Bringing back a ball toss on serve should be a fault

[yokied]

How about we just enforce the rules that are on the books? Like the receiver must play to the pace set by the server, for starters.

 

[Ronaldo]

Use to toss then catch my toss, look up to see what that receiving sucka wuz up to. Of course he cried a river,

 

[Tshooter]

How about we just enforce the rules that are on the books? Like the receiver must play to the pace set by the server, for starters.

We can’t address x because we didn’t first address y. Always love that reasoning. It’s a good basis for inaction on everything.

 

[Tshooter]

I played a guy at the states two years ago in a doubles match (thank God) who caught his toss at least every other toss. It pissed me off. I also noticed that his tosses were pretty much in the same place. there should be a rule against that...period...

#meTooTennisToss

 

[zaph]

So do you get invited a lot to go for drinks after the tennis ?

You find whining about your opponents during play makes you popular? Funny old world.

 

[snr]

How about for 2.0 tennis? Is it alright to catch a toss then? What about at the 4.5 level? College? Satellites? Futures? Windy conditions? High sun? People causing a distraction?

Tennis is a bigger game than just what's seen on tv.

People causing a distraction? Balling rolling on court? Sure. These are external factors by people. For any levels. I don't think the debate is with external factors. Its about factors within someones control which a ball toss is.

2.0 tennis? if they have special rules... sure. Nothing wrong with 2.0 level tennis but they are generally not "competing" and hitting for fun. As its social tennis, one can set up their own rules. They're having fun, all the power to them.

Any type of competitive tennis where you are trying to win points and have rankings to try to gain and generally bring a competitive spirit vs. friendly? Enforce it. Any level.

 

[tex123]

Okay, I've heard folks like Brad Gilbert discuss this - never gave it much thought until I was watching the NY Open final with Reilly Opelka serving on match point. He tossed the ball up and got a read on where his opponent was guessing. He hauled the serve back in. Next toss, ace in the opposite corner. With serves getting bigger and bigger, I'm coming around to the notion that this should be a fault. Thoughts?

No way. It is fine. Serves getting bigger but courts are getting slower too. Return game is improving too.

 

[sureshs]

I am pretty sure catching your toss results in a fault in table tennis and badminton. I don't think it's to save time though. I just think it's only fair that the server should be held accountable for failing to execute part of his service motion since it counts as a shot in the game. We don't give people a free pass for failing other shots in the game!

Tennis is the exception probably because wind and sun influence the toss. Not so in TT and baddy.

 

[Tony48]

It really should be at the discretion of the umpire. But not a fault. Maybe a warning or something.

 

[Deleted member 23235]

i'm a serial retosser... IMO you shouldn't be allowed to retoss... that said, as long as rule doesn't change, and as long as my toss sucks... i'll be catch and tossing as often as i need to...

 

[Fiero425]

i'm a serial retosser... IMO you shouldn't be allowed to retoss... that said, as long as rule doesn't change, and as long as my toss sucks... i'll be catch and tossing as often as i need to...

I played for over 30 years and you can count on one hand how many times I re-tossed! It just was never an issue; a lot of the times I was hitting the ball on the way up! Think Roscoe Tanner; pretty much hitting the serve right out of my hand! High tosses by players can be a problem; esp. when windy or sunny, but it never really affected me THANK GAWD!

 

[Deleted member 23235]

I played for over 30 years and you can count on one hand how many times I re-tossed! It just was never an issue; a lot of the times I was hitting the ball on the way up! Think Roscoe Tanner; pretty much hitting the serve right out of my hand! High tosses by players can be a problem; esp. when windy or sunny, but it never really affected me THANK GAWD!

i used to serve that way, but i find it harder to incorporate all power sources to generate rhs (thus less spin and pace)
dolgopolov is the modern day example i think

 

[JMR]

How do other sports compare which have a toss before the serve:

volleyball
badminton
squash
table tennis
racquetball

In table tennis, the sport with a service toss most closely analogous to the toss in tennis, the rule is that the point begins as soon as the ball leaves the open palm of the server. This means that if the serve is not attempted at all, the server still loses the point.

However, table tennis is an indoor sport. There really is no excuse for not continuing to serve once the ball is put in motion. No gust of wind will blow the ball off-course. No moving cloud will suddenly allow a burst of sunlight in the server's eyes. (If a huge noise suddenly occurred at the same time, the umpire probably would just call a let.)

 

[Deleted member 23235]

In table tennis, the sport with a service toss most closely analogous to the toss in tennis, the rule is that the point begins as soon as the ball leaves the open palm of the server. This means that if the serve is not attempted at all, the server still loses the point.

However, table tennis is an indoor sport. There really is no excuse for not continuing to serve once the ball is put in motion. No gust of wind will blow the ball off-course. No moving cloud will suddenly allow a burst of sunlight in the server's eyes. (If a huge noise suddenly occurred at the same time, the umpire probably would just call a let.)

I wonder if that’s the reason... (unforeseen distractions).

the general rule regarding the code is to give your opponent a fair chance to execute (ie avoid gamesmanship, etc,...)... part of why I liked tennis,... seemed like a “gentleman” sport. so maybe the idea of retossing was to slow for things like wind gusts, noises, ball rolling on court, etc,...)


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[yokied]

We can’t address x because we didn’t first address y. Always love that reasoning. It’s a good basis for inaction on everything.

Except there is no Y here. We're talking about the same thing: rules. You want to add more rules when the existing ones aren't being enforced. What do you think is going to happen? 1 rule or 1000 rules, if the enforcement sucks, nothing is going to change.

 

[Tshooter]

...You want to add more rules when the existing ones aren't being enforced.

You get to define what y is which is not improving tennis but “rules” and there can be no introduction of any rules whatsoever if you can find any rule that isn’t being enforced to your satisfaction.

Ok, /thread.

Why are we even discussing this ?! I found another thread unresolved.

 

[van_Loederen]

i think that heckling would become a real problem then.

Tennis is the exception probably because wind and sun influence the toss. Not so in TT and baddy.

good point too. the 2nd serve might suffice though.
in these sports you also serve faster. the tennis serve is more complex and important.

 

[mtommer]

I don't think the debate is with external factors. Its about factors within someones control which a ball toss is.

Perhaps but how would one legislate wind and sun? Tennis is a unique sport in how the serve is a weapon and integral part of strategy, given the mostly outdoors nature of it.

 

[Pandora Mikado]

Tennis is the exception probably because wind and sun influence the toss. Not so in TT and baddy.

Wind would affect a badminton shuttlecock more than a tennis ball which is also why it’s an indoor sport. Of the three, for the most part tennis is an outdoor sport - most certainly at recreational levels

I’m surprised people above would even think to compare the three in such a manner

 

[Poisoned Slice]

I agree.

 

[snr]

Perhaps but how would one legislate wind and sun? Tennis is a unique sport in how the serve is a weapon and integral part of strategy, given the mostly outdoors nature of it.

Very good point it would be hard. I guess I'm just sick of people "practicing" before serving. It's not fair. One doesn't get a redo on any other stroke. I guess we'd have to eliminate it altogether.. .the other opponent would have the same disadvantages I guess.