Numero Uno
Semi-Pro
my pick is Djokovic,he saved 5 match points against murray,2x2 match points against roger at us open,4 match points against tsonga at french open and couple more against serra,stepanek...
Best player for saving match points?
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Inanimate_object
Hall of Fame
You are seriously thick enough to accuse the World No. 1 of not being a good player? Delusional...
Numero Uno
Semi-Pro
yes djokovic is really bad player,he doesnt even deserve to be on top100,every match that he wins is because he is lucky and his oponent is having a bad day
This used to case in his prime not these days. Last season he came back saving multiple BPs three times.
A few examples don't make a rule.
In general Federer is losing in big matches vs top guys when the match gets tight.
Because Fed owned everyone easily. That is exactly why you would except him not having much practice in tight matches, because he was rarely in such position.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Nadal saving 3 match points against Djokovic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aol8mf1quBs
Nadal saving 5 match points against Nalbandian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z87G61gvWg
Just making contributions, these videos are amazing. Don't know who the best is but Novak and Nadal are up there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aol8mf1quBs
Nadal saving 5 match points against Nalbandian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z87G61gvWg
Just making contributions, these videos are amazing. Don't know who the best is but Novak and Nadal are up there.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Novak wins this hands down as it is one thing to do in R1 and R2 matches but completely different doing it in the final stages.
He has compensated for the 2013 FO choke.
That said his propensity to choke is also very high and he is able to get himself out of those tough situations
He has compensated for the 2013 FO choke.
That said his propensity to choke is also very high and he is able to get himself out of those tough situations
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Virtual matchpoints saved are more interesting.
Kuerten never lost an FO final.
If he is so great, why can't he win before being match points down?
Why is struggling better than winning without being match points down?
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Djokovic - That is the name that comes to mind when you talk about someone saving Match Points. Some of the match points he has saved are iconic.
Busted hip Kuerten straight setted Federer at FO 2004. Lol.
NatF
Bionic Poster
He wasn't playing like his hip was busted...
This just shows how weak clay era is how a guy who gets owned by injured Kuerten can make 5 RG finals.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
In 1995 alone, Thomas Muster saved 18 match points in matches that he went on to win. 15 of these match points that Muster saved were in tournaments that he went on to win.
Saved 3 MPs in 1995 Indian Wells R16 vs. Michael Chang (Muster won 6-1, 5-7, 7-6)
Saved 1 MP in 1995 Estoril QF vs. Javier Sanchez (Muster won 4-6, 7-6, 6-4)
Saved 1 MP in 1995 Barcelona R64 vs. Jordi Burillo (Muster won 4-6, 7-6, 6-2)
Saved 1 MP in 1995 Barcelona QF vs. Carlos Costa (Muster won 6-3, 3-6, 7-5)
Saved 2 CPs in 1995 Monte Carlo F vs. Boris Becker (Muster won 4-6, 5-7, 6-1, 7-6, 6-0)
Saved 3 MPs in 1995 Sankt Pölten R32 vs. Filip Dewulf (Muster won 4-6, 7-6, 6-3)
Saved 4 MPs in 1995 Stuttgart Outdoor SF vs. Sergi Bruguera (Muster won 6-7, 7-6, 6-2 - having once trailed 6-7, 1-5)
Saved 3 CPs in 1995 Umag F vs. Carlos Costa (Muster won 3-6, 7-6, 6-4)
Saved 3 MPs in 1995 Indian Wells R16 vs. Michael Chang (Muster won 6-1, 5-7, 7-6)
Saved 1 MP in 1995 Estoril QF vs. Javier Sanchez (Muster won 4-6, 7-6, 6-4)
Saved 1 MP in 1995 Barcelona R64 vs. Jordi Burillo (Muster won 4-6, 7-6, 6-2)
Saved 1 MP in 1995 Barcelona QF vs. Carlos Costa (Muster won 6-3, 3-6, 7-5)
Saved 2 CPs in 1995 Monte Carlo F vs. Boris Becker (Muster won 4-6, 5-7, 6-1, 7-6, 6-0)
Saved 3 MPs in 1995 Sankt Pölten R32 vs. Filip Dewulf (Muster won 4-6, 7-6, 6-3)
Saved 4 MPs in 1995 Stuttgart Outdoor SF vs. Sergi Bruguera (Muster won 6-7, 7-6, 6-2 - having once trailed 6-7, 1-5)
Saved 3 CPs in 1995 Umag F vs. Carlos Costa (Muster won 3-6, 7-6, 6-4)
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tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Novak went on to win 7 more majors after saving MP against Fed at USO 2010 SF
Inanimate_object
Hall of Fame
That's a good question. Why don't you ask Djokovic? But to call the World No. 1, who has his point lead by a wide margin, not a good player, is absurd to the degree I would only expect of you. I severely hope you are not an accurate representation of the wider Federer fanbase.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Djokovic has probably saved the most match points in the really big matches ie. 2 each in the semi-finals of 2010 and 2011 USO plus 5 in the final of 2012 Shanghai!
