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ace18
Professional
so topspn, let me ask you this. What are you looking for in a string that you aren't seeing or feeling in the RS Lyon? I know you mention that its a very good string in the TC100 but something has to be missing if you are looking around at other stuff. I'm thinking Pro Supex Big Ace might be a good string in the Angell.
haqq777
Legend
Twins are back from the stringer:
Strung with Discho Black Mamba Gear and Discho Proton - had a couple of samples lying around so figured I'll see how they play. The quest for that perfect string continues!
Hitting over the weekend. Will report back if anything extraordinary is observed. Now back to mourning Rafa's loss to Sukygios tonight.
Strung with Discho Black Mamba Gear and Discho Proton - had a couple of samples lying around so figured I'll see how they play. The quest for that perfect string continues!
Hitting over the weekend. Will report back if anything extraordinary is observed. Now back to mourning Rafa's loss to Sukygios tonight.
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Mirdad
Semi-Pro
Just received my first Angell racquet; Ordered specs were: TC95 16x19 RA63 unstrung 11.0 ounces/9" pts h/l. Actual measurements were 10.9 ounces/10.0" h/l. Fully loaded racquet with NXT Power 17g #53, worm dampener, Bablolat razor thin overgrip: 11.78 ounces static weight, 8" h/l, and SW 326. I"m very happy that the racquet came in ever so slightly lighter in head light balance. At these specs the racquet is very customizable should I need to do some tweaking. I ordered a flex of 63 but can't locate anywhere on the racquet where it states the RA number. Is this common on Angell racquets? All other specs are stated on the racquet. I guess I will be very aware of it when I hit with it. For this first hit I chose to go with NXT as it's a very arm friendly string and just wanted to experience how it feels on my shoulder. I can always go to a poly set up at a much lower tension in the near future.
I like RS for control, excellent durability and tension maintenance. However I do find it stiff, and low powered. In my tc97 I prefer silverstring, slight more power and less stiff, cheaper here in UK too. I break strings fairly regularly so nice to experiment outside of competition.
Mirdad
Semi-Pro
Thanks Ed, I was going nuts trying to locate it!.......LOL!! I am really looking forward to my hitting session tomorrow morning. I will post my results asap.
Thanks again to everyone who steered me to try one of the Angell racquets.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
ace18
Professional
thanks, I might have to look at silverstring at some point. Have you ever tried any Lux? I have a pack of Alu Power Soft but I don't really like 18.00 experiments, lol
Not tried any of the lux strings, wouldn't pay the price!
topspn
Legend
Good question! So I am finding that the TC100 63RA to be pretty string sensitive. Other things I like in the 70RA for instance, feel terrible in the 63RA. RS feels really nice so I would like as much as possible to keep the pocketing, comfort and very tempered response when going big. What I would like to improve is a bit more on crispiness as RS feels fairly muted and a bit more spin potential. Big ace is great but I’m a bit worried it would play to lively in the 63RA TC100.
ace18
Professional
I hear you there...I've been hybriding the Lux in my PS97 so knowing I get 2 string jobs out of it eases the price tag. The only reason I tried it is because I got a 10 bucks off coupon at the local store so I figured 8 bucks of my own money can justify it, of course, I had to like it, a lot.
ace18
Professional
Makes sense. When I played the Ai98, I found that racquet was very string sensitive and had to be at a lower tension. That was the first racquet I used where I had to spent a lot of time messing around with strings and tension. I used YPTP and YPHS and liked the YPHS a little better, never tried the YPTS. Will be curious about your additional testing. I'm playing singles later today so will get another change to test the RS Lyon.
The RA doesn't necessarily correspond to how the racket plays. The RA listed is unstrung. Stringing the racket reduces the stiffness by about 5 points. I very much doubt you got the wrong flex, it's more likely that you don't like the way it flexes. I have the 97 and it's much more flexible in the head despite the nominally higher ra.
I do think you got the 70. The 63 should be around 60 Strung and the 70 around 'your' 66. Does it swing easy or heavy? I played the 95 70 this week for the first time. Strung it with yptp 47lbs. Loved it on my ohbh both spin and slice. Have to dial in serve and fh. Need to string it lower i think to get some more spin). I noticed the uniform flex (compared to TEC Ltd or tc97 in head). I didnt find it uncomfortable.
