93's with forgiveness and spin!?!?

mnttlrg

mnttlrg

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What are the best spinning rackets 95 and under that still have the very high levels of control and plow that you would expect?

What about for sweet spot / forgiveness?

Yesterday I got to hit with my friend's Youtek (IG?) Prestige mid, and to my surprise, a lot of the dealbreakers with 93's weren't there. It was a really interesting playtest for me.

I got surprisingly functional spin (like a 6 instead of a 3), and when I hit off the sweet spot, it still gave me a playable ball. I even got a tad bit of power on a normal shot, which may be due to the higher flex rating.

When I've hit with newer 93 rackets, I actually got less spin with the 16 mains, and anything that wasn't perfect contact was weak and dead.

Do I have a fundamental misunderstanding of where spin comes from, in particular for a hard hitter?

What other rackets should I look at and/or avoid?

Thanks!




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Simon_the_furry

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mnttlrg said:
What are the best spinning rackets 95 and under that still have the very high levels of control and plow that you would expect?

What about for sweet spot / forgiveness?

Yesterday I got to hit with my friend's Youtek (IG?) Prestige mid, and to my surprise, a lot of the dealbreakers with 93's weren't there. It was a really interesting playtest for me.

I got surprisingly functional spin (like a 6 instead of a 3), and when I hit off the sweet spot, it still gave me a playable ball. I even got a tad bit of power on a normal shot, which may be due to the higher flex rating.

When I've hit with newer 93 rackets, I actually got less spin with the 16 mains, and anything that wasn't perfect contact was weak and dead.

Do I have a fundamental misunderstanding of where spin comes from, in particular for a hard hitter?

What other rackets should I look at and/or avoid?

Thanks!




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Get yourself a Prestige Mid. It's an excellent stick.
 
Dartagnan64

Dartagnan64

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93P is forgiving but not the most spin friendly stick. I would say it gets decent spin. But it is a control beast due to its balance and 18x20 stringed. Point and shoot.
 
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joohan

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PB10 is a great stick, very fast with very good spin potential. Only downside is it's a bit unstable and wobbly towards top of the head. One of very few midsize sticks with low 320s SW stock.
 
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scotus

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Check out older Prince 90s (i.e., 93), such as Exo3 Graphite (16x18), POG Mid (14x18) and a host of others (CTS line comes to mind).
 
Anton

Anton

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joohan said:
PB10 is a great stick, very fast with very good spin potential. Only downside is it's a bit unstable and wobbly towards top of the head. One of very few midsize sticks with low 320s SW stock.
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Bingo. And unfortunately lead doesn't fix this oddity.

Leaded up 93P is rock solid though.
 
Power Player

Power Player

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93 P has no deadspot at the tip. The spin is good for a mid, but it is an 18x20.

Honestly, sounds like you may be looking for something that does not exist. I would demo a 93P and the latest Head 93 graphene.
93P has the plow and sweetspot you are looking for.

I would try and track down a Yonex mid if possible as well. That may actually be the meal ticket for you.They are just hard to find now.
 
Tommy Haas

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Small head racquets cut through the air faster which increases RHS which is ultimately what generates spin. I wonder how fast this Toalson cuts through the air.

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smalahove

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scotus said:
Check out older Prince 90s (i.e., 93), such as Exo3 Graphite (16x18), POG Mid (14x18) and a host of others (CTS line comes to mind).
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My 14x18 Graphite Pro 90's are very forgiving for the size (which are 93 as Scotus points out), and produce more spin than say the PS97S or 6.1 95S, whilst offering the same level of control. Not that it's any better/worse, but it's a racket that doesn't have a modern counterpart (the PS97S and PS95S being the closest).
 
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joohan

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Power Player said:
93 P has no deadspot at the tip. The spin is good for a mid, but it is an 18x20.

Honestly, sounds like you may be looking for something that does not exist. I would demo a 93P and the latest Head 93 graphene.
93P has the plow and sweetspot you are looking for.

I would try and track down a Yonex mid if possible as well. That may actually be the meal ticket for you.They are just hard to find now.
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Quite a lot of them at Stringforum for sale section recently. 89T that is.
 
Zlatni

Zlatni

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kenyee said:
Elaborate on "more forgiving"?
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It has a larger sweet spot.
For my game it is easier to change direction of a rally.
Lower power in upper hoop is easily remedied with 2 grams at 10 and 2.
If you hit higher in a stringbed I would suggest 93p. If you tend to hit center and lower pb10 has better response.


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Kozzy

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Put some low-strung poly in the PB10 Mid, and it's a spin machine, and quite comfortable. I loaned mine to a guy I play with and his shots started jumping off the court significantly more than before - made him harder to play (my mistake - I was glad when he gave it back!). I like it around 40lb. With that said, I keep going back to my Angell TC90s with a similar string setup. Not as spinny but more pop, great feel/control, and just so fun to play with.
 
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Moppet52

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I purchased both a 93P and the latest Graphene Touch Prestige Mid. I chose to switch to the Head Prestige Mid. I think spin was marginally better, but for me I was able to get more easy depth with the Prestige Mid and for me it was more predictable. However, I did really enjoy the 93P.
 
