AELTC Head of Courts and Horticulture: "Conditions are the same as last year's and years prior"
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BeatlesFan
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Total idiocy: "the players just don't remember the conditions the year before." And this old dude has an agenda anyway, he's "head of the courts," so it behooves him to lie and fool people who have no clue about tennis or surface speeds. The vast majority of people have no frame of reference with grass courts and thus no memory of how the grass played 7 years ago, never mind 17 or 27 years ago.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Nope.
This makes it official. Wimbledon is deliberately choosing to refuse to acknowledge the fact that the courts are getting slower and slower. That eradicates any idea that Wimbledon might not have known what is going on (as was Henman's previous position).
I quite liked his attempts at explanations why would the players think that. It shows that he is a complete hack when it comes to tennis.
This makes it official. Wimbledon is deliberately choosing to refuse to acknowledge the fact that the courts are getting slower and slower. That eradicates any idea that Wimbledon might not have known what is going on (as was Henman's previous position).
I quite liked his attempts at explanations why would the players think that. It shows that he is a complete hack when it comes to tennis.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Well, that's probably the last explanation we'll hear from Wimbledon officials on the matter.Nope.
This makes it official. Wimbledon is deliberately choosing to refuse to acknowledge the fact that the courts are getting slower and slower. That eradicates any idea that Wimbledon might not have known what is going on (as was Henman's previous position). We
I quite liked his attempts at explanations why would the players think that. It shows that he is a complete hack when it comes to tennis.
Tennis_Hands
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Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
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BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
This Bozo obviously has never heard the adage: "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." When every single player (except Nadal) says the "courts are slow," maybe they know more about it than the "head courts manager."
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Haha, yes. It backfiring spectacularly.Nope.
This makes it official. Wimbledon is deliberately choosing to refuse to acknowledge the fact that the courts are getting slower and slower. That eradicates any idea that Wimbledon might not have known what is going on (as was Henman's previous position).
I quite liked his attempts at explanations why would the players think that. It shows that he is a complete hack when it comes to tennis.
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But are they the ones that are actually playing the professional matches on these courts? You can say you have cooked the food the same way, but does that automatically mean it tastes the same, especially if you are not the one who is actually eating it?
Daniel Andrade
Hall of Fame
It's a bit slower than in 2018 and almost the same compared to 2017. Definitely slower than in 2010 and 2008.
Perhaps the balls? Change them.
Perhaps the balls? Change them.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
There's nothing to discuss this should put all debate about the courts to rest. Now if people want to talk about other factors that go into how a court plays like the ball then we can have a good discussion. Both Fed and Rafa have surmised that the ball is different this year. Heavier ball equals slower play.
We need those Wilson USO balls that skid fast through the court.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
That could work, but Wimbledon with their "traditions" would never allow it.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
I was expecting some explanation that would point to an unforeseen variable. Nope, "everything is fine, nothing to see here" smhI am glad that they did it. Now there is no doubt what is going on.
UnforcedTerror
Hall of Fame
FFS people, enough with this nonesense.
We have a Fedal clash in our hands. The truth will reveal itself to all to see.
We have a Fedal clash in our hands. The truth will reveal itself to all to see.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Don't shoot the messenger
AceSalvo
Legend
Just re-iterating your non-stop venture into looking for straws.
OldschoolKIaus
Hall of Fame
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Some people wanted an official explanation from Wimbledon. Well, here it is
AceSalvo
Legend
Some people heard what the players and the greats had to say.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
You're not alone there. I've been saying the exact same thing all tournament, but no one listens. Even Fed and Rafa have gone on record saying the balls are different this year.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Which is why we wanted an official explanation
AceSalvo
Legend
Officals dont lie like Politicians dont lie.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
The lies have to be believable though. It's borderline absurd when you keep the same stance, when it's quite obvious to anyone who's watched these matches that the conditions are decidedly not the same
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
For all those data and stats-obsessed folks out there... put this in your pipe and smoke it.
http://www.tennisabstract.com/blog/2019/07/08/yep-wimbledon-is-playing-slower-this-year/
http://www.tennisabstract.com/blog/2019/07/08/yep-wimbledon-is-playing-slower-this-year/
except that on Wimbledon page it is written that last change to ball specification was done in 1995, which implies that same balls are used since then
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
We'll find out the truth in the Fedal match. If Nadal wins, we know the grass is still fast. If he loses, the grass court has to be the slowest it has been to favour the slow grass court GOAT.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
lol
Wimbledon completely open what they do to the grass. Which length and also what kind of grass. It’s no secrecy or magic. It’s freakin grass!!
