Candide · Oct 24, 2012

He's the Yoda of tennis. Easier are the hard courts not better. Matches what I don't win isn't real tennis, no? Oh ho ho ho. No.

SLD76 · Oct 24, 2012

Clarky21 said:
Just like Berdych didn't crumble in the 4th set at the USO like he was supposed to.

really clarky? really?

God, I havent been on the boards for ages and now I remember why.
How old are you, 13?

SLD76 · Oct 24, 2012

Polvorin said:
I don't suppose the McDonald's binges and meth might be a factor there? Pete seems to be doing just fine despite the "body ruining" hard courts.

Federer seems to be doing just fine too, despite being 31, playing so much hardcourt tennis and winning many titles during the era when Master's 1000 finals were best of 5 sets...

it may be because they didnt camp out 20ft behind the baseline and actively seek to play 20 stroke rallies on a HC.

joeri888 · Oct 24, 2012

Well, when i watch Nadal, i get the same feeling Nadal has with indoor tennis apparently. Shame on both of us.

RF20Lennon · Oct 24, 2012

I get the feeling there might have been a translation error

smoledman · Nov 4, 2012

Polvorin said:
Or the guy could stop grinding and moonballing, and instead choose to attack once in a while. Strange how he is the only guy at the top of the game with this problem.

Perhaps the problem isn't the game, but rather the way he plays it.

Strange that Nadal is the only guy at the top of the game that has no problem racking up important clay titles. I wonder why?

rafafan20 · Nov 4, 2012

one word for this threat: haters

firepanda · Nov 4, 2012

Magnetite said:
He got pulverized in the 5th set. It's only natural for him to be bitter about it.

He hasn't played a real match since Rosol, so I bet he's been stewing over it for months now.

I personally can't recall a time when Nadal was bludgeoned that badly ever.

Even Federer bagelling Nadal in last year's WTF didn't feel so punishing.

I don't blame him. He got absolutely thrashed towards the end and he's allowed to be upset. I agree about too much tennis being played on the hard courts. What other sport is played on concrete? Paintball?

RAFA2005RG · Nov 5, 2012

Nadal is one of the few players in history to beat Djokovic and Murray in an indoor event (2010 World Tour Finals). He also took a set off Federer in that event.

joeri888 · Nov 5, 2012

RAFA2005RG said:
Nadal is one of the few players in history to beat Djokovic and Murray in an indoor event (2010 World Tour Finals). He also took a set off Federer in that event.

So? Federer was already done back then right, since winning max. 1 slam in a year means youre done. See your other post in other thread today.

Nadal is a very good indoor player, and should never ever make the kind of stupid remark, this thread says he made.

So you have three options:
1) Indoor tennis is not real tennis
2) Nadal didn't say that
3) Nadal made a moronic comment

Which one is it?

Romismak · Nov 5, 2012

Actually i think outdoor tennis is not real tennis - with wind like USO or playing in very hot temperature, it is more about who is more fitter will survive - yes adapting to conditions is part of tennis, but i like much more indoor tennis, wich clean conditions, where players with weapons and talented players are benefiting.

Rafa is one of very few players - actually can´t think now of anybody else in top that benefits from outdoor conditions, while is weaker indoors- while most other players are better indoors - with their serve working better, hitting cleaner means can play more agressive and so on

Rafa plays with topspin that allows him to play well in outdoor windy conditions, he is extremely fit and physically superior to most of the tour so can ,,outbattle,, them in heat-hot weather

+ his insande deffense is bettet outdoor with ,non-clean, conditions than indoors whan with no wind anybody has it easier to hit through him.

really can´t think of anybody else right now who benefits so much from outdoor elements in tennis like Rafa

If i give it in % than you have something like this

indoor tennis - 100% your potential you can play there

outdoor tennis - with wind, heat and other elements - many players must play safer, are more tired in heat and soon - can play maybe 60-70% of their potential, because are limited by outdoor conditions, but Rafa with his topspin + stamina can play maybe 90% of his tennis

zagor · Nov 5, 2012

smoledman said:
Strange that Nadal is the only guy at the top of the game that has no problem racking up important clay titles. I wonder why?