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joohan
Guest
TC97 plays with more flex than 63RA Angells (at least my 18x20 does). TC100 has the same "D" beam and the same uniform response as TC95 as a result plus I doubt it drops sub 60RA all done. 16x19 string bed in a larger head provides a bit more comfort but since I'm yet to try 16x19 TC95, I can't really compare.
Mirdad
Semi-Pro
Paul just answered my email and he said I should of received the RA63 as they have a good system to ensure the racquet is marked correctly by color coded pallets signifying what the RA is. I have an inquiry to him if he felt the TC97 or TC100 would be more comfortable. I'm thinking you might be right about the TC97 being a better feel even though the flex is higher. The TC97 is what I originally ordered but changed at the last minute.
Mirdad
Semi-Pro
You have a good point in that both the TC95 and TC100 will play similar. I think I should go with the TC 97
Mirdad
Semi-Pro
Stan, Paul confirmed I got the 63RA. I"m pretty sure he is correct as the racquet did possess a heavier swing weight which is common on the lower RA racquets. I had no problem with the swing weight as I enjoyed the decent stability. I found it to swing easy, just was not comfortable on my arm. Keep in mind, my shoulder is prone to feel sore if the racquet is too stiff.
Mirdad
Semi-Pro
I'm going to sell my TC95 63RA 16x19 if anyone is interested. I will be posting it for the general TW public within the hour. I would be into swapping for a TC97 depending upon the specs.
topspn
Legend
I have played with TC95 in 63 and 70RA as well as TC100 in 63 and 70 RA. None of these frames are super stiff or harsh at all. They have a firm response and are not noodly. The 70RA is firmer but i played it when i was rehabbing my elbow so it is not harsh. Nothing anywhere close to picking up and aero pro for instance. So I have no idea what is going on with your racquet.
Before you do that on one hitting session, I'd recommend a little string experimentation first. I have been dealing with wicked tennis elbow and have not found NXT to be very friendly. I went from a DR98 to a TC95 16x19 and my arm improved immediately. I'm using Tonic +ball feel mains at 50 pounds and Ashaway Monogut ZX Pro crosses at 52 pounds. Could even drop a couple more pounds each. Monogut is way softer than NXT on my arm. The smaller head and higher spin potential of the TC95 lend itself to lower tensions. The racquet is very string sensitive...but once I got it right my arm was unbelievably happy! Like 3 hours of baseline bomber happy
just my 2 cents. You're the best judge of you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
haqq777
Legend
Coming from playing with Babolats for over a decade, I can concur with what @topspn is saying. I own two 70RA Custom TC100 and none have given me any harsh feelings. Both are still considerably softer than my Pure Aero, Aeropro Drives and Pure Drives. The 70 RA plays a bit firmer as compared to other Angells in my experience, but is very comfortable on the arm. I had both 70RA TC100 measured on Babolat RDC and their RA came out to 65.
Perhaps, if you can, try experimenting with strings a bit? And the tension too. In my experience, these two factors have potential to change the entire dynamics of the stick at times.
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Mirdad
Semi-Pro
Thanks for the suggestion Hoosh. I am also thinking my stringer has strung my racquet much tighter than I'm used to. He uses a continuous pull machine and even he states that it often strings a tighter tension percentage of around 5%. I did notice the racquet felt a little better after it loosened up. I will definitely try a different set up.Before you do that on one hitting session, I'd recommend a little string experimentation first. I have been dealing with wicked tennis elbow and have not found NXT to be very friendly. I went from a DR98 to a TC95 16x19 and my arm improved immediately. I'm using Tonic +ball feel mains at 50 pounds and Ashaway Monogut ZX Pro crosses at 52 pounds. Could even drop a couple more pounds each. Monogut is way softer than NXT on my arm. The smaller head and higher spin potential of the TC95 lend itself to lower tensions. The racquet is very string sensitive...but once I got it right my arm was unbelievably happy! Like 3 hours of baseline bomber happy
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Thanks
Mirdad
Semi-Pro
Topspn, it must be my string set up. 53# does not sound very tight but I have switched to a new stringer who uses a continuous pull machine. He admitted that his machine strings as much as 5% tighter. I can barely move the strings around on my racquet. I did notice that at the end of the hitting session the racquet softened up a bit. I'll take the suggestions here and redo my string setup at lower tensions as I'm sure that should make the difference.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
What I would also do @Mirdad is try to just gently stand on the string bed... just a bit (do it on carpet so you don't scratch the racquet)... That tends to loosen the string bed (the pros do it sometimes when on court, if they feel the stringer made it too tight or the tension is wrong or too firm)... sometimes, especially when new, the first stringing can feel a bit tighter and also perhaps give the frame some time to adjust to being strung... Combine those two and on the next hit, it may feel much better...
