Crowd booing an umpire! A first?

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
Fake stories? He continually refused to serve within the allotted time and get away with it. If you replay match point, that serve was after the shot clock expired too.

But the worst of it was refusing to return Daniil's serve. That's just poor and led to him getting two breaks in the final set.

I actually like Rafa, but his dirty tactics in that match don't reflect well upon him as a person.
Rafa haters who write that they 'actually like Rafa' make me laugh at them.:-D
 

Mike Sams

Legend
Everyone got booed including Nadal. Crowd booed him when he trotted off to get a new racquet and booed him when he tried to hold up Med on serve more than once. Crowd was pretty fair I thought overall.
 

Mike Sams

Legend
Would an umpire call time violation on Fed if it were championship point in the 5th set of a 5 hour match and Fed winds up losing cause of that? I think there would be a tremendous uproar.
You get a warning first. You get a fault on a second offense. Nadal was lucky he didn't get deducted a game from all the tactics he employed. LOL
Holding up his hand several times to claim he wasn't ready was pretty crappy on his part. Like dude, you play to the speed of the server. So you better be ready.
 

Genious at Work

Hall of Fame
Breaking the rules in any kind of sport isn't only a "fault". It's a total lack of respect to the game, to the opponent and to the spectators. This is not a matter of opinion.
Time rules are discretionarily enforced in tennis, unlike a foot fault. Besides, the crowd and Medvedev were both ecstatic. Only a few Feddards seem to be hysteric about it.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
This whole time limit between points is unnecessary and inconsistent. There is a maximum time limit but no minimum time limit so tall players who consequently serve big like Kyrgios exploit this by serving like 5 seconds after the last point because serving comes naturally to them whilst players who have to think about it are rushed to serve within 25 seconds.

The server knows he has 25 seconds but the receiver doesn’t know how long he has. It could be anything between 1 second and 25 seconds depending on the server. Rafa had both arms up to signify he wasn’t ready when Medvedev served. Both the umpire and Medvedev knew that, that’s why the umpire didn’t uphold the ace and Medvedev didn’t complain.
 

Mike Sams

Legend
This whole time limit between points is unnecessary and inconsistent. There is a maximum time limit but no minimum time limit so tall players who consequently serve big like Kyrgios exploit this by serving like 5 seconds after the last point because serving comes naturally to them whilst players who have to think about it are rushed to serve within 25 seconds.

The server knows he has 25 seconds but the receiver doesn’t know how long he has. It could be anything between 1 second and 25 seconds depending on the server. Rafa had both arms up to signify he wasn’t ready when Medvedev served. Both the umpire and Medvedev knew that, that’s why the umpire didn’t uphold the ace and Medvedev didn’t complain.
I've never seen anyone else raise their arms to signal they're not ready. Nadal does it a lot. LOL
 

PuiaCalin

New User
what are we discussing here? it is a first when an umpire can't control the crowd, so the players have to actually wait for the crowd to stop yelling and the shot clock expires cuz of crazyness in the crowd, then the umpire suddenly becomes an umpire again and says time violation .
And for the rest of the posters here who don't understand , i thought in every tennis match the crowd has to stop making noise before a point. Don;t even know what I'm doing here or why i even logged in .
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
You get a warning first. You get a fault on a second offense. Nadal was lucky he didn't get deducted a game from all the tactics he employed. LOL
Holding up his hand several times to claim he wasn't ready was pretty crappy on his part. Like dude, you play to the speed of the server. So you better be ready.
The rules clearly state:

"Server must play to the pace of The Nadal" :)
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
It's normal in tennis to wait for the crowd to settle down and complete silence before a ball is struck. For that reason, people are only allowed to enter the court during the change of ends so why did the umpire not think the crowd had to be silent before play begins?
 

I Am Finnish

Talk Tennis Guru
He is very popular in NYC but he was booed for stalling on Medvev's serve. The NY fans even booed Federer at one point. The US Open fans are known to be protective of underdogs, they don't let champions slide with their gameship tactics easily.
I dont believe it o_O :oops:
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
You get a warning first. You get a fault on a second offense. Nadal was lucky he didn't get deducted a game from all the tactics he employed. LOL
Holding up his hand several times to claim he wasn't ready was pretty crappy on his part. Like dude, you play to the speed of the server. So you better be ready.
You don't know the rules!

