Highest measurable performance peak in tennis

Highest performance peak

  • Djokovic

    Votes: 49 40.8%

  • Federer

    Votes: 54 45.0%

  • Nadal

    Votes: 23 19.2%
  • Total voters
    120
Strale

Strale

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Many times i stumble upon the arguments that Federer or Djokovic achieved the highest tennis peak performance in history...

From my point of view both sides have a decent case for a discussion but in my own opinion i think that Novak has a stronger case...

Main reasons for my conlusion are :

1.Highest atp poinst won
2.Highest elo rating
3.Most titles won in a single season
4.Argubly strongest competition on field


Those are the facts that i consider to be the main factor of my position...I wont use eye test argument because for me Djokovic played the strongest tennis and for someone else Federer did...Both are right or wrong depending on perspective.

Edit: criteria is full season,wining fashion (withiut droping a set etc.).


I would like to hear opinions on this topic from other people here.
 
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Biotic

Biotic

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Kralingen

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
What parameters are we talking?? Peak year? Peak Slam? Peak match? Peak set?

This is a completely incoherent thread lol

I could say the peak of tennis was Jo Wilfried Tsonga AO ‘08 SF and there’s absolutely nothing anyone could do to actually dispute that. Now if we talk over a full season I still think Mac’s 1984, for the time and technology available, is even better than Fed or Djokovic’s 2006/2015…
 
Strale

Strale

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Over a full season and also include a difficulty of wining tournaments like without droping a set etc...
 
ffw2

ffw2

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Kralingen said:
What parameters are we talking?? Peak year? Peak Slam? Peak match? Peak set?

This is a completely incoherent thread lol

I could say the peak of tennis was Jo Wilfried Tsonga AO ‘08 SF and there’s absolutely nothing anyone could do to actually dispute that. Now if we talk over a full season I still think Mac’s 1984, for the time and technology available, is even better than Fed or Djokovic’s 2006/2015…
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The logic lacks a bit of pace. Maybe only 120mph or so. (n)
 
Strale

Strale

Semi-Pro
Kralingen said:
What parameters are we talking?? Peak year? Peak Slam? Peak match? Peak set?

This is a completely incoherent thread lol

I could say the peak of tennis was Jo Wilfried Tsonga AO ‘08 SF and there’s absolutely nothing anyone could do to actually dispute that. Now if we talk over a full season I still think Mac’s 1984, for the time and technology available, is even better than Fed or Djokovic’s 2006/2015…
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Just state who do you think that had a highest peak during a single season and state your reasons...
 
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Ray Mercer

Hall of Fame
Strale said:
Many times i stumble upon the arguments that Federer or Djokovic achieved the highest tennis peak performance in history...

From my point of view both sides have a decent case for a discussion but in my own opinion i think that Novak has a stronger case...

Main reasons for my conlusion are :

1.Highest atp poinst won
2.Highest elo rating
3.Most titles won in a single season
4.Argubly strongest competition on field


Those are the facts that i consider to be the main factor of my position...I wont use eye test argument because for me Djokovic played the strongest tennis and for someone else Federer did...Both are right or wrong depending on perspective.

Edit: criteria is full season,wining fashion (withiut droping a set etc.).


I would like to hear opinions on this topic from other people here.
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You have to be one of the most one sided posters on this board. Every single one of your posts praises Djokovic and cuts down Federer. Give it a break pal.
 
Strale

Strale

Semi-Pro
Ray Mercer said:
You have to be one of the most one sided posters on this board. Every single one of your posts praises Djokovic and cuts down Federer. Give it a break pal.
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If you discard obvious trolling pls quote me on one of my previous posts where i claimed without evidence that Djokovic is superior and Federer inferior..

We can elaborate on that
 
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TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Peak match or peak season on covers a fraction of the player's entire peak years performance.

A player has multiple years playing at their peak and I think a player should be measure by their performances/results base on their best years.

Federer has set the bench mark between 2004-2007 and no player comes close to his peak performance. Numbers don't lie
 
Strale

Strale

Semi-Pro
TMF said:
Peak match or peak season on covers a fraction of the player's entire peak years performance.

A player has multiple years playing at their peak and I think a player should be measure by their performances/results base on their best years.

Federer has set the bench mark between 2004-2007 and no player comes close to his peak performance. Numbers don't lie
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Again Novak achieved greater elo rating,greater amount of tournaments won and greater amount of points won,not to mention competition which was far more difficult...

In your case Numbers do lie...My post was about single season since i wanted to measure absolute peak of performance...Dominating across 4 years is something entirely else...

My counter argument would be lets measure a decade of domination...I am quite sure it is in a favor of Novak.
 
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Daniel Andrade

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In a single season Djoko 2011 has to be up there, however federer 2006 was too brutal.

The difference for me is that Djoko 2011 was simply kicking Nadal so much that that might give him a plus
 
T

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Strale said:
Again Novak achieved greater elo rating,greater amount of tournaments won and greater amount of points won,not to mention competition which was far more difficult...

In your case Numbers do lie...My post was about single season since i wanted to measure absolute peak of performance...Dominating across 4 years is something entirely else...

My counter argument would be lets measure a decade of domination...I am quite sure it is in a favor of Novak.
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Elo rating is misleading/deceiving. It has been debunked many times on this forum.

LOL at the bolded part. Federer's highest level of dominance in 2004-2007 is pure facts, not lie. I've already said 1 peak year is not a good indicator, because players typically has multiple peak years in his career. Evaluate a player's multiple peak years performances/results is more complete thus makes more sense.
 
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lucky13

Semi-Pro
Strale said:
1.Highest atp poinst won
2.Highest elo rating
3.Most titles won in a single season
4.Argubly strongest competition on field
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best year W15-RG16: 4 slams, WTF, 5 masters + 3 finals + 2 MM tournaments (31 top10 W)
best season 2015: 3 slams + F, WTF, 6 masters + 2 finals + 2 MM (31 top10 W)
strongest streak (DC F 10 - RG SF 11) - 43 W on all surfaces (DC, AO, dubai, IW, miami, belgrade, madrid, rome)

peak:
https://www.ultimatetennisstatistic...or=4&bestEloRatingFactor=4&bestSeasonFactor=4

RankNamePts
1Novak Djokovic1118
2Roger Federer1022
3Rafael Nadal937

minimalist peak:
https://www.ultimatetennisstatistic...ctor=0&performanceFactor=0&statisticsFactor=0

RankNamePts
1Novak Djokovic54
2Bjorn Borg51
3John McEnroe34
4Rafael Nadal30
5Roger Federer29
 
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TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Daniel Andrade said:
Why is elo rating misleading?
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Read this thread. A lot of flaws about ELO and no one should take it seriously

The joys of ELO

Elo seems to be one of the more popular ratings systems used on this board, especially by certain Novak apologists. It has been used to determine not only peak level but also the level of competition faced by a given player. While I'm not saying the system is total garbage, I thought it'd be...
tt.tennis-warehouse.com tt.tennis-warehouse.com
 
Strale

Strale

Semi-Pro
TMF said:
Elo rating is misleading/deceiving. It has been debunked many times on this forum.

LOL at the bolded part. Federer's highest level of dominance in 2004-2007 is pure facts, not lie. I've already said 1 peak year is not a good indicator, because players typically has multiple peak years in his career. Evaluate a player's multiple peak years performances/results is more complete thus makes more sense.
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Completely out of point reply...I am not interested in mental gymnastics today.
 
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