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stephenclown

Professional
Kozzy said:
Put some low-strung poly in the PB10 Mid, and it's a spin machine, and quite comfortable. I loaned mine to a guy I play with and his shots started jumping off the court significantly more than before - made him harder to play (my mistake - I was glad when he gave it back!). I like it around 40lb. With that said, I keep going back to my Angell TC90s with a similar string setup. Not as spinny but more pop, great feel/control, and just so fun to play with.
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Regret selling mine but I had a bit of discomfort with it, so probably best not to push it too much. If it was the 63RA version would be absolute bliss though, that dwell time would have been welcomed. Not feeling any of the issues with the Prince 93P and the feel is just exceptional but different from the TC90. The 90 with full gut at 58 or so is just amazing, highly recommend trying it out.
 
Zlatni

Zlatni

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kenyee said:
Not according to the TW review data...the PP93P has a wider sweetspot. The lead at 10/2 must be helping enlarge your sweet spot...or you're used to hitting near the bottom vs. near the top?
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I have no problem hitting a ball on the axis, so wider sweetspot does not help me much.
And I do hit a ball lower on the stringbed, I think I might have said that earlier. 93p has a nasty wibe when hitting there. That is why I prefer pb10.
I actually purposely use top of the stringbed on pb10 when I have to execute a short angle shot, as it has a lower powered response. It really works for me, where 93p does not.
Maybe I got an off spec frame, but with just 2g at 10 and 2 the pb10 feels solid as a rock.
Litmus year for me is turning an incoming cross court backhand down the line at will- with pb10 that is easy for me to do, while with 93p I am just spraying balls all over.

Actually the best mid for me is Head Ventoris 600. Great feel, and no dead spots anywhere. Too bad no one makes graphite/fiberglass/kevlar wide body mids any more. Power, feel and control

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Tommy Haas

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NuBas said:
How old is that racquet. It looks like the new RF97.
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That's the infamous Sweet Area 280 training racquet. It has a 60" head size and probably cuts through the air almost as fast as a racquet ball frame. It's been available for years. The Sweet Area 320 is even more ridiculous having a 60" head and weighing 320 grams.
 
NuBas

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Tommy Haas said:
That's the infamous Sweet Area 280 training racquet. It has a 60" head size and probably cuts through the air almost as fast as a racquet ball frame. It's been available for years. The Sweet Area 320 is even more ridiculous having a 60" head and weighing 320 grams.
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Super interesting! I have never heard of it before, are any threads discussing these odd racquets? I actually might get one.
 
Winners or Errors

Winners or Errors

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Volkl's 93 headsize is just about perfect for me, but I don't have Volkl's. I have the Becker London Tour, which is basically an 18x20 version of the Volkl 10 mids. I think that head shape/size is worth trying if you want a 93.
 
asifallasleep

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If you've got the strokes, the iPrestige Mid's are spin machines and whippy as all heck. Also the PT630's or PT280's, not as whippy but also spin monsters, ask Guga.

Also, once you get used to it, the RF97 plays like a 95 IMO. Tons of control, power and spin.
 
PrinceMoron

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joohan said:
PB10 is a great stick, very fast with very good spin potential. Only downside is it's a bit unstable and wobbly towards top of the head. One of very few midsize sticks with low 320s SW stock.
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It fluttered like mad till leaded up to 397g
Still swung fast even at that weight


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mhkeuns

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Another vote for the PB10. I get the best kick on my serves serving with that stick. Love it from the baseline, too. To me, the PB10 is a modern classic. It plays as nicely in feel and offers controlas much control as the classic rackets from the 80’s and is more forgiving with loads of spin potential. Loving the stick right now.
 
Anton

Anton

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mnttlrg said:
What are the best spinning rackets 95 and under that still have the very high levels of control and plow that you would expect?

What about for sweet spot / forgiveness?

Yesterday I got to hit with my friend's Youtek (IG?) Prestige mid, and to my surprise, a lot of the dealbreakers with 93's weren't there. It was a really interesting playtest for me.

I got surprisingly functional spin (like a 6 instead of a 3), and when I hit off the sweet spot, it still gave me a playable ball. I even got a tad bit of power on a normal shot, which may be due to the higher flex rating.

When I've hit with newer 93 rackets, I actually got less spin with the 16 mains, and anything that wasn't perfect contact was weak and dead.

Do I have a fundamental misunderstanding of where spin comes from, in particular for a hard hitter?

What other rackets should I look at and/or avoid?

Thanks!

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My P93 got totaly rock solid with a few cents of lead(12.3oz, 7hl ~350SW) and 19/18g poly at low tension. Matters little where you land the ball on the strings and produces solid spin (though not high launch).
 
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QuadCam

QuadCam

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As mentioned previously, older Prince graphite variants that were 95sqin with the 14x18 pattern were devastating in the doin department! And of course, they were Prince graphites... So they had the flex and control, too.

My favorites were the titanium Chang midplus Longbody.
 
li0scc0

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Donnay made Xenecore 94's with 16 mains that were very forgiving and spin friendly. I used them extensively in 2012 with very good success (fantastic serving racquets).
I realize 94 does not equal 93, but, to be fair, a Volkl 93 is not equal to a Wilson 93 is not equal to a Prince 93, etc.
 
flanker2000fr

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I have been playing with the Prince 93P for 3 weeks, and find it quite forgiving for a smaller frame.

Spin: not as good on groundstrokes as a DR98, with a lower launch angle (which suits my game better), but my opponents find that my kick serve, which is already a strong suit in my game, is even better since I switched. I string it with Hyper G 17 at 48lbs.
 
shamaho

shamaho

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Prince usually has a rounder shape of the head and if you superimpose a 93 head size Prince on top of several 95 head size rackets, you'll notice that the width of the Prince 93 head (pog mid, and others) is very very close to the a 95 aq inch...

so I personally consider the Princes 93 (any model) almost as a regular 95...
 
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