2019 OFFICIAL GRAND SLAM RULE BOOK
ARTICLE III
J. START OF MATCH / TIME VIOLATION / DELAY OF GAME
¤¤ The first violation of this Section, as either server or receiver, shall be penalised by a Time Violation warning and each subsequent violation, as either server or receiver shall be penalised as follows:
- Server The Time Violation shall result in a “fault”
- Receiver The Time Violation shall result in a “point penalty”. ¤¤
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
You get a warning first. You get a fault on a second offense. Nadal was lucky he didn't get deducted a game from all the tactics he employed. LOL
Holding up his hand several times to claim he wasn't ready was pretty crappy on his part. Like dude, you play to the speed of the server. So you better be ready.
This is proof that a lot of posters are just making up the rules and accusing Rafa of breaking rules that they have made up. Next time, check with octobrina10 before posting.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
One can make a point that you cannot give even one example of a server serving at the 5th second, unless the receiver indicated that that he was ready. That is what "reasonable pace" means, and if you ever played tennis (or indeed were able to observe what is going on before your very eyes, instead of staring at your magazines with the Nadal wearing only underwear while a tennis match was underway) ...... you would have noticed that short pauses are quite common between first and second serve, because the players don't want to lose their rhythm. Yes, that info is more easily accessible for people that play ... where was I ..... ah, yes, the above post is a complete and utter crap.

:cool:
Your post reminded me that Fed devotees are staring at Rafa's underwear area during tennis matches (concluding from comments they are constantly posting).
 

Mike Sams

Legend
You don't know the rules!

2019 OFFICIAL GRAND SLAM RULE BOOK
ARTICLE III
J. START OF MATCH / TIME VIOLATION / DELAY OF GAME
¤¤ The first violation of this Section, as either server or receiver, shall be penalised by a Time Violation warning and each subsequent violation, as either server or receiver shall be penalised as follows:
- Server The Time Violation shall result in a “fault”
- Receiver The Time Violation shall result in a “point penalty”. ¤¤
So first violation is a verbal warning
Second violation is a fault
Third violation is a point penalty
What's the fourth and fifth and sixth....according to the rule book?
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Many of the umpires are useless. They might as well just use Alexa. With Amazon now broadcasting tennis tournaments, I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't happen sooner or later.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
So first violation is a verbal warning
Second violation is a fault
Third violation is a point penalty
What's the fourth and fifth and sixth....according to the rule book?
Hmm. I wonder why you are unable to read the rules I posted. :unsure:'
I repeat:
¤¤ The first violation of this Section, as either server or receiver, shall be penalised by a Time Violation warning and each subsequent violation, as either server or receiver shall be penalised as follows:
- Server: The Time Violation shall result in a “fault”
- Receiver: The Time Violation shall result in a “point penalty”. ¤¤
 
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Mike Sams

Legend
Hmm. I wonder why you are unable to read the rules I posted. :unsure:'
I repeat:
¤¤ The first violation of this Section, as either server or receiver, shall be penalised by a Time Violation warning and each subsequent violation, as either server or receiver shall be penalised as follows:
- Server: The Time Violation shall result in a “fault”
- Receiver: The Time Violation shall result in a “point penalty”. ¤¤
I also know there are some things not listed in the rule book. If you accost the umpire over his warning that you received coaching and then demand that he apologize to you, you will be deducted a game :D
 

Sunny Ali

Hall of Fame
Sorry to tell you mate, but Rafa is gonna be the GOAT in a few months !
Herr Sentinel ... no complaints either way. All trolling aside, who among Rafa/Nole/Federer is the greatest is not of much interest to me. When I tune in, I'm looking for entertaining matches and the top 3 consistently find a way to deliver that :) Long may they continue to play :p
 

deaner2211

Semi-Pro
I agree. But Most fan groups are like that.

The New York crowd loves Rafa like anything and I don't know why. There's no player that's more popular there. Booing the umpire just drove the point home. Another depressing fact for Federer lovers :)
The New York crowd loves Federer but since he was not there they wanted Rafa to win. If Fed and Rafa were in the final the crowd would have been pro Fed.
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
The New York crowd loves Federer but since he was not there they wanted Rafa to win. If Fed and Rafa were in the final the crowd would have been pro Fed.
Probably, but against Nadal even Federer wouldn't get the full crowd support. At least 30% or more of the crowd would still root for Nadal. Rafa is pretty popular himself at US Open. You do not hear the crowds chanting a player's name often like in football the way the way the NYC crowd chanted RAFA! RAFA! RAFA! long after the championship. These types of chants are usually reserved for their countrymen. Not for an outsider.
 

I Am Finnish

Talk Tennis Guru
I need to look that up, just for my edification. Do you remember why and where it happened? Or a link if you're too lazy to type it all out :p
USO Final last year Osaka-Williams



Ramos gave her 1 warning, point penalty, penalty game & GSM Osaka

Warning: For illegal coaching

Point penalty: Racket abuse


Game penalty: called ramos out for thief



 
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Sunny Ali

Hall of Fame
The New York crowd loves Federer but since he was not there they wanted Rafa to win. If Fed and Rafa were in the final the crowd would have been pro Fed.
Sorry Deaner, this argument with Federer fans is getting tedious so I'll just conclude by saying I don't agree but I respect your right to believe as you choose, right or wrong :)
 

Sunny Ali

Hall of Fame
USO Final last year Osaka-Williams



Ramos gave her 1 warning, point penalty, penalty game & GSM Osaka

Warning: For illegal coaching

Point penalty: Racket abuse


Game penalty: called ramos out for thief



That one! Sorry for wasting your time Finnish! That one I do remember clearly. Serena Williams went way over the top there. Despite all that, I have to admit I want to see her get No. 24! She deserves to be on top more than Margaret Court, in my opinion.