I think an honourable mention must be made for Murray who saved a match point in the final of 2013 Miami and, towards the end of last year, saved a total of 10 match points ie. 5 each in the finals of Shenzhen and Valencia!
I think an honourable mention must be made for Murray who saved a match point in the final of 2013 Miami and, towards the end of last year, saved a total of 10 match points ie. 5 each in the finals of Shenzhen and Valencia!
Not good compared to some greats who defend less match points, that's why they win faster.
I didn't mean not good in general. I thought you of all people would be smart enough to see my statements in context.
Why would I call 8 GS winner not good? Only a fool would see my words as calling a 8 GS winner not good.
That's what makes him better at match points, since he had more practice. Like other greats aren't that good either if we compare them on match points.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Kuerten won the 2000 French Open final on his 11th championship point.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Poor Robredo - perhaps he's the worst at converting match points :lol:
This is what usually happens if best MP saver and poorest MP converter play each other
.Also, how do we know Djokovic is strong MP saver? What if he is just playing mentally weak players who are terrible at converting MPs?
Inanimate_object
Hall of Fame
That's foolish to believe Novak is only a good matchpoint-down player because he is so often matchpoint down. That's called self-justified reasoning.
I didn't say it was a fact, just throwing it out there as a possible explanation.
And please don't use your fancy book learnin'
. I know what it means, I'm a few levels above you, I just enjoy acting stupid to troll newbies like yourself, who think they are geniuses trying to put other people down.
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Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
I was wondering when you'd enter the thread! :smile:
m2nk2
Hall of Fame
Well, Federer doesn't have a chance when he's facing a top clay specialist at FO. Had Kuerten met a good clay player that day Kuerten would've been straighsetted.
Mainad
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m2nk2
Hall of Fame
m2nk2
Hall of Fame
Ah, thought it was more.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Stronger era. Oh yes I did! :twisted:
I know, my question was just rhetorical.
Inanimate_object
Hall of Fame
I didn't say it was a fact, just throwing it out there as a possible explanation.
And please don't use your fancy book learnin'
I find far too often, people use the idea of trolling to backpedal and excuse their own stupidity and nonsense remarks. You are one of them
I find far too often that people who accuse others of stupidity often lack intelligence to make an argument and they have to resort to personal attacks.
Tennisknowledge99
Banned
All-time record: Allison saved 18 match points
1930 Davis Cup: Allison def. Stefani 4-6 7-9 6-4 8-6 10-8
Allison saved two match points in the 4th (Allison trailed 2:5) and sixteen in the 5th set (was 1:5)
Panatta saved 11 matchpoints in 1976 Rome 1st round. He won against Warwick 3-6 6-4 7-6
Schuettler saved 10 match points (two MP's on return) to defeat Seppi in the 2nd round of 2004 Kitzbühel. Schuettler won 3-6 7-6(15-13) 6-0 withstanding match points at three different games:
4:5 (15/40), 5:6 (15/40) and in the tie-break at: 6:7, 8:9, 9:10*, 10:11, 11:12* and 12:13.
Chesnokov saved 9 match points in the 5th set of the 1995 Davis Cup SF Deciding Rubber against Stich. Chesnokov won 6-4 1-6 1-6 6-3 14-12
2004 Roland Garros 1st Round: Spadea def. Serra 7-5 1-6 4-6 7-6(9-7) 9-7
Spadea saved two match points in the tie-break and seven match points in the 5th trailing.
1960 Australian Open final, Laver trailed Fraser 5-7 3-6 6-3 4-5 and saved a match point, and yet still managed to win the match 5-7 3-6 6-3 8-6 8-6.
There are many more.