That comparison would be valid LOLville, if other players (especially other top players) accused CC tennis of not being "real tennis" but they instead keep their mouths shut and try to adapt to the surface as best as they can.

RAFA2005RG · Nov 5, 2012

joeri888 said:
So? Federer was already done back then right, since winning max. 1 slam in a year means youre done. See your other post in other thread today.

Nadal is a very good indoor player, and should never ever make the kind of stupid remark, this thread says he made.

So you have three options:
1) Indoor tennis is not real tennis
2) Nadal didn't say that
3) Nadal made a moronic comment

Which one is it?

Federer is never DONE indoors. He won 3 straight indoor events to close 2011. Its like Nadal on clay. When Nadal is 31 he'll still be winning Roland Garros and the clay masters events. He'll hve over 30 masters shields by then, and more than 10 RG titles.

zagor · Nov 5, 2012

RF20Lennon said:
I get the feeling there might have been a translation error

Of course, every interview/statement ever in which Nadal comes across as arrogant, excuse-maker or spoiled brat is the result of some translation error.

Tafmatch · Nov 5, 2012

He never said indoor tennis isn't real tennis. He was only referring to the Rosol match and because of the translation from Spanish to French to English who knows what he meant to say?

Topic title is misleading.

Crisstti · Nov 5, 2012

zagor said:
Of course, every interview/statement ever in which Nadal comes across as arrogant, excuse-maker or spoiled brat is the result of some translation error.

You did notice that this whole thing comes from a comment made by the writer of the article, not by Nadal, right?.

joeri888 · Nov 5, 2012

RAFA2005RG said:
Federer is never DONE indoors. He won 3 straight indoor events to close 2011. Its like Nadal on clay. When Nadal is 31 he'll still be winning Roland Garros and the clay masters events. He'll hve over 30 masters shields by then, and more than 10 RG titles.

So, Federer is outdoordone than? Should have said that the first time.

And which of the three options above do you pick, NSK?

Avles · Nov 5, 2012

zagor said:
Of course, every interview/statement ever in which Nadal comes across as arrogant, excuse-maker or spoiled brat is the result of some translation error.

Nadal didn't even make that "statement"-- it was an editorial interpolation. There's no actual evidence that Nadal was referring to the indoor venue.

sheesh

15_ounce · Nov 5, 2012

Nadal: Indoor tennis is not real tennis

God: Real Tennis is played indoor.

rufus_smith · Nov 5, 2012

Heh, let's not let the facts stand in the way of a fun 196 post TT thread.

zagor · Nov 5, 2012

Crisstti said:
You did notice that this whole thing comes from a comment made by the writer of the article, not by Nadal, right?.

I don't speak/understand French so no, I didn't.

tennis_pro · Nov 5, 2012

RAFA2005RG said:
Nadal is one of the few players in history to beat Djokovic and Murray in an indoor event (2010 World Tour Finals). He also took a set off Federer in that event.

Wow, congratulations. Especially on the second part.

Clarky21 · Nov 5, 2012

zagor said:
I don't speak/understand French so no, I didn't.

Then you don't say anything if you don't know what's going on. You jumped first without having a clue. Keeping uninformed opinions to yourself can be a virtue,you know.

zagor · Nov 5, 2012

Clarky21 said:
Then you don't say anything if you don't know what's going on.

I'll say what I want to say (assuming it doesn't break forum rules obviously) when I want to say it.

Clarky21 said:
You jumped first without having a clue.

Jumped? No, I made a general observation regarding the tendency around here for any Nadal's statement that portrays him differently than the saintly humble image his fans have of him to be dismissed as an error in translation or down to his poor English.

Clarky21 said:
Keeping uninformed opinions to yourself can be a virtue,you know.

Practice what you preach.

Clarky21 · Nov 5, 2012

zagor said:
I'll say what I want to say (assuming it doesn't break forum rules obviously) when I want to say it.
Jumped? No, I made a general observation regarding the tendency around here for any Nadal's statement that portrays him differently than the saintly humble image his fans have of him to be dismissed as an error in translation or down to his poor English.

Practice what you preach.

Go ahead and make yourself look silly then. You opened your mouth without even knowing what was going on. Makes perfect sense when I think about who I am talking to,though.

Nadal: Indoor tennis is not real tennis

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