It's amusing that the umpire was on the receiving end of the crowd's ire in that match and the latest US Open final despite doing his job as expected to!
 

I Am Finnish

Talk Tennis Guru
That one! Sorry for wasting your time Finnish! That one I do remember clearly. Serena Williams went way over the top there. Despite all that, I have to admit I want to see her get No. 24! She deserves to be on top more than Margaret Court, in my opinion.

It's amusing that the umpire was on the receiving end of the crowd's ire in that match and the latest US Open final despite doing his job as expected to!
Its alright :)
Ramos is banned from Serena & venus's matches
 

Fabresque

Professional
The rule book states that the returner needs to play at the speed of the server. Saw a clip the other day, Paire was going too fast for Carreno at Winston Salem I believe. While Carreno complained, he didn’t stop the point, because he recognizes the rules. All he wanted changed was the amount of time Paire was taking.

Nadal, on the other hand, just sits there with Medvedev in his motion to signal he’s not ready. With no real reason to stop play. And instead of doing the correct thing (you know, giving Medvedev his ace), the umpire tells Medvedev it’s a let.

Why is it that Nadal is always given preferential treatment? They ALWAYS bend the rules for him.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
are you part of Nadal’s PR team or do you just do this in your free time?
The 2019 Official Grand Slam Rule Book is available to everyone on the Internet.
You quoted my reply to the poster, who obviously referred to Serena Williams' clash with umpire Carlos Ramos at the 2018 USO. It has nothing to do with the Rafa team.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
The rule book states that the returner needs to play at the speed of the server. Saw a clip the other day, Paire was going too fast for Carreno at Winston Salem I believe. While Carreno complained, he didn’t stop the point, because he recognizes the rules. All he wanted changed was the amount of time Paire was taking.

Nadal, on the other hand, just sits there with Medvedev in his motion to signal he’s not ready. With no real reason to stop play. And instead of doing the correct thing (you know, giving Medvedev his ace), the umpire tells Medvedev it’s a let.

Why is it that Nadal is always given preferential treatment? They ALWAYS bend the rules for him.
Hmm. You obviously don't know what a 'let' means.
 

tennis4me

Hall of Fame
I'm not certain, since I was half watching, but I believe I watched the exact point where this contention happened. If I recalled the crowd was still going at full deafening dB, so Nadal waited. Then, he got the warning (or was it a penalty?).

I thought it was common for players to wait for the cheering crowd to somewhat stop? Don't remember seeing a warning while a player waited for the crowd - quite possibly because the clock happened to have NOT ran out during the waiting of the crowd noise? I'm presuming the umpire is not allowed to stop a clock midway once it has started regardless of the crowd situation. Or ... maybe the clock expired, but due to the crowd noise, the umpire used discretion to not enforce the warning. If that's the case then it's not consistent application with what happened at the recent final. Maybe the umpire discretion is written in as part of this clock rule?
 

LETitBE

Hall of Fame
I'm not certain, since I was half watching, but I believe I watched the exact point where this contention happened. If I recalled the crowd was still going at full deafening dB, so Nadal waited. Then, he got the warning (or was it a penalty?).

I thought it was common for players to wait for the cheering crowd to somewhat stop? Don't remember seeing a warning while a player waited for the crowd - quite possibly because the clock happened to have NOT ran out during the waiting of the crowd noise? I'm presuming the umpire is not allowed to stop a clock midway once it has started regardless of the crowd situation. Or ... maybe the clock expired, but due to the crowd noise, the umpire used discretion to not enforce the warning. If that's the case then it's not consistent application with what happened at the recent final. Maybe the umpire discretion is written in as part of this clock rule?
the umpire was pausing the clock a lot during the match
 

AM75

Hall of Fame
This whole time limit between points is unnecessary and inconsistent. There is a maximum time limit but no minimum time limit so tall players who consequently serve big like Kyrgios exploit this by serving like 5 seconds after the last point because serving comes naturally to them whilst players who have to think about it are rushed to serve within 25 seconds.

The server knows he has 25 seconds but the receiver doesn’t know how long he has. It could be anything between 1 second and 25 seconds depending on the server. Rafa had both arms up to signify he wasn’t ready when Medvedev served. Both the umpire and Medvedev knew that, that’s why the umpire didn’t uphold the ace and Medvedev didn’t complain.
Rafa was seemingly ready at least two times, but then all of the certain while Meddy was already serving he was not.
 

AM75

Hall of Fame
If the umpire agreed with you he would have given the points to Medvedev.
This umpire didn’t do his job properly. Rafa could have penalty for coaching at least twice, but the umpire didn’t want to notice it even when it was shown on screen.
 
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