Outbeyond
Legend
I hope the outcome at this USO equals the outcome of last year's.:twisted:
The final, of course...hope you recall that one!
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I hope the outcome at this USO equals the outcome of last year's.:twisted:
The final, of course...hope you recall that one!
Telepatic
Legend
Ico
Hall of Fame
Looking forward to a Federer-Dodig final.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Mustard
Bionic Poster
I hope Nadal is ready for the US Open. To be able to beat this Djokovic, he's going to have to be rock solid and clutch as far as his mental game goes. It looks very tough indeed.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
LOL. What's this?
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aprilfool
Guest
Well Nadal is, that is for certain. The match of the year remains Federer/Djokovic semi at the French. (and not just because Federer became the only person to defeat him this year
) ps.. some rather gentle payback for '09
Clarky21
Banned
Maybe,but with no competition for him,he really isn't having to work very hard for his wins. I think his movement will hold up much better than Nadal's because Novak doesn't have to work as hard for his wins. He actually hits through the court instead of spinning the ball like a top constantly,forcing himself to retrieve like a dog. Novak also has the best backhand in the world so he isn't constantly running around it like Nadal has to because his backhand is so weak,so that's less wear and tear on his body as well. I see Novak dominating tennis easily for at least the next 3-4 years.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Mustard
Bionic Poster
The match of the year remains Federer/Djokovic semi at the French. (and not just because Federer became the only person to defeat him this year
Agreed, especially the first set. Nadal vs. del Potro at Wimbledon I liked from a drama perspective. It had all sorts of emotions, ups and downs etc.
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TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
To do that Nadal will have to play at a higher level than he even did at the UsO 2010...
Also on faster courts, his ROS gets exposed, which is what we saw against Dodig (and last yr against Troicki, Fed etc).
So Nadal has to worry about others as well, before penning himself in the final against Djoko..
Outbeyond
Legend
Well Nadal is, that is for certain. The match of the year remains Federer/Djokovic semi at the French. (and not just because Federer became the only person to defeat him this year
Nadal needs to knock off the doom and gloom and get back to work! There are more GS's to be won.
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aprilfool
Guest
^^ True. That was quite a dramatic match as well!
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
That he was getting badly beaten and the ump answered that wasn't a reason for medical treatment
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
LOL! Professionalism at it's finest (sarcasm).
True. No idea how long he can keep it up. Probably not 4-5 yrs. But 2 yrs wouldn't surprise me - he has his diet dialed in and his confidence is through the roof. He may have to adjust his schedule (e.g. play one or two less tournaments) to try to maximize it.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Nadal needs to knock off the doom and gloom and get back to work! There are more GS's to be won.
The challenge is there for Nadal. Djokovic is the standard at the moment. Nadal needs to relish the challenge.
JumpSmash
Rookie
If Djokovic can maintain the level of play of the last couple of nights, he is the clear favorite over Nadal at the USO. I cannot believe that I just made such a statement considering how Nadal seemed invincible all these years. How tennis as changed and I am so delighted! Go No1e!
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aprilfool
Guest
lol. Novak looked a bit p****** off.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
If Djokovic can maintain the level of play of the last couple of nights, he is the clear favorite over Nadal at the USO. I cannot believe that I just made such a statement considering how Nadal seemed invincible all these years. How tennis as changed and I am so delighted! Go No1e!
Djokovic is the clear favourite for the US Open as far as betting odds go. He was the favourite to win the US Open at the start of this Montreal tournament, so he must have even shorter odds now.
Outbeyond
Legend
I agree.......
JumpSmash
Rookie
That too
Tsonga actually said that to the ump? :shock: Hilarious!
I hope you are joking and not being too gullible. The poster must obviously be joking. There is no way a professional tennis player will utter such a ridiculous statement.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
It's a apples and oranges comparison IMO. 2008 Nadal was a better player than the current Djokovic on clay and grass. On hardcourts, Djokovic has always been superior.
While Djoko gets more penetration of his groundies than Nadal does, he also slides like crazy on hardcourts. His game depends on not missing and being consistent, rather than having a killer shot.
I think one CLEAR advantage that Djoko has over Nadal is that he schedules with a BRAIN. Even this year, he's been very clever with his calender, in skipping many events and ensuring he's in peak conditions at slams. He thinks long term.
In contrast, the Nadal camp thinking has always been short term. At his peak in 2008 (and earlier) Nadal played every tournament known to man, and thereby f*** his knees. Even this year, Nadal has played more matches than Djoko..
So yeah, Djoko might last 3 yrs or so in his prime, if he schedules prudently (as he's done this yr)..
