Blade 16x19 2015 VS New Blade 16x19 CV

So I have been using the 2015 model for two years, and I was looking to get new racquets because Wilson offered me a new sponsorship, I was going to order the new Blades ( Countervail ), but I read the review at TW and it seems its not that good.
Has someone tried both versions? what do you think?
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
From what I could gather the playtesters actually preferred the CV 16x19 this time round...

I would say it depends on what kind of feel you like, I tend to prefer more muted frames, and the last Blade 16x19 felt a bit too brassy for me, so I'd likely prefer the CV Blade.
 

Chipnkick

Rookie
I liked it. Went from 2015 18x20 blade to 16x19 blade cv. Lets me play longer without the soreness i got from the old version if i played for 3 or more hours, or hit a bunch of serves
 

Chipnkick

Rookie
In terms of power and feel ;
Well moving from an 18x20 to 16x19 i didnt notice any difference in power, so i would guess it would be lower than the 2015 16x19, only big difference was in spin, slightly less control but hardly a factor. Feel was still similar, and i play just as comfortably with the new blade as compared to the old blade, they are still very much what the blades represent.
 

Alexrb

Professional
From what I could gather the playtesters actually preferred the CV 16x19 this time round...

I would say it depends on what kind of feel you like, I tend to prefer more muted frames, and the last Blade 16x19 felt a bit too brassy for me, so I'd likely prefer the CV Blade.

I hit with a friend of mines 2015 & CV 18x20's back to back and feel like this post describes it pretty accurately. The 2015 seemed to clang/vibrate when hit, whereas the CV just felt solid and had that thud at contact that I prefer. Never really understood 'brassy' or 'muted' until now. Still waiting to understand what 'buttery smooth' feels like.
 

dave t

Semi-Pro
Love the feel of the new 16x19. I don't use a dampener and it is just the feel/sound I'm looking for. Mine is about 12oz strung with overgrip.
 

balljunkie

New User
I've hit with both old and new. Both are great frames. The cv model 98 is much better. Muted feel plush with no vibrations. Feels beefy and stable all around. Has more power and very easy to create spin. Strung weight is around 11.4 - 11.6oz depending on strings and grip. To me this frame wins frame of the year.
 

tennistomcat

Semi-Pro
I hit with a friend of mines 2015 & CV 18x20's back to back and feel like this post describes it pretty accurately. The 2015 seemed to clang/vibrate when hit, whereas the CV just felt solid and had that thud at contact that I prefer. Never really understood 'brassy' or 'muted' until now. Still waiting to understand what 'buttery smooth' feels like.

I've hit with both old and new. Both are great frames. The cv model 98 is much better. Muted feel plush with no vibrations. Feels beefy and stable all around. Has more power and very easy to create spin. Strung weight is around 11.4 - 11.6oz depending on strings and grip. To me this frame wins frame of the year.

I agree with these previous comments.

I've used the blx blade 98 18X20 for a long while and an nblade for a shorter time.
I have not hit with the previous 16X19 blades & can't compare to those but can compare it to these 18X20 if that may help.

I hit with the new 16X19 CV for 45 min with a ball machine during a demo. Liked it enough to buy a brand new one & gave it a go for a couple hrs the other night. Strung it with 16 gauge RPM blast.

16X19 CV feels more forgiving than the blx & nblade. Sweet spot feels bigger, easier access to spin without hitting too loopy or high arc on shots - still can hit flat with pace. Power is better than the previous models but don't expect not easy pure drive-type power. I feel that as I get more dialed in to what works best with this frame that I'll be able to get good pop without overexerting myself - there's power to be had with the right swing & string setup. This racket feels very solid with good plow & very stable. The control is very good - it may just be a little less than the 18X20 pattern but the ease of access to spin & power is worth the minuscule control loss.

2HBH feels just as good with great feel & control - down the line shot is still a weapon that hurts ppl, but now I can hit sharp short, angled crosscourt dippers or roll deep into the corner with ease.
Volleys felt great - crisp feel with control - solid feel. Backhand slices were easy - the 18X20 may be just a tad more stable on chip slices but that's being extremely nitpicky.
Forehand has easier access to spin - I'm able to hit sharp, short angled rollers that pull the opponent off the court much easier & can roll angled shots deep in the corner. With the other pattern, I had to consciously try to exaggerate my topspin swing on both sides to get what seemed like average spin on my shots & could not hit these sharp rollers consistently. I've now got the sharp crosscourts & down the lines locked in.
Although I did not go for a lot of drop shots/volleys - I feel comfortable with the feel of this racket. Surprisingly it does not feel too stiff or lack touch like I felt the blx blade did.

My only gripes were that as mentioned in the TW review, it did not seem like I could go full swing & feel the racket crushing the serve like the blx. I had good pop & easier access to spin but it did not feel like it pummeled the ball big like a pure drive although I thought the blx did. Also, I had trouble dialing in how to hit a crushing forehand. I can hit it well but I could not summon the flat down-the-line bomb that the blx delivers. I felt there may be a soft spot in the upper sweet spot where I like to hit my serves & forehands & this may be the reason for the drop in power that I feel on these shots. I may need to adjust my point of contact, swing, or add lead to fix this & will try to sort it out.
These issues are minor as I feel that I can still play very well with this stick still even if I don't figure out how to drop heavy bombs on serves & forehands. I can still hits these shots well - just not as big compared to the blx blade.

This is one of the few rackets that I can leave off the vibration dampener & have no issues - the strings do not ping loudly like the other rackets. Putting a vibrasorb seemed to help me hit the forehand better although this is more likely a mental thing - it just felt/sounded like a more solid "thwack" with dampener & made me feel like I was making better contact.

This is a great solid well-rounded racket for me at the moment. I like this better than the previous 18X20 versions I've used due to more power, much easier access to spin without being too loopy, great stability, & still good control on shots.
 

DJTaurus

Hall of Fame
A friend of mine played with 18x20 CV and liked the feel more than the previous version which was my only concern after reading some comments that it has become more muted. Also he mentioned zero vibrations he can play it without dump, more solid and with extra power. His only concern was the increased SW compared to the old model.....it was difficult for him to serve after a while.....has the SW increased compared to the old model or it has to do with the awful QC of Wilson ? I am interested on the S model to replace my current 98s 2015....which i can say it has not got the fastest swing on the backhand.
 

TennisHound

Legend
The CV just feels a little chunkier and slower than the previous version to me. It is sometimes harder to tell how I'm hitting the ball. I'm still working with the 16x19 demo I have. I'm not using a dampener to try and create slightly more vibrations to feel the ball a little better.

I don't understand how people can say they are able to play longer with the CV (how do you measure that). If you can't play as long with a regular racquet then you have other issues beyond the racquet you're using.
 

balljunkie

New User
I can play much longer with the cv. Meaning... my joints dont hurt therefor i can hit more servers without my shoulders tiring out. I added extra weight to the grip to make the swing faster.
 

MisterP

Hall of Fame
If you're playing competitive tennis, I wouldn't change a thing. It's way, way different than the last version, and not in a good way. Of all the lines of Wilson racquets, the Blade was the one that really didn't need the Countervail technology. It was already a soft frame, now it feels dead.

If we're talking about the Burn or Ultra, sure. Add the CV. but not the Blades.
 

dave t

Semi-Pro
If you're playing competitive tennis, I wouldn't change a thing. It's way, way different than the last version, and not in a good way. Of all the lines of Wilson racquets, the Blade was the one that really didn't need the Countervail technology. It was already a soft frame, now it feels dead.

If we're talking about the Burn or Ultra, sure. Add the CV. but not the Blades.

Most people would not say Blades are "soft"

CV is definitely more muted - some like it, some don't.
 

Slicerman

Professional
If you're playing competitive tennis, I wouldn't change a thing. It's way, way different than the last version, and not in a good way. Of all the lines of Wilson racquets, the Blade was the one that really didn't need the Countervail technology. It was already a soft frame, now it feels dead.

If we're talking about the Burn or Ultra, sure. Add the CV. but not the Blades.

Most people would not say Blades are "soft"

CV is definitely more muted - some like it, some don't.

I recently changed my racquet to the Blade 98 16x19 (2015 version). I would consider it a fairly muted racquet as someone who's coming from the Pro Staff line. It's probably the most muteness I would ever want in a racquet. I haven't tried the countervail version, but if it's true that its even more muted than the 2015 version, then it would probably be too muted/disconnected in feeling.
 

Jbo

Rookie
Interesting to see some posters comparing the 2015 18x20 with the 16x19 CV and suggesting that it should be a fairly seamless transition but with many added benefits...

I have been using the 2015 18x20 for about a year and a half now, and as much as I have enjoyed the stick... I have been looking for alternative options. My main negatives with the 2015 18x20 Blade is:

1. Feels slightly cumbersome in terms of maneuverability (I've added a leather grip+og which has helped improve this aspect)
2. Lack of topspin and the boardy feel at times, which I think might be due to the 18x20 pattern?

As such I've been considering trying out other sticks, such as the Pure Strike '17 16x19 which sounds like it could address some of the pain points above.

I'm being pretty picky though and just hammering on the negatives. When I do manage to hit a clean ball with a hardf lattish stroke, the plushness of the Blades really does shine through.

For those who have more experience with all of these sticks, would you suggest that a move to the 16x19 Blade CV be worthwhile for me?
 

tennistomcat

Semi-Pro
Interesting to see some posters comparing the 2015 18x20 with the 16x19 CV and suggesting that it should be a fairly seamless transition but with many added benefits...

I have been using the 2015 18x20 for about a year and a half now, and as much as I have enjoyed the stick... I have been looking for alternative options. My main negatives with the 2015 18x20 Blade is:

1. Feels slightly cumbersome in terms of maneuverability (I've added a leather grip+og which has helped improve this aspect)
2. Lack of topspin and the boardy feel at times, which I think might be due to the 18x20 pattern?

As such I've been considering trying out other sticks, such as the Pure Strike '17 16x19 which sounds like it could address some of the pain points above.

I'm being pretty picky though and just hammering on the negatives. When I do manage to hit a clean ball with a hardf lattish stroke, the plushness of the Blades really does shine through.

For those who have more experience with all of these sticks, would you suggest that a move to the 16x19 Blade CV be worthwhile for me?

I have not hit with the 2015 18X20 but I've read that it feels softer with less plow than the blx. The blx blade has awesome pop, stability, & plow. The only other racket that I can crush serves with is the Pure Drive but the blade has it beat in pinpoint control.

My main gripe with the blx was the lack of access to spin & lack of feel (for touch shots) & dwell time on my shots (for short, sharp crosscourt rollers). This racket felt just a tad bit stiffer compared to what I've used in the past. It's not anywhere stiff like a pure drive but not as flexy as a head radical or Angell Racket.

The 16X19 CV has the typical stability, plow, & pop of the blade plus it addresses my two gripes mentioned above. It has good feel/touch & I can cradle the ball on the strings & hit sharp crosscourt rollers that pull the opponent way wide. My down the line backhand is just as good as with the closed pattern. I have good, easy power on shots at about an 80% swing leaving me room to give it gas when needed.

For me, the CV seems to dampen vibration & shock without leaving me disconnected on my shots - I can still feel where I've hit the ball & feel connected where it's going. Most shots feel solid - like a I've connected with the sweet spot. I'm still dialing in my forehand as I tend to hit it high in the stringbed & feel a little harshness letting me know that I'm a little out of the sweetspot but it's very minor. I really don't need a dampener with this frame but it makes my forehand feel even more solid on contact.

I need to feel connected with my shots for my game to work as you can see in the rackets listed in my signature. I am more about placement & running the opponent around than overpowering them - if I do get a short ball though or have the guy out of position, I have no problem throttling the ball though & need a racket that let me do this with confidence. The CV does not mute the feel/control that I have trouble hitting my spots - it just makes it feel more solid with less unwanted vibrations - like the sweet spot is so much larger.
 

TennisHound

Legend
I liked it. Went from 2015 18x20 blade to 16x19 blade cv. Lets me play longer without the soreness i got from the old version if i played for 3 or more hours, or hit a bunch of serves
o_O Is it the 16x19 or the countervail that lets you "play longer"?

Here's some of the customer reviews from TW:
-"Previous Blade was actually a nice frame. You can't even work off this frame with weight..."
-"Weight and balance on these racquets is all over the map, but I am not sure if Wilson quality control is still that bad or it is a function of the Countervail."
-"...heavier than 2015 Blades..."
-"...total strung weight with overgrip went to 11.8 oz... more head heavy than the previous version."
-"...I weighed the racquet out and it came to 11.8 ounces strung and with an overgrip. The listed strung weight is suppose to be 11.3! Wow, the quality control that Wilson has remains to be unbelievable."
-"the CV version strung with the same string weighs in at 324 grams and 2 pts Headlight!"
-"...not good for my shoulder! Overall, I prefer the 2015 version...Disappointed for a an expensive racquet that the specs are nowhere near where they should be...the CV is very tiring over 2 hours of hitting."
 
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TennisManiac

Hall of Fame
o_O Is it the 16x19 or the countervail that lets you "play longer"?

Here's some of the customer reviews from TW:
-"Previous Blade was actually a nice frame. You can't even work off this frame with weight..."
-"Weight and balance on these racquets is all over the map, but I am not sure if Wilson quality control is still that bad or it is a function of the Countervail."
-"...heavier than 2015 Blades..."
-"...total strung weight with overgrip went to 11.8 oz... more head heavy than the previous version."
-"...I weighed the racquet out and it came to 11.8 ounces strung and with an overgrip. The listed strung weight is suppose to be 11.3! Wow, the quality control that Wilson has remains to be unbelievable."
-"the CV version strung with the same string weighs in at 324 grams and 2 pts Headlight!"
-"...not good for my shoulder! Overall, I prefer the 2015 version...Disappointed for a an expensive racquet that the specs are nowhere near where they should be...the CV is very tiring over 2 hours of hitting."

Wilson's QC is one of the worst. When I buy a new frame I always have someone find me a racquet with the unstrung static weight I desire. Unfortunately TW will charge you $20 to do this. Which to me is outrageous. I found another store that does it for free.
 

TennisHound

Legend
Wilson's QC is one of the worst. When I buy a new frame I always have someone find me a racquet with the unstrung static weight I desire. Unfortunately TW will charge you $20 to do this. Which to me is outrageous. I found another store that does it for free.
Yep, unfortunately, TW can't make them lighter ;) It seems quality control errs consistently on the heavier side on these racquets, as none are reported lighter than spec. Weird
 

Mirdad

Semi-Pro
o_O Is it the 16x19 or the countervail that lets you "play longer"?

Here's some of the customer reviews from TW:
-"Previous Blade was actually a nice frame. You can't even work off this frame with weight..."
-"Weight and balance on these racquets is all over the map, but I am not sure if Wilson quality control is still that bad or it is a function of the Countervail."
-"...heavier than 2015 Blades..."
-"...total strung weight with overgrip went to 11.8 oz... more head heavy than the previous version."
-"...I weighed the racquet out and it came to 11.8 ounces strung and with an overgrip. The listed strung weight is suppose to be 11.3! Wow, the quality control that Wilson has remains to be unbelievable."
-"the CV version strung with the same string weighs in at 324 grams and 2 pts Headlight!"
-"...not good for my shoulder! Overall, I prefer the 2015 version...Disappointed for a an expensive racquet that the specs are nowhere near where they should be...the CV is very tiring over 2 hours of hitting."
I have tried a few demos of the Blade 16x189 CV and have not experienced any quality problems. I think people are forgetting that by adding an overgrip and a dampener you add another 4 points to weight. 11.3 + .4 = 11.7. Depending upon the strings you use it can add another point.
 

TennisHound

Legend
I have tried a few demos of the Blade 16x189 CV and have not experienced any quality problems. I think people are forgetting that by adding an overgrip and a dampener you add another 4 points to weight. 11.3 + .4 = 11.7. Depending upon the strings you use it can add another point.
I don't think any of the comments suggest that people forgot anything as far as overgrip or dampener (doesn't add .4oz or 4pts HL). Doesn't matter now though, Some people may like the heavier weight and some won't. Wilson may have corrected the problem by now.
 

mxmx

Hall of Fame
I have a blx blade 98 and a countervail blade 98. Both rackets are great, but I'm really struggling to choose between the two. It has everything to do with balance and feel. I have strung both the same.

The blx feels more powerful with more ploughthrough and the cv more muted and faster to swing.

I really dislike this uncertainty because the subtleties between the two rackets are causing me to doubt myself, especially choosing the correct one to play with in an important singles match.
 

n8dawg6

Legend
I have a blx blade 98 and a countervail blade 98. Both rackets are great, but I'm really struggling to choose between the two. It has everything to do with balance and feel. I have strung both the same.

The blx feels more powerful with more ploughthrough and the cv more muted and faster to swing.

I really dislike this uncertainty because the subtleties between the two rackets are causing me to doubt myself, especially choosing the correct one to play with in an important singles match.
the CV is underrated, at least on these boards. i like mine better than the v7.
 
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