Lost 1-6, 3-6.
He made a total of 1 winner, and that was enough for him.
God, these matches make you want to quit tennis forever.
Cant understand this attitude.
Stop whining. The pusher played safe error free tennis in the wind and won comfortably. Give him credit.
I foretold this would happen. It's almost a sacred ritual here: you have to rub pushers in the back before you get to say anything or else your post is viewed as rude and irrelevant.
Playing a servebot..... indoors.
Lost 6-1 6-3. All he did was smack the ball as hard as he could and come to net. We only had a handful of rallies the whole match.
Sick of these players. Makes me want to quit tennis.
As for your problems DonDiego, the situation is far from being hopeless, especially not if you really are a 4.5 as your signature suggests.
Pushers rely on a single tactic: they cut down on their unforced errors. .
Lost 1-6, 3-6.
He made a total of 1 winner, and that was enough for him.
God, these matches make you want to quit tennis forever.
The mistake most people make is that they go for too much unnecessarily. I don't see how possibly the only option you have to defeat a pusher is cutting down on their time. They do not pressure you and they do not do anything fancy with the ball. If you go down that road, hitting on the rise and going for drive volleys, you'll hit the wall very quickly.
On your side, what you want to do with the pusher is put them in a situation where their mistake is doing too little. This idea should ring a bell in your head: you can achieve this sort of result by doing surprisingly little with the ball yourself. In general, a few deep ball to the weak side and you'll soon get a ball you will be able to place way out of their reach. But if, from the get go, you go for serve-and-volley, hit bigger, hit on the rise, and move forward on every occasion, you'll be shooting yourself in the foot. It's very, very hard to play like that -- and you only do it when your opponent is so good that everything else is not enough.
Playing pushers are blessing in disguise. They teach you so much about your game. What you can attack off of, what areas of the court do you have a preference for.
Also true. But even more so: they teach you about your mental toughness, and your ability to stay relaxed and focus.
Yes. You've hit the nail right on the head there.
Mental and physical toughness since they usually push your endurance to the limit.
Ah yes pushers, I dislike playing them. The problem is, you're taking all the risks, what you are doing takes skill, what they are doing doesn't. Blocking a ball back isn't difficult, if someone else is supplying all the power. So the match can become a dinkfest, with neither player willing to take a risk. It is like parking the bus in football, you can do it, but it makes for an awful spectacle
But I am being a hypocrite, because I am not above pushing myself. Today I was down 0-40, so I just bowled in some short pushy serves, and watched my opponents blowup. They missed every return.
What about techniques?
You should win at least the first few games where mental and physical stuff haven't set in yet, right?
What about techniques?
You should win at least the first few games where mental and physical stuff haven't set in yet, right?
That's pretty typical. When I'm in top shape (which I'm not right now), the pusher is my favorite opponent. I like to have time to set my feet and I enjoy playing at the net to pressure them. Most of my opponents hit the ball so hard that coming into net is just not something I can get away with unless I hit a perfect approach.
That's not the only tactic. Not enough. They also count on their opponent's lousy tennis. So lousy that they (opponent) can't handle run of the mill safe shots.
Lol, didn't know pushers were such a controversial topic here.
Let me define what I call a pusher first: a player who mainly block balls or ''push'' them to the other side without pace or much spin. Same thing on return of serves. They put their racquet in front of the ball with the intention of hitting some sort of lob that will land close to the baseline. Pushers never, ever go for a winner (ok, maybe once a set). (BTW, this is why I find this Murray-is-a-pusher thing so laughable. Yeah right, like Murray doesn't go for winners...)
By pusher you mean defensive player, correct? I've never seen a 5.0 player without real strokes.
if a 5.0 player is playing someone way well below his level, he can win without using real strokes. Someone at talk tennis got a date to play with Djokovic. I am pretty sure, Djokovic will resort to pushing. His level is too high for the average ATP player, let alone a non- professional
It doesn't take skill to make shot after shot without missing?
No it doesn't, I know, because I have tried pushing in the past, and frankly it was easy. My opponent, had to get their feet sorted out, time the shots properly. Have correct form and technique.
All I had to do was stick out a racket and get it back. I could mistime it, be off balance, not move my feet properley, be leaning back. Commit 101 errors, it didn't matter, because all I was doing was deflecting my opponents pace back at them.
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4.5 can't handle a weak pusher? Do you really play USTA at 4.5?
I just re-read the whole thing: http://assets.usta.com/assets/639/15/National tennis Rating Program.pdf
Only aspect where I don't fit: ''limited double faults''. This is what killed me in that match. Ok, so I'm dowgrading myself to a 4.25.
This being said, you think a 4.5 player, having a bad day, will never, EVER loose against a 4.0 pusher? Really?
Have you played against any USTA computer rated 4.0 or 4.5 players?
No I haven't, and I live in Canada. I guess that makes me a USTA 2.5, is that it?
No I haven't, and I live in Canada. I guess that makes me a USTA 2.5, is that it?
Unfortunately, this whole USTA rating thing cannot be understood or judge correctly by anyone who is not familiar with at least several different players ranked in the catagory close to the player.
Reading the words, most players overate themselves, play a few tourneys, and see only bagels and breadsticks.
Around our courts, one "4.0" was a A/Open player just 15 years ago. One just turned 71, is ranked in the top 10 in the '70's, one was an Open level player 30 years ago, so all old farts so far, several have played tennis for well over 30 years, and most have no trouble beating anyone who has played tennis for less than 4 years. That's full time tennis, 5 days a week, for 4 years.
Any "A/Open player" in a 4.0 tournament is a sandbagger. A pathetic one to boot.
I have yet to see a 71 year old singles player be competitive at the 4.0 level. Things must be very strange and bizarre up north.