Cell Phone Query

SlapShot

Hall of Fame
It's time to replace my old flip phone, and as I am a busy guy, I'm leaning toward the Smart-phone route. I've checked out the iPhone and the HTC Diamond Touch that Sprint carries. I've also looked at the Samsung Instinct. The plans will cost me the same whether I go with AT&T or Sprint (I have Verizon right now, and am going to be leaving their network).

I don't want a Blackberry, and like the thought of a touch-screen phone.

Any experiences for y'all to bring up on either phone (I'm more curious about the HTC as I've heard both great and not-so great).
 

mikeler

Moderator
I have the original iPhone and here are a few pros and cons as I see them:

Pros
1) User interface is just so simple to use.
2) Ability to download tons of free and low cost software from iTunes.
3) Text messaging in conversation view.
4) Google maps application with GPS.
5) Ability to sync contacts through my Gmail account.

Cons
1) Sound quality. I bought a Bluetooth ear piece so I can hear people in the car.
2) Have to use a hack to create custom ringtones for free.
3) No video camera capability.
4) No Adobe Flash support in the web browser.
 

jrod

Hall of Fame
Well, before you leave Verizon for Sprint or ATT you had better assess their radio coverage. In my area Verizon uses 800-900 MHz bands to provide cell coverage and Sprint uses 1800 MHz. As a consequence of the higher bands used by Sprint, their coverage is far worse than VZW and their network costs are more because they need nearly 2x as many cell sites to cover the same area.

The fanciest phone in the world still doesn't work for $#!+ when the coverage sucks....
 

SlapShot

Hall of Fame
Well, before you leave Verizon for Sprint or ATT you had better assess their radio coverage. In my area Verizon uses 800-900 MHz bands to provide cell coverage and Sprint uses 1800 MHz. As a consequence of the higher bands used by Sprint, their coverage is far worse than VZW and their network costs are more because they need nearly 2x as many cell sites to cover the same area.

The fanciest phone in the world still doesn't work for $#!+ when the coverage sucks....

I used to have Sprint before coming to Verizon, and their coverage in the Mpls area is great.

AT&T isn't as good as Verizon or Sprint coverage-wise, but they aren't terrible either.
 

jrod

Hall of Fame
I've looked at the majority of these - the Blackberry Storm has the worst UI I've seen on a touchscreen phone. Yuck.


For UI, iphone is hard to beat. Unfortuantely, I've heard there are issues with the 3G modem in the iphone and that it defaults to the older technology which is extremely lame.

Perhaps listing your priorities in terms of what you want/need will help you in your decision process....
 

SlapShot

Hall of Fame
For UI, iphone is hard to beat. Unfortuantely, I've heard there are issues with the 3G modem in the iphone and that it defaults to the older technology which is extremely lame.

Perhaps listing your priorities in terms of what you want/need will help you in your decision process....

Priorities:

#1 - My phone must be a solid phone - the other features mean nothing if I can't make and receive phone calls that are good and clear

#2 - Ease of use - I have steered away from the majority of Windows Mobile phones for that reason - the HTC is the only Windows mobile phone that isn't clunky feeling

#3 - GPS - As of February 1st, I'll be travelling more for work, and GPS is going to be needed

#4 - E-mail access - same as above. I don't mind if I can't sync my Outlook with my phone, but I at least need OWA access while out of the office

For all purposes, the big 3 carriers (AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint) have good coverage around the Mpls area, so carrier isn't a major issue.
 

jrod

Hall of Fame
Priorities:

#1 - My phone must be a solid phone - the other features mean nothing if I can't make and receive phone calls that are good and clear

#2 - Ease of use - I have steered away from the majority of Windows Mobile phones for that reason - the HTC is the only Windows mobile phone that isn't clunky feeling

#3 - GPS - As of February 1st, I'll be travelling more for work, and GPS is going to be needed

#4 - E-mail access - same as above. I don't mind if I can't sync my Outlook with my phone, but I at least need OWA access while out of the office

For all purposes, the big 3 carriers (AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint) have good coverage around the Mpls area, so carrier isn't a major issue.

Definitely agree with staying away from Windows...junk. We already have to reboot our laptops every day, why the hell would we want to do this with our cell phones?

Seriously, the iPhone sounds pretty close to ideal given these priorities (I say this even though I am not a big Apple fan). The only thing that might kill it for me is the issue of the 3G modem performance and the way the phone interoperates with the infrastructure...if there is any truth to the rumors then I might elect to go with something like a traditional Blackberry operating on an 800 MHz network. PCS 1.8 GHz networks, in general, suck compared to 800 MHz in many areas in the lower 48.
 

mikeler

Moderator
I have never been an Apple guy. That all changed when I bought the iPhone. I'm a computer programmer and I try to write all my web pages so that they are clear and easy to navigate. This is what Apple does with their iPhone. Everything just makes sense. Windows just seems to make things much more complicated than they need to be.

I think the sound quality is better with the new iPhone. I've seen the 3G work and it is definitely better than the Edge network that I'm stuck with. The GPS is also better on the new iPhone from what I've seen. If you have an Apple store near you, go try it out.
 

LuckyR

Legend
Where I live, Verizon is far and away the best coverage, so no IPhones for me. I have heard the worst part of the IPhone is... the phone. The rest (esp GUI) is supposed to be superior.

Myself, through Verizon I am likely to be going with either the Omnia or the Saga, by Samsung. Only the Omnia is touchscreen.

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mikeler

Moderator
The sound quality is the worst part of the original iPhone. Can anyone verify the sound quality of the new 3G iPhone?
 

SlapShot

Hall of Fame
Where I live, Verizon is far and away the best coverage, so no IPhones for me. I have heard the worst part of the IPhone is... the phone. The rest (esp GUI) is supposed to be superior.

Myself, through Verizon I am likely to be going with either the Omnia or the Saga, by Samsung. Only the Omnia is touchscreen.

Make sure you take a spin on the Omnia before you buy it - it's Windows Mobile, and it's really not the easiest to move around on.
 

Lakoste

Professional
I didnt see a budget listed anywhere, so check out some Nokia's. I'm definately giving the n97 a test run when it comes out.
 

Hot Sauce

Hall of Fame
I'm getting a smart phone too after the new year, and I'm leaning towards the HTC Touch Pro. It's like the Diamond, but it's a slider and it has a full qwerty keyboard. It's got more ram, faster processor, and better battery life than the Diamond, but other than that, they're identical. The Diamond is a lot thinner, though.
 
B

BJ_Sprint

Guest
Hey SlapShot, my name is BJ DeHut and I am a representative for Sprint. Of course I am biased, but I highly suggest the HTC Touch Pro. After spending a month or two combing through forums I have seen nothing but praise for the phone. Currently I know Best Buy has a deal to get the phone for $199, not sure how long that promotion will be around for, but it is a good opportunity to get it for cheaper. I highly suggest just playing around with all the phones you mentioned and find the one you like best though.
 

LuckyR

Legend
Make sure you take a spin on the Omnia before you buy it - it's Windows Mobile, and it's really not the easiest to move around on.

The HTC Touch Pro is Windows too, but is getting a lot of praise. Why the difference in your opinion?
 

SlapShot

Hall of Fame
The HTC Touch Pro is Windows too, but is getting a lot of praise. Why the difference in your opinion?

The HTC runs a skin that's second to none as Windows Mobile phones go (from what I've seen anyway - comparing it to the Omnia and the LG that AT&T carries).
 

LuckyR

Legend
The HTC runs a skin that's second to none as Windows Mobile phones go (from what I've seen anyway - comparing it to the Omnia and the LG that AT&T carries).

Yeah, it looks better than the Omnia (I was a little leary of the touchscreen keypad of the Omnia and was leaning towards the Saga). The Diamond would be like the Omnia but with a better GUI. The Touch Pro seems like the best compromise, better GUI, slider full keyboard, Verizon coverage. If only they'd take a hundred or so off of the price...
 

Hot Sauce

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It's good that the Touch Pro is getting some love, I'm planning on getting that one. The thing that I like about it is that its touch screen can be used with a stylus, or fingers. When I've tried the iPhone, I was a little annoyed that you can only use your fingers to type text.
 

Hot Sauce

Hall of Fame
Downside of the Touch Pro is that you'll need a man purse to carry it around. It is uber thick.

This is true. It's like 7 millimeters thicker compared to the Diamond which is basically the same phone, but doesn't have a keyboard.
 

SlapShot

Hall of Fame
This is true. It's like 7 millimeters thicker compared to the Diamond which is basically the same phone, but doesn't have a keyboard.

The slide on the Touch Pro feels a little hinky to me. Being that I'm hardly gentle on my phones (I don't abuse them, but they get plenty of use), that scares me on a $400 phone.
 

Hot Sauce

Hall of Fame
The slide on the Touch Pro feels a little hinky to me. Being that I'm hardly gentle on my phones (I don't abuse them, but they get plenty of use), that scares me on a $400 phone.

Ah yeah, I heard about that in one video review on YouTube. I haven't actually heard of the slider busting though, so I think it would just be an annoyance or paranoia factor.
 

LuckyR

Legend
I found out that the Verizon HTC Touch Pro is not the same as the "regular" Touch Pro and has much poorer reviews. They don't offer the Diamond so I guess it'll be the Saga.
 

Brettolius

Professional
The Android OS is the poop and the g1 is a sweet phone from what I can see, my buddy got one the other day. Plus I'm sure shortly there will be other phones running android. That's definitely the way I'm going when my current contract is up. Anybody else have the g1 and have any opinions?
 

takl23

Semi-Pro
I have the palm treo with AT&T and really love it. Touch screen and has everything you need. Check it out!

Cheers,

Tim
 

SlapShot

Hall of Fame
I ended up with an iPhone. So far, it's as good as promised - I've got it linked with my personal e-mail, and everything is peachy so far.
 

diredesire

Adjunct Moderator
Looks like you already got your phone (good choice). I'd still like to chime in, though.

I have the original iPhone and here are a few pros and cons as I see them:

Pros
1) User interface is just so simple to use.
2) Ability to download tons of free and low cost software from iTunes.
3) Text messaging in conversation view.
4) Google maps application with GPS.
5) Ability to sync contacts through my Gmail account.

Cons
1) Sound quality. I bought a Bluetooth ear piece so I can hear people in the car.
2) Have to use a hack to create custom ringtones for free.
3) No video camera capability.
4) No Adobe Flash support in the web browser.

I think the iPhone interface is really, really good. I have an ATT Tilt, and I tinker around with custom ROMs (OSes) on a regular basis. I personally think since the OP said he's busy within the first few sentences that WinMo and getting the phone "just how you like it" is a hassle, and it takes time. If you don't like to tinker by nature, the iPhone will get you exceptionally close to a really good overall user experience by default. The browser is really good, also. Multi touch is incredibly, incredibly useful. Too bad Apple is so rude about sharing :( (google if you are interested)


There's a pretty good video camera if you jailbreak your phone....
If you want to go through the hassle for something that will "just work." Jail breaking itself isn't rocket science by any means, but it just opens up doors that take time to explore. IMHO, for the OP, it might not be the best idea ;)

For UI, iphone is hard to beat. Unfortuantely, I've heard there are issues with the 3G modem in the iphone and that it defaults to the older technology which is extremely lame.

Perhaps listing your priorities in terms of what you want/need will help you in your decision process....
3G itself isn't really great in implementation, IMO. I'm excited to see where WiMAX goes, I think the impact of the 4G network is going to be much greater than most people think... it'll be a year or two out before it gets accepted into mainstream in the US, though...

As far as defaulting, what else would you expect? If 3G is weak, I'd sure as heck want edge to take over...

Priorities:

#1 - My phone must be a solid phone - the other features mean nothing if I can't make and receive phone calls that are good and clear

#2 - Ease of use - I have steered away from the majority of Windows Mobile phones for that reason - the HTC is the only Windows mobile phone that isn't clunky feeling

#3 - GPS - As of February 1st, I'll be travelling more for work, and GPS is going to be needed

#4 - E-mail access - same as above. I don't mind if I can't sync my Outlook with my phone, but I at least need OWA access while out of the office

For all purposes, the big 3 carriers (AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint) have good coverage around the Mpls area, so carrier isn't a major issue.

Good plan, I find the HTC devices to be completely awesome, but it takes a lot of work to get them to work. My brother also has a tilt, and he hates it because it's really fiddly to work with. The TouchFLO interface is a definite improvement, but it's just a nice skin on top of clunky winmo. I expect to see drastic updates to the winmo interface, though.

Definitely agree with staying away from Windows...junk. We already have to reboot our laptops every day, why the hell would we want to do this with our cell phones?

Seriously, the iPhone sounds pretty close to ideal given these priorities (I say this even though I am not a big Apple fan). The only thing that might kill it for me is the issue of the 3G modem performance and the way the phone interoperates with the infrastructure...if there is any truth to the rumors then I might elect to go with something like a traditional Blackberry operating on an 800 MHz network. PCS 1.8 GHz networks, in general, suck compared to 800 MHz in many areas in the lower 48.
Bingo. Don't let the Apple stigma steer you away, and don't fear that you're buying into a device simply because it's mainstream and "cool." Apple did a good job with their implementation. I'm not saying it's perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but the usability is much better than any other phone that I've had the pleasure to use.

It's good that the Touch Pro is getting some love, I'm planning on getting that one. The thing that I like about it is that its touch screen can be used with a stylus, or fingers. When I've tried the iPhone, I was a little annoyed that you can only use your fingers to type text.
Capacitive touch screens (iPhone) have their pros and cons. I personally think that resistive touch panels (TP, Tilt, etc) can be really, really annoying.

I ended up with an iPhone. So far, it's as good as promised - I've got it linked with my personal e-mail, and everything is peachy so far.
You'll find small gripes that may or may not develop into huge annoyances, but in general, I find the iPhone more intuitive and fully featured compared to other UIs. I think this problem is hugely due to the fact that Apple is hogging the multitouch to themselves :(
 
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