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
Fish to get it done in two tight sets tomorrow. 7-6(6) 7-6 (4)
Clarky21
Banned
How can he relish the challenge? No offense but that is just ridiculous. He is incapable of beating Djokovic. We have seen him lose 5 straight finals to the guy this year alone. With a few of those being in pathetic fashion. Nadal is clearly not capable of stopping the bleeding so it will only get worse.
Clarky21
Banned
Not hardly. :lol:
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celoft
Guest
If Djokovic can maintain the level of play of the last couple of nights, he is the clear favorite over Nadal at the USO. I cannot believe that I just made such a statement considering how Nadal seemed invincible all these years. How tennis as changed and I am so delighted! Go No1e!
Nadal is going to have to improve his serve, ROS, BH and become more aggressive to have a chance against Nole 2.0
Nadal's current game won't suffice.
Federer needs to avoid big hitters at the USO before he gets to Nole, that's if Fed is in Nole's half as usual
JumpSmash
Rookie
You hit the nail on the head concerning Nadal's mental game. When I analyze Nadal's and Djokovic's game, I see no reason why Rafa cannot beat No1vak. Sure, Rafa's BH might be a little weaker but it is not as big a liability as Fed's BH. Rafa still has awesome movement and can run around the BH to hit DTL. He just inexplicably makes more errors than usual against No1e and becomes tentative at the business end of sets. Being a No1vak fan, I hope this continues for years to come!
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Mustard
Bionic Poster
There's an old saying, if at first you don't succeed, try, try and try again. It's essential that Nadal relishes the challenge. If he doesn't fancy the challenge of attempting to dethrone this Djokovic, it isn't going to go well for Rafa.
Outbeyond
Legend
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Rafa just needs to adopt Vitas Gerulaitis's attitude and declare, "No-one beats Rafa Nadal SIX times in a row!"
Outbeyond
Legend
I love dramatic tennis talk.
lol.....enough for this evening. On to the PGA championship sum-up!
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Rafa just needs to adopt Vitas Gerulaitis's attitude and declare, "No-one beats Rafa Nadal SIX times in a row!"
That's the spirit
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celoft
Guest
Murray has the tools and the variety to beat this Nole. He was serving for match on his worst surface in Rome SF this year. Not sure in a slam final though.... Right now I can only see Federer and maybe Murray beating Nole 2.0
Clarky21
Banned
ah, Clarky!
Sylvia Browne is that you? Lol.
Clarky21
Banned
I think Murray can do it too,but his mental strength is highly suspect as we witnessed in that Rome semi this year. Andy had two chances to serve it out and blew both of them in spectacular fashion. He is a mental midget,and that's the reason I think he will not beat Djokovic.
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celoft
Guest
Everybody has been a mental midget vs. Nole. Except for Federer and his extraordinary SF performance at the FO.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Normally I 'd agree with you but Murray's form on hard courts this year since the AO has been diabolical. In all 4 hard court tournaments he's played post AO ie. Rotterdam,Indian Wells, Miami and Montreal he's gone out in his opening match in straight sets! He's having by far his worst hard-court season ever.
I just hope he finally gets his act together at Cincy. If he doesn't, I think he will have left it too late to get it back for the USO.
Clarky21
Banned
True,but Murray's questionable mental strength goes back further than his matches against Djokovic. He has a habit of being mentally weak,which is why he has yet to win a slam when he should have won at least one a long time ago.
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DjokovicForTheWin
Banned
Does this mean an injured Tsonga beat Federer?
That's the complete opposite of the way to beat Djokovic. He struggles against changes of pace and players who close the net effectively.Sure, someone who hits big on both sides on a fast surface has a chance to beat him. But then, someone who can do that will beat pretty much anyone when they're red hot and not missing, which is basically how Del Potro won the USO. It's certainly not the only (or even the easiest) way to beat Djokovic.
FearOfTheDark
Rookie
Tsonga was 'injured' because he didn't want to get a bagel
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
Novak was simply unplayable at times against Tsonga. That return to get the first set was incredible. I hope Rafa isn't watching too much of this Nole, it does not look good if they play at the US Open, it could get really ugly for Rafa. I can see the gap increasing between the two of them now.
Novak v Fish. I stated in another thread, that I would really love to see Fish win. I enjoy his game. And he deserves a big title in his career. I don't know if he can be this Djokovic.
Novak v Fish. I stated in another thread, that I would really love to see Fish win. I enjoy his game. And he deserves a big title in his career. I don't know if he can be this Djokovic.
ARIARAIDEN
Rookie
Yes, but it was on his BEST Surface and AO 09 was on his WORST Surface and he played out of his mind.
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