2022 Roland Garros Draw

[The_Order]

Sorry, which 2008 RG SF did Nadal have to save a SP against Choco? The scoreline was 6-4 6-2 7-6(3) which means Choco never had a SP at all.

Nadal was serving at 5-6 Novak had a chance to break him there.

Really though it was about Nadal dropping intensity more than Novak stepping up. Rafa was serving for the match at 5-4 and got shaky when it came to closing it out. This gave Novak a bit of momentum and Nadal had to wrestle it back.

 

[Deleted member 629564]

That's the most evil draw I can imagine:

S1 Djokovic [1]
S2 Nadal [5]
S3 Alcaraz [6]
S4 Tsitsipas [4]
S5 Zverev [3]
S6 Ruud [8]
S7 Rublev [7]
S8 Medvedev [2]

I clearly wrote: most evil, not most wanted.

 

[Siewi]

Lame draw. But I think Ruud has a fair chance of beating Tsitsi.

 

[Aabye5]

Rafa's draw:

R2: Stan
R3: Fog
R4: FAA
QF: Djokovic
SF: Alcaraz
F: Tsitsipas


Hahahahaha.


**** off.

But if they make it that far, will Uncle Toni sit in the FAA box with a Rafa hat?

 

[Aabye5]

I have always said that draws are rigged....

Wow....they didn't even try to cover it up here.

 

[Aabye5]

You're seriously telling me beating Djere makes Wrawrinka dangerous for Nadal of all people ? Like, really ?

Djere is not a bad dirt baller at all. If Laslo beats Rafa, just remember to 'like' this post.

 

[Aabye5]

disagree on Djokovic's state in that match. That was the match in which he found himself in the 2nd set. Djere was pulling off unreal winners time and time again to stay ahead.

Kec or Rub could reasonably win a set against an in-form Djok. Of course the final set of that final, the fatique added up and he had nothing left.

Nole was 75% at best, but Djere was unstoppable...until...

 

[Aabye5]

The frenchies want Alcaraz to win I am pretty sure of it. I am French and A LOT are fed up with him, I am not talking about the haters. People respect him but want change.
But the final NEEDS one of Nadal or Djokovic to draw a big audience.

Nope. They would stop him too if they could help it. Notice Korda, the one guy who beat him on clay all year, is in his section.

Unfortunately, Sebi has shown as much interest in tennis recently as most people show to professional bocce ball.

 

[dking68]

Lame draw. But I think Ruud has a fair chance of beating Tsitsi.

I think Ruud will be tired from all his clay vulturing, I’m not hopeful of him making a deep run even though the draw may suggest so. His slam results are also poor for a top ten player

 

[Aabye5]

But what about Sonic Jannik?

 

[Ray Mercer]

Fantastic draw for fans. For once Nadal should be challenged. Usually they would feed him a line-up of bums like Medvedev, Opelka and Berretinni and then maybe give him a decent opponent in the final. I just hope Alcaraz gets to that semi-final.

 

[Hitman]

Fantastic draw for fans. For once Nadal should be challenged. Usually they would feed him a line-up of bums like Medvedev, Opelka and Berretinni and then maybe give him a decent opponent in the final. I just hope Alcaraz gets to that semi-final.

Who do you pick between Djokovic and Nadal?

 

[L4S10s]

2022 RG Final

with the same exact apparel kit as well

move aside Djokodal, this is the new Serbian-Spanish rivalry

 

[Aabye5]

I know it's a pretty simple equation, but I can't seem to do the calculations without using paper...

But does this mean Zed will have better or worse odds to get his first top 10 win?

 

[Aabye5]

2022 RG Final

with the same exact apparel kit as well

move aside Djokodal, this is the new Serbian-Spanish rivalry

Ok...even I could live with that for a few minutes.

 

[Aabye5]

A fixed draw and they give the advantage to the one player who has public condemned all French people...RG folks are suckers for those one-handed backhands.

 

[Ray Mercer]

Who do you pick between Djokovic and Nadal?

I think this is the year I’m finally going to go with Djokovic. I think the win last year and the fact that Nadal’s foot is questionable is leading me that way. I really hope Alcaraz makes the semi-final. Whether it’s Djokovic or Nadal it should make for a good match.

 

[S'in-net]

He can't go through Djokovic/Alcaraz back-to-back over (ten) sets and come out alive
Last year it was Sinner/Schwartzman before he got to Djokovic. Year before that it was Sinner/Schartzman before he got to Djokovic.

This is how the comfort zone is gonna look this time round:- Monster/Monster, before he gets the cup ??

After the draw this is how the Nadal RG comfort zone looks like now:-
QF) Monster
SF) Monster
F) Someone from the Otherside untaxed by a Monster

The Mountain just got one step further away from being climbed.

 

[Nadal - GOAT]

Let's be honest, Schwartzman here is just like Nishikori at 2019 Wimb: if you can't beat him, you don't deserve a shot at the title.

Fair enough. I don't think anyone of Rafa/ Novak draw till round 4 are players they will lose to. It's mainly about how much can the opponents take out of them.

Schwartzman has the ability to really make it a long drawn match and drain Novak.

 

[TennisLurker]

I feel like Tsitsipas has 2 options
-lose in the first round to Musetti
-make the final

 

[Hitman]

Fair enough. I don't think anyone of Rafa/ Novak draw till round 4 are players they will lose to. It's mainly about how much can the opponents take out of them.

Schwartzman has the ability to really make it a long drawn match and drain Novak.

Or get Novak into rallying form, so he is ready for a war of attrition with Nadal. Diego will give him plenty of balls to hit to get his timing right.

 

[Nadal - GOAT]

Or get Novak into rallying form, so he is ready for a war of attrition with Nadal. Diego will give him plenty of balls to hit to get his timing right.

Yes that can happen too.. Though at his best Diego can be a very frustrating player to be up against. I wouldn't even put it past him to cause an upset and beat Novak. (Though pretty unlikely)

Also , I think Novak has had enough match plays in clay to get his rythm going.

 

[Lukhas]

Federer-Djokovic same half 16/20 slams. I know they had different rankings/seedings for some of them, but still...

You mean this masterpiece? A good thing I saved that screenshot. @73west

But to be honest, I expect one of these threads (if not both) will be bumped in a few days. You can take preemptive bets about it, I won't stop you.

The luck of Nadal's draws.

Yes I know it's been talked to death but at this point it's not do much draws as they are drawn out but how they play out. The 2020 FO is the third time in 2 years a seemingly heavy draw has collapsed with Nadal benefiting. Meanwhile people bring up Bagdahtis or Cilic for Federer. Yes Novak in...

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

Once again - Djokovic's tough draw evaporates in 2 days

Okay this had to made given how ridiculously easy his U.S. Open draw has now become. Essentially two walkovers, Cilic loses earlier in the day. What's next? Murray and Nadal going out?

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

 

[Hitman]

Yes that can happen too.. Though at his best Diego can be a very frustrating player to be up against. I wouldn't even put it past him to cause an upset and beat Novak. (Though pretty unlikely)

Also , I think Novak has had enough match plays in clay to get his rythm going.

It depends on how the first few rounds go for Novak. and more than likely, he will not have too much trouble going through them. He would rather be battle hardened with a match that at least tests him a little, so he doesn't get shellshocked at the level of quality going up signifcantly in the Nadal match. Diego will give him plenty of balls. Of course, you are right, it is possible for Novak to lose, he is no lock, but the odds are stacked in his favor to make it to the quarters, as it is for Nadal.

 

[Nadal - GOAT]

It depends on how the first few rounds go for Novak. and more than likely, he will not have too much trouble going through them. He would rather be battle hardened with a match that at least tests him a little, so he doesn't get shellshocked at the level of quality going up signifcantly in the Nadal match. Diego will give him plenty of balls. Of course, you are right, it is possible for Novak to lose, he is no lock, but the odds are stacked in his favor to make it to the quarters, as it is for Nadal.

Agree with you. After last year's loss, I am keen to see how Nadal adapts his tactics against Novak if they meet in QF.

 

[Hitman]

Agree with you. After last year's loss, I am keen to see how Nadal adapts his tactics against Novak if they meet in QF.

I'll tell you this though, if I was Nadal, if I am playing FAA, I would ask for a night session match, that is the perfect practise for Djokovic quarter.

 

[McGradey]

Don't try to converse with me ever again.