You can even go north England and see for yourself how they test the grass and what they do. If you ask nicely. Which i dont think you are capapable of.
If you bother going to Wimbledon and you are able to form a few sentences you can quite easily find people working w the grass at AELTC.
I’ve spoken a whole evening w these folks and it’s super interesting what they do and all the work it takes. The changes and why they did so in the past is neither no secret.
NicoMK
Hall of Fame
This guy CANNOT BE SERIOUS! What Wimbledon has become over the last 20 years is a total dis-grass.
In all pro sports it's more about politics, money and personal interests than ever, sad.
Both men's and woman's tours are now a joke. Serena will soon get a 41st Grand Slam, Rodgeur will still win Wimbledon at 62 and Rafa will win his 15th Roland-Garros playing right-hander… Seems that (almost) everyone only cares about figures and records these days so I guess fans will enjoy and call them GOATs.
In all pro sports it's more about politics, money and personal interests than ever, sad.
Both men's and woman's tours are now a joke. Serena will soon get a 41st Grand Slam, Rodgeur will still win Wimbledon at 62 and Rafa will win his 15th Roland-Garros playing right-hander… Seems that (almost) everyone only cares about figures and records these days so I guess fans will enjoy and call them GOATs.
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ForehandRF
Legend
When players like Goffin, Pella or Nishikori reach the latter stages of Wimbledon and Nadal wins 2 sets 6-2, 6--2 against a big server like Querrey (and doing this by playing clay court like tennis), you know that something is wrong
Raining hopes
Hall of Fame
Fraud can straight set and triple bagel Ralph and Novak and I will keep saying this was the slowest I personally have seen the grass play in over a decade of my watching.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Except, the truth has been out long before such a match was even made possible. Bad trolling on your part.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
This is how it has always been. The grass is worn out in the first few days. The first week is all about surviving and the second week is for real tennis as some of the past greats (was probably Borg) used to say.
Anyway, it's grass and Wimbledon. Anyone who wins is a Wimbledon champion. The conditions are the same for everyone here. If anyone is not good enough to play on this court, they don't deserve to win it.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
The most important part of the post is the admission that the surface is "much slower" than previous years, which has been a major discussion point.
If should try to avoid mental walks when posting, no?
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
The most important part of the post is the admission that the surface is "much slower" than previous years, which has been a major discussion point.
If should try to avoid mental walks when posting, no?
Sam Querrey blasting aces in the Quarter final says hi.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
19.4 % Ace Rate vs Djokovic 3 years ago. What % yesterday?
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Rafael Nadal vs Sam Querry
Madrid M1000
6-4 6-2
Clay
Aces
Nadal 1 Querry 9
LOL, Hi!
Deon Sanders
Legend
Why would we take the word of this British subject who says what he is told by master
Rafael Nadal vs Sam Querry
Madrid M1000
6-4 6-2
Clay
Aces
Nadal 1 Querry 9
LOL, Hi!
Wimbledon 2019
Rafael Nadal vs Sam Querry
7-5 6-2 6-2
Aces:
Nadal 10
Querry 22
Let's compare.
Madrid, 18 games played, 10 aces, 0.55 aces / game
Wimbledon, 28 games played, 32 aces, 1.14 aces / game
sure, there is no difference, pretty much both surfaces play the same, just a different color
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Wimbledon 2019
Rafael Nadal vs Sam Querry
7-5 6-2 6-2
Aces:
Nadal 10
Querry 22
Let's compare.
Madrid, 18 games played, 10 aces, 0.55 aces / game
Wimbledon, 28 games played, 32 aces, 1.14 aces / game
sure, there is no difference, pretty much both surfaces play the same, just a different color
Straw men and all that.
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