Mirdad
Semi-Pro
Thanks Classic. I"m sure it's gotta be the strings. Great minds think alike.......I"ve been gently stepping on my strings on the carpet to loosen them up. The problem I've had with stringing multifilaments at less than 50# is that they move around way too much. I have been able to go with polys like RPM Blast at 38# and have enjoyed the pocketing feel of the ball. I did not experience hardly any pocketing feel with the NXT strings so I'm pretty sure they are too tight. Since the racquet does not have a visible flex label on it, I assumed I received the wrong rating. However, as I've stated in a previous post, Paul has a good quality system employed to ensure this does not occur. I'll probably hit with it again Monday morning and should experience a better result. I think this racquet will be dynamite once I configure the right string set up.
Thanks,
topspn
Legend
Just for reference, I strung my TC95 with full
Poly @45lbs
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
No probs... As mentioned by @Hoosh, the Ashaway Monogut ZX, or one of the hybrid options, as well as, Babolat Origin (either 16 or 17 gauge), have more spin and are softer than the NXT string. Those could be options... as well as many others...
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
Agreed I have a lot of bespoke stuff but usually it isnt by some status brand... usually its because they can make me what I really want so I can forget about the object in question and concentrate on performance...
1990's Graphite
Hall of Fame
How does the upper hoop feel with the 18x20 TC 97? Is there access to power on tap with the serve like with the 95s? How well does full poly play in this frame at low tensions?
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Feels solid. Not too flexy.
Yes. Very nice frame on serve.
Fantastic. Thats the way to string it, imo
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joohan
Guest
Denser for flat hitting, open for topspin. Hitting flat is not that effective on clay (unless you hit like DelPo at US Open 2009).
Mr. Backhand
New User
I like my new racket: Angell Custom TC100 RA63, 300 g/325 mm. Yonex Polytour Pro 1.20 23 kg.
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topspn
Legend
My first match with YPTS on 63RA TC100 happened to be a doubles match. Comfort was not a factor, this is a comfortable string at least @50lbs on my frame. It played a bit more lively then RS but feel was quite good. Volleys felt connected and pretty good directional control. Serves were heavy and overall more effective then RS. Ground strokes seemed to have a higher launch angle then RS but given this was mixed doubles I don’t want to judge much here. I need to play singles to really check out this string. Overall, I like it but it's not a clear winer so far over RS.
ollinger
G.O.A.T.
odd example of flat hitting that was effective on clay
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joohan
Guest
Example of flat hitting that would be effective on clay (against modern clay courters, of course). Even big hitting Soderling was playing with healthy topspin in his prime. No way around it on clay.
ace18
Professional
I had my 3rd outing with my TC100, played singles points and a set. This racquet continues to impress. I'm hitting my BH better than with the PS97, this shot is the most improved with the racquet. My FH has a little more pace but much better depth, less short balls, and a more consistent response off the string bed. The stability of the racquet is what stands out the most to me. I know this could be honeymoon period but I'm very close to ordering second. I let my buddy hit with the TC, he plays the Aero Pro Drive + and has for years, he said, I might have to switch. I used my PS97 while he tried out the TC and it still hit a great ball but was so sluggish in comparison. I really like the RS Lyon string. I hit pretty flat so I thought the rounded poly would have an impact on the topspin I generate, but I generate plenty when I choose to do so.