2014-- New Juice Pro or No?

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kingcheetah

Hall of Fame
Opinion question here, I'm curious to hear feedback-- Will there be a new Juice Pro(the 96" Juice) for 2014? My initial suspicion is no because the 95" market for Wilson was already fairly crowded (PS 95, and the six ones-- the Juice didn't really have that much of a share of the market, and now Wilson is adding Spin versions of both the PS95 and the six one.)
If anyone has any info on this that would be great as well.
 
Blitzball

Blitzball

Professional
The answer is no. I've seen the entire line-up of new Wilson racquets for 2014 and the only new Juice will be the updated 100, which has a new paintjob and weighs around 11.3oz, slightly heavier than the current model.
 
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SFrazeur

Legend
Blitzball said:
The answer is no. I've seen the entire line-up of new Wilson racquets for 2014 and the only new Juice will be the updated 100, which has a new paintjob and weighs around 11.3oz, slightly heavier than the current model.
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I was told they are darkening the paint job to more navy to appeal to a more male demographic.
 
TW Staff

TW Staff

Administrator
No new Juice Pro in 2014.

There will be updated cosmetics and technologies on the new Juices and some new frames to the line.

Michelle, TW
 
Bartelby

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
They are reviewing a Juice 100 with standard and fifteen cross string patterns, so anymore Juices are probably lighter.
 
Fuji

Fuji

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When I was ordering in the new Wilson lines, the most exciting one was the S model. 16x15 and it looks like it is a total monster. Darker blue PJ is worlds ahead of the last juice line as well. I really like it.

-Fuji
 
Fuji

Fuji

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purple-n-gold said:
Juice 100s has my interest,any quess when they are going out to market?
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I was able to order a demo already, and I'm waiting for it to be shipped out by Wilson. I'm guessing probably soonish? I can't imagine it will be longer than spring if anything. I'll double check tomorrow if you are really interested. :)

-Fuji
 
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purple-n-gold

Hall of Fame
Thanks Fuji, interested in your thoughts on the frame! Would love to get my hands on a demo. Tried the Steam 99s and 105s and had a couple of good outings with both but never really jibed with the frame. I really like the Pure Drive type of frames and the old Juice 100 is very similiar.
 
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Torres

Banned
No new Juice Pro is a travesty. I think its one of the best racquets they've produced in years. Wilson completely screwed up its sales potential when they placed the racquet in with the Juice line, giving it a silly name and silly paint job. Should have been in a players stick category of its own somewhere between the Blades and the 6.1s.
 
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kingcheetah

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In my opinion Wilson has had a couple of different frames recently that have fizzled due to marketing... namely the Juice Pro and the Kobra Tour from a few years back...
 
TW Staff

TW Staff

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MauRod said:
Did you already have the opportunity to playtest the new Juice, Michelle?
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Yes! I've spent more time with the 100 over the 100 S, but am working on the 100 S review today, so if you guys have any questions -- fire away!

My overview on the Juice 100 -- it's comparable to a Pure Drive, lots of EASY access to power, pretty quick off the baseline, the stiffness rating is high but it isn't feeling too bad (to me). I also have some friends that are 3.5/4.0 players here at TW and they always ask for racquet suggestions and I've been suggesting this one out a lot to people because I feel like it is very easy to use and use well.

Michelle, TW
 
TW Staff

TW Staff

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Power Player said:
Michelle, how does the Juice 100S compare to the Steam 99s?
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The Juice 100S definitely has more easy power. The spin effect is relatively similar -- we would compare it closer to the Steam 105S based on the power the Juice provides (vs. the 99S' lower power level).

Also, a lot of our playtesters struggle at the net with the Steam 99S, but we all found the Juice 100S to perform very well (and easy to use) at the net with scores in the high 7s to mid 8s.

Hope that helps!

Michelle, TW
 
srvnvly

srvnvly

Hall of Fame
Michelle:

How is the swing weight and stability (twistweight) on the new model compare to the old?
 
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Torres

Banned


WRT7189_Juice_100_S_Front


WRT7189_Juice_100_S_Side
 
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Power Player

Power Player

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Torres, nice find. The site I saw it on lists the balance as 32cmm unstrung, but everything else you posted is the same. So that balance you have must be strung.
 
TW Staff

TW Staff

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srvnvly said:
Michelle:

How is the swing weight and stability (twistweight) on the new model compare to the old?
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Srvnvly,

The swing weight in this new one is slightly higher at 318 (although, as we are finding with many of the new racquets, each racquet's individual specs may vary!). And I find it to be similar in stability to the racquet it replaces.

Hope that helps!

Michelle, TW
 
Power Player

Power Player

Bionic Poster
TW Staff said:
Srvnvly,

The swing weight in this new one is slightly higher at 318 (although, as we are finding with many of the new racquets, each racquet's individual specs may vary!). And I find it to be similar in stability to the racquet it replaces.

Hope that helps!

Michelle, TW
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This keeps getting better - awesome.
 
g4driver

g4driver

Legend
Michele, has anyone at TW measured the flex of the Juice 100S?

Wish Wilson would find the heart to make a 300gram - 65-67 flex 16x15 99/100 frame.

