Djokovic won most of his Slams in the last 5 years. 10 out of 17.
Probably the weakest era ever.
Must be very hard time at the Cult these days, ehhh...
Why not both?Or maybe...just MAYBE he is THAT good, huh? Mindblowing i know...
Why not both?
Maybe...just MAYBE he is THAT good to win 10 out of 17 slams in this weak era
Yeah I know, but you can always put some spray for that butthurt.The truth about the era with no young ATGs hurts, doesn't it?
No-one says it's Djokovic's fault, but you're wrong that Ferrero is weak competition. Ferrero is an ATG given his popularity as a humbly-priced chocolate.No era is ever weak! You can only beat the guy in front of you...its not your own fault everyone act as a punching bag for you these days...if Federer cult insist Djokovic's era is weak, then i insist his era is also weak ah with all thoise Blakes, Ferreros, Ferrers, Roddicks and Hewitts around...
No-one says it's Djokovic's fault, but you're wrong that Ferrero is weak competition. Ferrero is an ATG given his popularity as a humbly-priced chocolate.
Ferrer is a less Germanic version of Federer, which is why he is often referred to in some circles as Federer without the DE.
But even then Ferrero was never Federer's rival during his alleged peak 2004-07. Dude was completely MIA after the 2003 season.No-one says it's Djokovic's fault, but you're wrong that Ferrero is weak competition. Ferrero is an ATG given his popularity as a humbly-priced chocolate.
Ferrer is a less Germanic version of Federer, which is why he is often referred to in some circles as Federer without the DE.
...yepOh so that was sarcasm then...i see...sometimes i keep forgetting i am at the TTW and not on youtube...
Yeah I know, but you can always put some spray for that butthurt.
That's because he had to wait for a call from LindtBut even then Ferrero was never Federer's rival during his so called Peak 2004-07. Dude was completely MIA after the 2003 season.
Doctor Demento???I learned yesterday on TT that Tsitsipas and Fritz of 2020 are more talented than Djokovic and Nadal of 2010, because the 2020 players have much better technique. Since the poster is a doctor and scientist, I'm gonna trust him. So this is probably the strongest era ever.
Doctor Demento???
Let me see if I'm correct. We have three of the greatest ever winning 18/21 slams and it is the weakest era? .. yeah rightTo be fair, the weak years 2015-2020 has also granted Nadal 5 slams and Federer 3 slams.
Eye no sumwon hoo phits dat bill butt the Jackson 5 lacks the Diligence two compaire whiff hymn.I am no rat, but I can reveal that his name resembles a hook from a Jackson 5 song.
Eye no sumwon hoo phits dat bill butt the Jackson 5 lacks the Diligence two compaire whiff hymn.
Doctor Demento???
By the way, if NOle and Nadal need 26 to surpass Fedr, how many slams their successor need to surpass them? 32? Then 38? Then 44?....
I want the field get weaker and Nole keep vulturing from it ^^
Why? Because 50 years later people won't give a f to those stuffs. All they remember is 1. Nole's Slam count 2. 40-15
Actually this is more proof to weak era then the opposite.3 30+ year olds winning 18/21 slams is surely indicates something very weak.Let me see if I'm correct. We have three of the greatest ever winning 18/21 slams and it is the weakest era? .. yeah right
But it's the winners of 56 slams (and counting) we're talking about. It's the equal of slams won by Sampras, Borg, Lendl, Connors, Agassi and McEnroe put together.Actually this is more proof to weak era then the opposite.3 30+ year olds winning 18/21 slams is surely indicates something very weak.
Actually this is more proof to weak era then the opposite.3 30+ year olds winning 18/21 slams is surely indicates something very weak.
A true connoisseur of the game.I want the field get weaker and Nole keep vulturing from it ^^
Why? Because 50 years later people won't give a f to those stuffs. All they remember is 1. Nole's Slam count 2. 40-15
But this is implicit in the very problem we are discussing.But it's the winners of 56 slams (and counting) we're talking about. It's the equal of slams won by Sampras, Borg, Lendl, Connors, Agassi and McEnroe put together.
They're special and they can win at every age. Plus the age of players is higher at all levels these days. Here's a list of 42 players who receently reached their top50 best ranking in their late 30s or late 20s:
The quality of tennis comes second to numbers being cranked up as high as possible. He could get 7 W/O in a slam for all they care.We know. The entire Djoke fanbase hopes are based on people being either ignorant or forgetting.
