Breathtaking tennis by Djokovic

myth

Professional
Federer was 35 before Djokovic beat him at W. Nadal is 34.
I give Djokovic credit for raising his level but the bottom line is he had to wait for nadal and federer to decline to do it. If you think this nadal is close to peak Nadal or Federer w 2019 was anywhere near peak federer then it is just fanboyism

Nah.

He did overcome an old Fed....but being honest. Fed played really well at the FO and USO in 2011 and Novak did beat Fed at the USO.

Novak and Nadal are from the same generation. In 2011, Nadal was playing his peak or just as well in 2010....He made all finals that year losing to Novak..

 

Beckerserve

Legend
Nah.

He did overcome an old Fed....but being honest. Fed played really well at the FO and USO in 2011 and Novak did beat Fed at the USO.

Novak and Nadal are from the same generation. In 2011, Nadal was playing his peak or just as well in 2010....He made all finals that year losing to Novak..

At the Majors post 2011 Nadal owned Djokovic. It is only since Nadal got past 30 Djokovic closed the gap.
The thing is Nadal and Federer have beat peak Djokovic on his best surface at his peak in Majors. Djokovic never managed to beat Nadal and Federer at their peak on theirs.
Beating Nadal now at 34 means very little. He is not the player he was.
 

RS

Bionic Poster
How a win over a 34 years old Nadal in such terrible conditions can prove he can beat an in-form Nadal anywhere? He never beat an in-form Nadal in RG, and he never will, because RG doesn't exist anymore. I don't want to hear all the "as the king of clay Nadal should adapt to a bit different conditions". No, these are not a bit different conditions. They COMPLETELY changed everything-roof, lights, weather, balls, surface-EVERYTHING is now different. This is not RG anymore.
Changed weather :-D:-D
 

itrium84

Hall of Fame
How a win over a 34 years old Nadal in such terrible conditions can prove he can beat an in-form Nadal anywhere? He never beat an in-form Nadal in RG, and he never will, because RG doesn't exist anymore. I don't want to hear all the "as the king of clay Nadal should adapt to a bit different conditions". No, these are not a bit different conditions. They COMPLETELY changed everything-roof, lights, weather, balls, surface-EVERYTHING is now different. This is not RG anymore.
You've got it all wrong man - RG was never real RG until 2020. :)
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
It’s great to see Djokovic fans so confident, so excited and so consumed about the FO title because when Nadal wins his 13th they won’t be able to say how the FO is not important. :cool:
So let’s say it now. The FO is not important
nah, it‘s important :-D
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
I know but the way he said changed it as him anybody saw covid coming and planned this in a cunning way.
Do you feel that they should have NOT held the tournament? I think they are ill prepared and it's a mess.
 

Eren

Professional
Here we go again...This is NOT Roland Garros anymore. They didn't change the conditions a bit, they changed them COMPLETELY. Different surface, different balls, different weather, roof, lights, and so on. This is not RG, this is now a different tournament. The new conditions are terrible for Nadal and he can't be the favorite here.

What do you mean with different surface?
 

Eren

Professional
Federer was 35 before Djokovic beat him at W. Nadal is 34.
I give Djokovic credit for raising his level but the bottom line is he had to wait for nadal and federer to decline to do it. If you think this nadal is close to peak Nadal or Federer w 2019 was anywhere near peak federer then it is just fanboyism

Federer was 32.9 years old when Djokovic beat him at Wimbledon in 2014. The year after that, the gap was just too large. A peak ATG vs 34-year-old means it was game over.
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
Lol people hyping djokovic. This was his first true test against a guy that has problems with mobility. I think nadal would have fed KK a breadstick
 

ND-13

Hall of Fame
Federer was 35 before Djokovic beat him at W. Nadal is 34.
I give Djokovic credit for raising his level but the bottom line is he had to wait for nadal and federer to decline to do it. If you think this nadal is close to peak Nadal or Federer w 2019 was anywhere near peak federer then it is just fanboyism

Current Nadal is not like 2015, out of form, Nadal.

While he may not be at his peak, so is Djokovic, well removed from his best. Rafa has been thumping opponents left and right and losing a second time to Djokovic should STOP any talk of Djokovic only beating declined versions of Rafa.
 

Daniel Andrade

Hall of Fame
One thing to keep in mind as well. The weather can change from today till Sunday. I still have nadal as the slight favorite if they meet.
Oh, I think Djokovic will beat Nadal in a close match, however I'm almost sure they will meet.

However thinking Nadal would have lost to Kachanov is simply ridiculous
 
I’m impressed with Djokovic level. He has a good chance if he keeps his level up and keeps his cool under pressure.

Tougher tests to come but Novak in good shape. Bring on a repeat of the busta match. No disqualification for the Spaniard to rely on this time;)
 

duaneeo

Legend
Didn't watch the match, but even though Nole played "breathtaking tennis", he still faced 9 break points? Against clay court specialist Khachanov? This makes me feel good!
 

myth

Professional
At the Majors post 2011 Nadal owned Djokovic. It is only since Nadal got past 30 Djokovic closed the gap.
The thing is Nadal and Federer have beat peak Djokovic on his best surface at his peak in Majors. Djokovic never managed to beat Nadal and Federer at their peak on theirs.
Beating Nadal now at 34 means very little. He is not the player he was.

When did Nadal beat Novak at his peak on HC? Please don't tell me USO 2010 2013? Novak played terrible.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Current Nadal is not like 2015, out of form, Nadal.

While he may not be at his peak, so is Djokovic, well removed from his best. Rafa has been thumping opponents left and right and losing a second time to Djokovic should STOP any talk of Djokovic only beating declined versions of Rafa.
If Nadal makes final beating an inform Thiem i agree. If Thiem goes out im afraid if Nadal loses the final the narrative will be he is past it at 34.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
I am very impressed by Djokovic tennis especially today. What a difference in quality from Rome last week.
I agree and several times while watching the match I thought, "this is approaching 2011 level." He's not as confident or as young as 2011, but there were glimpses of 2011 today. He's playing extremely well so far and expending as little energy as is possible.
 

Rina

Hall of Fame
How a win over a 34 years old Nadal in such terrible conditions can prove he can beat an in-form Nadal anywhere? He never beat an in-form Nadal in RG, and he never will, because RG doesn't exist anymore. I don't want to hear all the "as the king of clay Nadal should adapt to a bit different conditions". No, these are not a bit different conditions. They COMPLETELY changed everything-roof, lights, weather, balls, surface-EVERYTHING is now different. This is not RG anymore.
Oh, no, poor Nadal, RG robbed him of what exactly? The fact that you have to do such mental gymnastics and don't' even realize it proves that Djokovic is a more accomplished tennis player than your boy Rafa. What does it say about Rafa's slams that he can only win them in certain weather, at a certain temperature, not under the roof, and you don't want to hear that? You just proved that no Nadal fan has any common sense and you are utter tools that will spin anything to justify their champ losing.
All we hear is that you are whining like a baby and are scared. Nadal is scared of this Novak too.
 

Rina

Hall of Fame
Federer was 35 before Djokovic beat him at W. Nadal is 34.
I give Djokovic credit for raising his level but the bottom line is he had to wait for nadal and federer to decline to do it. If you think this nadal is close to peak Nadal or Federer w 2019 was anywhere near peak federer then it is just fanboyism
Excuses, excuse, always there for Fed and Nadal, never there for Djokovic. How about Novak was cheated of grand slams by crowds that should have been told to shut up by the umpire? By linesmen making errors that cost him dearly? We don't care what is Nadal's state now, all we know is that Fed won most GS in a weak era. Once Nole showed up to play, Fed was....allegedly not in his prime?! But, he almost won most of their grand slam finals? But, past his prime? Mental gymnastics are for the weak.
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
I agree and several times while watching the match I thought, "this is approaching 2011 level." He's not as confident or as young as 2011, but there were glimpses of 2011 today. He's playing extremely well so far and expending as little energy as is possible.
I've NEVER seen him play better on clay. It's only 4 matches so far. But IMO he is playing BETTER than he did when he won RG.
I think he cruises to the title here without much trouble.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic has to face his demons in the form of Busta in the QF. The man who ended Djoker's streak. And just may do so again! o_O
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Oh, no, poor Nadal, RG robbed him of what exactly? The fact that you have to do such mental gymnastics and don't' even realize it proves that Djokovic is a more accomplished tennis player than your boy Rafa. What does it say about Rafa's slams that he can only win them in certain weather, at a certain temperature, not under the roof, and you don't want to hear that? You just proved that no Nadal fan has any common sense and you are utter tools that will spin anything to justify their champ losing.
All we hear is that you are whining like a baby and are scared. Nadal is scared of this Novak too.
What is your point? Yes, players prefer some conditions and don't like other conditions. Djokovic hated the RG conditions before, he was always beatable there. Now they suddenly changed everything and the conditions became perfect for him. He can only win thanks to that.
 

bjsnider

Hall of Fame
Djokovic wins a tennis match and the hyperbole is off the charts. He's the greatest, he's the perfect player etc.
He just won a single match, that's all. He hasn't won this tournament, or been to the final, in 4 years.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic wins a tennis match and the hyperbole is off the charts. He's the greatest, he's the perfect player etc.
He just won a single match, that's all. He hasn't won this tournament, or been to the final, in 4 years.
Djokovic is in fine form. I predict he wins at least 1 set against The Bull!
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Current Nadal is not like 2015, out of form, Nadal.

While he may not be at his peak, so is Djokovic, well removed from his best. Rafa has been thumping opponents left and right and losing a second time to Djokovic should STOP any talk of Djokovic only beating declined versions of Rafa.
Djokovic was running away from Nadal like crazy in RG 2017-2019. Now when they changed EVERYTHING and turned this into a different tournament he of course started winning. Nadal is not as bad as he was in 2015, but he is clearly past his prime, and the current conditions are terrible for him.
 
I am very impressed by Djokovic tennis especially today. What a difference in quality from Rome last week.

44 winners today in three sets on clay in heavy conditions. I repeat 44 winners. Last round he hit 40 winners. He is hitting winners for fun and the cuts he is taking on the ball is mighty. His serve is just as impressive. Novak and his tennis ability never stops to amaze me. It's hard to understand how it's possible to be this good.

It might be recency bias but this is some of the best tennis I have seen Djokovic play on the clay all aspects of the game considered and also this year overall. His play from defensive positions are also impregnable. So entertaining to watch when he plays like this.

His addition of drop shots to his game is also a positive but in certain moments he is using it way too much and in moments where there is no need for a dropshot and he ends up making a mistake. Still this gives him more variety that he can use when he wants to change things up. That's a good thing.

Here is to hoping Djokovic keeps this up. I am very hopeful considering what we have seen so far. But still alot of work to do and a bad day at the office could be the end for him. Looking long term though Djokovic is not going anywhere with how he keeps on working with his game. This is also what makes me glad seeing Djokovic today and not just for his chances at this tournament, he could lose, but the guy plans on staying at the top for years and years to come.
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pj80

Legend
Federer was 35 before Djokovic beat him at W. Nadal is 34.
I give Djokovic credit for raising his level but the bottom line is he had to wait for nadal and federer to decline to do it. If you think this nadal is close to peak Nadal or Federer w 2019 was anywhere near peak federer then it is just fanboyism
fed played his best level @wimbledon in 2015.
 

Rina

Hall of Fame
What is your point? Yes, players prefer some conditions and don't like other conditions. Djokovic hated the RG conditions before, he was always beatable there. Now they suddenly changed everything and the conditions became perfect for him. He can only win thanks to that.
My point is that you are a hypocrite, clearly! Plus, not sure how bright you are if you did not get that, which was spelled out.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
What is your point? Yes, players prefer some conditions and don't like other conditions. Djokovic hated the RG conditions before, he was always beatable there. Now they suddenly changed everything and the conditions became perfect for him. He can only win thanks to that.

Lol no he didn't hate it. What is this drivel. He never complained like Nadal did with balls and high temperatures.

The poster you are replying to has a point. Why can't Nadal adjust? It's still clay after all and he is supposedly the king of clay. Shouldn't matter what conditions he is playing in. He has to adjust. There are no excuses for him here.
 

bhpower

Semi-Pro
He turned the shame and pain from his default in the USOPEN into something positive.
His playing awesome, just Rafa at his absolute best could stop him in the final.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Lol no he didn't hate it. What is this drivel. He never complained like Nadal did with balls and high temperatures.

The poster you are replying to has a point. Why can't Nadal adjust? It's still clay after all and he is supposedly the king of clay. Shouldn't matter what conditions he is playing in. He has to adjust. There are no excuses for him here.
Not really. I have never seen such a low bouncing clay court in my life. So how can he adjust to COMPLETELY different conditions, especially at age 34? Djokovic is also not the same player on different types of hardcourts.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Not really. I have never seen such a low bouncing clay court in my life. So how can he adjust to COMPLETELY different conditions, especially at age 34? Djokovic is also not the same player on different types of hardcourts.

He is a professional tennis player who hits a ball for a living and very successfull at that. I'm pretty sure he knows how to adjust.

No excuses. If he wins, he wins, if he loses, he loses. There are no excuses. This is his surface, and "his court". He should know better than anyone what to do. If he doesn't win it's a big disappointment for him.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
He is a professional tennis player who hits a ball for a living and very successfull at that. I'm pretty sure he knows how to adjust.

No excuses. If he wins, he wins, if he loses, he loses. There are no excuses. This is his surface, and "his court". He should know better than anyone what to do. If he doesn't win it's a big disappointment for him.
You are just trying to hype this "matchup" like always. The current conditions are perfect for Djokovic and terrible for Nadal. This is not Nadal's court anymore.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
You are just trying to hype this "matchup" like always. The current conditions are perfect for Djokovic and terrible for Nadal. This is not Nadal's court anymore.

I'm not hyping anything. It's just facts. And the matchup has not even happened yet. They have 2 more matches to play. I'm not talking about this possible match. I'm just talking about Nadal and these "conditions he can't adjust to".

Nadal has won 12 here, clay is his best surface, and he skipped USO just to be able to be fit for this major event. Like every year the tournament he prepares the most for is RG. He is looking to win here.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
I've NEVER seen him play better on clay. But IMO he is playing BETTER than he did when he won RG.
I think by far his best clay level was 2011 and 2015 and he didn't win it either year. In 2016 (the year he won it), his clay level wasn't nearly as high as 2011/2015, but he won it because Rafa withdrew with his wrist third round.
 
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