LOL

 

[Nadal - GOAT]

I'll tell you this though, if I was Nadal, if I am playing FAA, I would ask for a night session match, that is the perfect practise for Djokovic quarter.

Interesting point. Do you know the chances that Nadal-Novak QF is a day match vs night match?

 

[Hitman]

Interesting point. Do you know the chances that Nadal-Novak QF is a day match vs night match?

It is more than likely a night match, the other quarter final is Alcaraz v Zverev, that won't get top billing over Djokodal. Night time matches are prime time, especially during the week day when most will be working during the day match.

 

[Nadal - GOAT]

It is more than likely a night match, the other quarter final is Alcaraz v Zverev, that won't get top billing over Djokodal. Night time matches are prime time, especially during the week day when most will be working during the day match.

Damn it!! So it's all in Novak's favor for now. Hope Rafa can get to his best by QF.

 

[Hitman]

Damn it!! So it's all in Novak's favor for now. Hope Rafa can get to his best by QF.

I'm not saying for certain it will happen, but it is more than likely. Djokodal is box office, and without Federer around, it is the must see marquee match anywhere, even at this stage of their careers. So yeah, on a Tuesday or Wednesday, when everyone is working, the match will likely happen in the evening, so more people can tune in for the ratings.

For Rafa, it is about managing his foot more than anything, he will be playing fine by then no question. It is really about his foot.

 

[Nadal - GOAT]

I'm not saying for certain it will happen, but it is more than likely. Djokodal is box office, and without Federer around, it is the must see marquee match anywhere, even at this stage of their careers. So yeah, on a Tuesday or Wednesday, when everyone is working, the match will likely happen in the evening, so more people can tune in for the ratings.

For Rafa, it is about managing his foot more than anything, he will be playing fine by then no question. It is really about his foot.

True.. Also about bringing his A game vs Novak. Last year he started so well but then wasn't clutch enough in 2nd and 3rd sets. He had multiple break chances in 2nd and a set point in 3rd.

Hopefully it will be different this time.

 

[Deleted member 762343]

17:15

It's crazy how much Nadal changes physically compared to Djokovic, who barely looks different.

 

[onyxrose81]

I haven't had a proper look, but other than Tsitsipas and Musetti in the first round it might be nice to only have to watch tennis every other day during the tournament.

Every player that I’m interested in is in the top half lmao. At least those other days I can get work done, and eff around on the top half days.

 

[mike danny]

A fixed draw and the give the advantage to the one player who has public condemned all French people...RG folks are suckers for those one-handed backhands.

LOL I forgot about that

 

[mike danny]

I suppose that's true, but it seems like a benefit that probably wouldn't outweigh the other considerations. I mean, if Djokodal are on opposite halves, the organizers can maximize the primetime viewership of both players in a way they just can't with the guys in the same quarter. One of them will always have to play at a time when most of their European audience will be at work. And sure, a quarter with both of them will obviously get a lot more attention than one without – but then you have three quarterfinal matches with neither of them. And two semis that will not be Djokodal matches, and then the final. Is it better to have one blockbuster quarter and a bunch of other big matches that no one wants to watch?

Anyway, I'm not saying the draws are for sure not rigged – with so much money involved, a little manipulation would not be the least bit surprising – but this draw in particular doesn't seem like strong evidence that they are rigged, given all the potential downsides (and a few upsides, sure, but enough to outweigh the negatives?).

There's one more thing though: considering Nadal's uncertain health, they wanted to make sure he can make it into the later stages and have a marque match with Djokovic as early as possible.

And considering Djokodal's ages, they probably weren't sure that both of them would make it to a semi or final so they made sure for them to meet as early as possible.

 

[Linelicker]

I am happy with Rafa's draw. Old Wawrinka and Fognini are declined players he knows.

#22 is a revenge away.

 

[Mike Sams]

Okay thanks. I forgot it. That was more of a BP though. I thought you meant a SP on Choco's serve.

It was a set point on Nadal's serve.
2008 Nadal to be clear who was probably the best version of Nadal ever while Djokovic was still a clay novice.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Garbage draw. 2008 Nadal would win it without losing a set... unfortunately this is 36 yr old footdal ...

Stop living in the past T_O. Statements like "2008 Nadal would win without losing a set" are completely pointless because we're not in 2008 anymore and nothing lasts forever.
Better to focus on the here and now rather than being nostalgic over the good old days.