Wilson makes the very light 274 gram Steam 99LS ( didn't care for it at all) even after modifying it to 335 grams strung), and a ProStaff 100LS with a 63 Flex.

Does Wilson every ask TW your thoughts on a 16x17 pattern 99 /100 inch frame ?

No it is not a Wilson Spin Effect - But Wilson makes 18x16 frames in the Blade 98S and Six.One and now the standard 16x19, 16x20, 18x19 and 18x20 patterns have new competition. I get what the less crosses are do, but I also get what they struggle with- high swingweight and 16x15 patterns make the volleys with a Steam 99S more problematic.

Lower swingweight and a few more crosses (16x17) seems would lead to more spin than the 16x19 frames, but also more control than the 16x15 patterns.

Love to hear the TW Professor's thoughts on a 16x17 pattern ? A pattern that I have never seen.
 
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g4driver

g4driver

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Nate at TW told me the Juice 100S has a 74 Flex - ouch - I cringed when he said "74"

Yes, I think the Steam 99S is stiff- a 74 Stiffness would leave me crippled for life if I hit a set with that frame. And no the 335 gram modified 274 gram unstrung Steam 99LS didn't cut it.

The Blade 98S got pretty mediocre reviews from the TW playtesters. And TW isn't playtesting the Steam 99LS, ProStaff 100LS since they are so light weight, no TW playtester would ever use these frames.

Wish the folks at TW could ask Wilson why they don't make a 98/99/100 square inch frame with 65-66 flex, 16x15 patterns, and 300 to 305 gram unstrung weight.

Prince made the new 100 Graphites because Chris told Prince guys were buying the Michael Change 28" Longbody's and cutting them down. Prince made the Graphite 100s in response.

Some guys like me who like the Steam 99S don't like the stiffness. You can't change the stiffness of any frame, with hacksaw, lead, tungsten or leather. Nor can you lower the swingweight of a given frame.

Wish someone at Wilson would read these comments and see the hole in their lineup in their Wilson Spin Effect Frames.

There is no 300-305 gram, 16x15, 98/99/100, 65-66 flex Wilson frame-

Come on Wilson - I have 8 Pro Opens and two Steam 99s - give us the 65-66 flex version of a 98/99/100 inch frame without a 330 swingweight but with a 16x15 pattern.

And no the Six.One 95S isn't a 98/99/100- make it a 98/99/100 and change the pattern to 16x15 and you could would have a winner.
 
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Power Player

Power Player

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The Juice 100S is in the TW racquet finder. The SW is listed at 320. TW Australia lists theirs with a SW of 310, but the static weight is a little less at 318. What I am seeing is that Wilson QC is bad as usual. Also, it matters what these sticks are strung with. Full 1.35 gauge poly compared to 1.25 poly is a 3 gram difference on my scale, and that affects the SW.

I think I will just ask TW for one that has a SW of 320 and move on with my life. lol.
 
TW Staff

TW Staff

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g4driver said:
Nate at TW told me the Juice 100S has a 74 Flex - ouch - I cringed when he said "74"

Yes, I think the Steam 99S is stiff- a 74 Stiffness would leave me crippled for life if I hit a set with that frame. And no the 335 gram modified 274 gram unstrung Steam 99LS didn't cut it.
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Yes, that is correct -- 74 on stiffness.

I wasn't on the Juice 100S playtest and didn't spend too much time with that racquet as it was way too powerful for me. Our playtesters did find this one to be powerful and despite the high stiffness rating, it wasn't too uncomfortable for anyone and they all agree it didn't feel like a 74 stiffness because of the very open string pattern and technology to keep the frame comfortable.

Michelle, TW
 
Power Player

Power Player

Bionic Poster
And you use a pure drive correct - So this racquet has more power than that?

Sounds like if you have the spin generation, then the racquet could be extremely deadly out there.
 
g4driver

g4driver

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TW Staff said:
Yes, that is correct -- 74 on stiffness.



I wasn't on the Juice 100S playtest and didn't spend too much time with that racquet as it was way too powerful for me. Our playtesters did find this one to be powerful and despite the high stiffness rating, it wasn't too uncomfortable for anyone and they all agree it didn't feel like a 74 stiffness because of the very open string pattern and technology to keep the frame comfortable.



Michelle, TW
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Thanks Michelle-

Jason seems to have very similar taste in frames as I do and he seems to be my best gauge from an play-tester when he comments on stiffness of a frame.

Maybe Wilson could market some frames for Jason ;)
 
TW Staff

TW Staff

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Power Player said:
And you use a pure drive correct - So this racquet has more power than that?

Sounds like if you have the spin generation, then the racquet could be extremely deadly out there.
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So my go-to is everything from a stock Pure Drive to a 12.6 Pure Drive Roddick -- the PD in stock form is very, very similar in power. In my opinion, the Juice feels like it is has easier access to power. I feel like I could use less effort to get depth and power with the Juice. However, they are so similar, it's going to come down to what feel you prefer and even string setup could be a big determining factor here as well.

Michelle, TW
 
Power Player

Power Player

Bionic Poster
Ok thanks Michelle. I am just going to preorder one as it sounds like this stick is a good fit coming from the Steam 99s. Plus I can get one of you fine folks to give me one with the right specs :)
 
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