What if they're too good? I'm not interested in circular arguments.But this is implicit in the very problem we are discussing.
We know. The entire Djoke fanbase hopes are based on people being either ignorant or forgetting.
I would be GOATY if any of them had the cojones to win 1
Then have fun going round and round your own.What if they're too good? I'm not interested in circular arguments.
Numbers, stats...: facts.
Weak, strong, aethestical, clumsy...: opinions.
History is the story of the victors. Ignorant, forgetting etc... don't exist.
If someone told you in 2009 that Djokovic is going to be ATG, you would've laughed. If someone told you he's going to win 17 slams, you'd think they're mental, even in 2011. Only from the point of view of today, you know that Djokovic is ATG.The truth about the era with no young ATGs hurts, doesn't it?
Wow that is badCompetition:
A 34-39 year old Federer
Nadal who is a sitting duck for him outside of clay
Wawrinka
Broken Hippay
No multiple Slam champions younger than him
Next Gen
My friend you're arguing with the people who in case of their idol winning the 2020 Wimbledon, will forget about the weak era in the same very second.Let me see if I'm correct. We have three of the greatest ever winning 18/21 slams and it is the weakest era? .. yeah right
Most Fed fans were happy to call that period weak.My friend you're arguing with the people who in case of their idol winning the 2020 Wimbledon, will forget about the weak era in the same very second.
The same people who've enjoyed the 2017 and the first part of 2018 very much and didn't complain a zlich about "the bad state in tennis". The hypocrisy is strong with the Meastronian cult.
Let's them have their butthurt. It's very amusing i have to say.
If someone told you in 2009 that Djokovic is going to be ATG, you would've laughed. If someone told you he's going to win 17 slams, you'd think they're mental, even in 2011. Only from the point of view of today, you know that Djokovic is ATG.
Thiem can end up his career with multiple slams. I mean guy would've had a couple already if not for best clay-courter in history. He eliminated Novak from RG twice and took him to 5 sets in Novak's best slam. No one knows with how many slams will Tsitsipas, Felix, Medvedev etc end up. All that we can say for certain is that "lost" gen failed to produce a player of big 3's caliber. But that would be a tough ask for any period in tennis history.
My friend you're arguing with the people who in case of their idol winning the 2020 Wimbledon, will forget about the weak era in the same very second.
The same people who've enjoyed the 2017 and the first part of 2018 very much and didn't complain a zlich about "the bad state in tennis". The hypocrisy is strong with the Meastronian cult.
Let's them have their butthurt. It's very amusing i have to say.
Hey Lew, could you re-post, but this time including all those that were top 5 at some stage in their careers. E.g. Federer at AO'17, was ranked 17, yes?... but we all know he played at a much higher level than that.Slam finals won against non-top5:
Federer 12
Nadal 5
Djokovic 3
If someone told you in 2009 that Djokovic is going to be ATG, you would've laughed. If someone told you he's going to win 17 slams, you'd think they're mental, even in 2011. Only from the point of view of today, you know that Djokovic is ATG.
Thiem can end up his career with multiple slams. I mean guy would've had a couple already if not for best clay-courter in history. He eliminated Novak from RG twice and took him to 5 sets in Novak's best slam. No one knows with how many slams will Tsitsipas, Felix, Medvedev etc end up. All that we can say for certain is that "lost" gen failed to produce a player of big 3's caliber. But that would be a tough ask for any period in tennis history.
That is a fallacy of bad analogy. Mr. Federer had reached 0 Slam finals in 2000. Mr. Thiem has already reached 3 Slam finals. 2019 Thiem has proven more than 2000 Federer.That doesn't make sense. Federer wasn't an ATG level competition in 2000. No one who understands tennis thinks that. That is not about not having showed potential. That is about actually fulfilling that potential, when having the chance of doing so. Even Djokovic's own fans don't think the Djokovic was an ATG competition in 2009. If you do, you are one of the few (and that is after he has already won a Major title, which the current gen has not).
Hey Lew, could you re-post, but this time including all those that were top 5 at some stage in their careers. E.g. Federer at AO'17, was ranked 17, yes?... but we all know he played at a much higher level than that.
Edit: Ivanisevic won Wimby 2001 unseeded. Do we really believe that he played that tournament as though he was ranked 100+? Or he actually played at a top 5 level?