 

[StrongRule]

I wonder why my thread was deleted. I just stated a fact, nothing else. Djokovic is the luckiest player in history, there is no doubt about that.

 

[jl809]

So pissed off with Medvedev ruining the draw again ffs

 

[Nadal - GOAT]

I am happy with Rafa's draw. Old Wawrinka and Fognini are declined players he knows.

#22 is a revenge away.

I also think that while Nadal has it tough from QF onwards, he has lucked out in earlier rounds. He could have easily drawn one of the tough youngsters like Korda, Kec, Rune, etc.

If any of the current draw till R4 trouble Nadal, then it means he is just not ready to win RG and might as well withdraw. Though I expect him to cruise to QF with ease and save all his energy for Novak.

 

[Hitman]

I wonder why my thread was deleted. I just stated a fact, nothing else. Djokovic is the luckiest player in history, there is no doubt about that.

Wait, what? Didn't you in your thread just confirm that Djokovic has a career full of meeting Nadal at RG and Federer at the other three slams?

How exactly is someone lucky in that scenario?

It would be lucky, IF Djokovic had not been drawing Nadal all the way from 2006 up until 2014, and then started drawing him, but that isn't the case.

 

[StrongRule]

Wait, what? Didn't you in your thread just confirm that Djokovic has a career full of meeting Nadal at RG and Federer at the other three slams?

How exactly is someone lucky in that scenario?

It would be lucky, IF Djokovic had not been drawing Nadal all the way from 2006 up until 2014, and then started drawing him, but that isn't the case.

In most years he would never be able to avoid Nadal at some point, and he prefers to face him earlier. Back in 2013 many were talking about a semifinal match being better for him than a final one. As for 2015, 2021 and 2022, surely you are not going to claim Nadal was the one who benefitted from it? Had they met in the final of 2021, that would have been a day match. That was a repeat of Wimbledon 2018, when just one match during the whole tournament was played under the roof. Guess which one?

 

[Hitman]

In most years he would never be able to avoid Nadal at some point, and he prefers to face him earlier. Back in 2013 many were talking about a semifinal match being better for him than a final one. As for 2015, 2021 and 2022, surely you are not going to claim Nadal was the one who benefitted from it? Had they met in the final of 2021, that would have been a day match. That was a repeat of Wimbledon 2018, when just one match during the whole tournament was played under the roof. Guess which one?

Anything before 2015, and Djokovic being in Nadal's side was never a good thing, remember, Nadal didn't lose anywhere, outside of a shock loss to Soderling.

I don't think Djokovic drawing peak Nadal early is a good case for him being the luckiest player ever.

 

[StrongRule]

Anything before 2015, and Djokovic being in Nadal's side was never a good thing, remember, Nadal didn't lose anywhere, outside of a shock loss to Soderling.

I don't think Djokovic drawing peak Nadal early is a good case for him being the luckiest player ever.

How was he unlucky to face Nadal in the 2013 semifinal? He would have faced him anyway, but in a semifinal his chances were higher.

 

[Hitman]

How was he unlucky to face Nadal in the 2013 semifinal? He would have faced him anyway, but in a semifinal his chances were higher.

Why would his chances be higher in a semi final?

Nadal had never lost a slam semi or a slam final. He had never even gone five sets at a slam semi before that match. Djokovic had never even taken a set off Nadal in previous slam semis, but had in a slam final. So no, they were equally tough.

 

[dapchai]

It was a set point on Nadal's serve.
2008 Nadal to be clear who was probably the best version of Nadal ever while Djokovic was still a clay novice.

Choco was hardly a clay novice in '08. Reached SF at RG '07, MC '08, and Hamburg '08, and won Rome in '08; those established him as a very good clay courter before RG '08. It just happenned that Rafa was too good.

Results wise Choco's '08 clay swing was better than his '13 and '14 (excluding RG)...

 

[L4S10s]

A fixed draw and they give the advantage to the one player who has public condemned all French people...RG folks are suckers for those one-handed backhands.

can u tell me about that pls..

 

[Aabye5]

can u tell me about that pls..

The original lob at the French? The possibility of a hack? Or how the draw favors Tsitsipas?