1930 Davis Cup: Allison def. Stefani 4-6 7-9 6-4 8-6 10-8
Allison saved two match points in the 4th (Allison trailed 2:5) and sixteen in the 5th set (was 1:5)
Panatta saved 11 matchpoints in 1976 Rome 1st round. He won against Warwick 3-6 6-4 7-6
Schuettler saved 10 match points (two MP's on return) to defeat Seppi in the 2nd round of 2004 Kitzbühel. Schuettler won 3-6 7-6(15-13) 6-0 withstanding match points at three different games:
4:5 (15/40), 5:6 (15/40) and in the tie-break at: 6:7, 8:9, 9:10*, 10:11, 11:12* and 12:13.
Chesnokov saved 9 match points in the 5th set of the 1995 Davis Cup SF Deciding Rubber against Stich. Chesnokov won 6-4 1-6 1-6 6-3 14-12
2004 Roland Garros 1st Round: Spadea def. Serra 7-5 1-6 4-6 7-6(9-7) 9-7
Spadea saved two match points in the tie-break and seven match points in the 5th trailing.
1960 Australian Open final, Laver trailed Fraser 5-7 3-6 6-3 4-5 and saved a match point, and yet still managed to win the match 5-7 3-6 6-3 8-6 8-6.
There are many more.
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laughingcavalier
Rookie
One player I saw who saved a heck of alot of matchpoints in matches,in particular in big tournaments was Lendl.
The most famous one IMO was the 1984 semi final against Pat Cash.He was practically one foot out of the door when Cash hit the ball down the line and advanced to the net and Lendl could only have won the point one way.. a well timed lob.He did just that and went on to beat Cash but lose the final to Mcenroe.
He also saved matchpoints in another slam semi final... this time against Edberg at the Australian Open.Once again his opponent had come to the net and Edberg fluffed a volley that would've given him the match.Edberg had multiple matchpoints in that match from memory.
Also against the Italian Paolo Cane at Wimbledon in 87........ and against Woodforde in the 4th Round at Wimbledon again
Once again in a slam this time in the first round against Richard Krajicek.. down 2 sets to love Lendl launches a comeback and saves 2 matchpoints in the 4th set to extend the match into the 5th where he bageled a cramping Krajicek.
The most famous one IMO was the 1984 semi final against Pat Cash.He was practically one foot out of the door when Cash hit the ball down the line and advanced to the net and Lendl could only have won the point one way.. a well timed lob.He did just that and went on to beat Cash but lose the final to Mcenroe.
He also saved matchpoints in another slam semi final... this time against Edberg at the Australian Open.Once again his opponent had come to the net and Edberg fluffed a volley that would've given him the match.Edberg had multiple matchpoints in that match from memory.
Also against the Italian Paolo Cane at Wimbledon in 87........ and against Woodforde in the 4th Round at Wimbledon again
Once again in a slam this time in the first round against Richard Krajicek.. down 2 sets to love Lendl launches a comeback and saves 2 matchpoints in the 4th set to extend the match into the 5th where he bageled a cramping Krajicek.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
In the "Big 4s" Careers so far...
Fed has saved 44 MPs from 15 tournaments
Nadal has saved 26 MPs from 10 tournaments
Djokovic has saved 30 MPs from 10 tournaments
Murray has saved 23 MPs from 8 tournaments
Fed has saved 44 MPs from 15 tournaments
Nadal has saved 26 MPs from 10 tournaments
Djokovic has saved 30 MPs from 10 tournaments
Murray has saved 23 MPs from 8 tournaments
Crisstti
Legend
That's not an argument for him not having weak mental toughness, it's just an excuse for it.
Federer struggles too. And when he does he's worse at overcoming it.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Not saying he's the best. I don't even think he's that great in this aspect personally, but I noticed nobody had posted it yet, and it is so begging to be posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgzowfPaHaE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgzowfPaHaE
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Not saying he's the best. I don't even think he's that great in this aspect personally, but I noticed nobody had posted it yet, and it is so begging to be posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgzowfPaHaE
It's a shame he still lost that match...
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah. Too bad. He probably would've pulled out anyway if he did win though.
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My god you have something lodged where it doesn't belong. :|
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Fed has saved 44 MPs from 15 tournaments. He is by far best MP saver among the big 4.
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Strange Bird
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wow impressive :shock::shock::shock:
