Davydenko: Federer was lucky?

Alexandros

Professional
This was pointed on in Jon Wertheim's column and a good point was made that Serena gets all sorts of grief for going on about Henin making lucky shots yet Davydenko gets missed out. So let's give him some grief about his unsportsmanship:


Q. What's the one thing that makes Roger Federer so tough?
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: Lucky. He's lucky sometimes. You know, like if he gets a chance in the third set, I think everybody see like I try winning by 5‑4 and double set point, okay, one returning bad. But play from baseline, you know, hitting like, like happening not first time against him already. Like happening Australian Open. I have set point and I hitting, play from baseline rally, and like try, you know, move him, and you know, make some little bit mistake like today. But by 5‑4, I was just try, you know, concentration like hundred percent. Just keep all my power, you know, winning third set. And then like I losing 5‑5, and I lose game and set.


Q. Is luck something just happens or is luck something that you make?
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: I don't know. I think Federer's always lucky.
Really, like some many points, like I was surprising how hitting. Like sometimes he make some great slice, you know, from cross. Because I try to push. Sometimes I try to make moving him like from right and left, and then just some points he just play like so good. You know, I don't understand how you can. You know, guys running right, left, you get not so great control from baseline. He just keeping balls back. But he like sometimes plays so well and then you losing points. You like surprising because you don't know how is possible. That's was okay, but, you know, he's play well. He try always to play very good, but, you know, today was windy. It's pretty tough to play very good from baseline.


Q. On the second set point, how difficult was it for you to watch the ball miss by so little?
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: You know, like it's was ‑‑ challenge was stupid to make because I like see it was out. I was sometimes surprising was windy from one side, and I hitting along line and wind like take this ball to the right. You have no chance. You don't know what you need to do. Sometimes you just hitting, you know, not just in the middle because you don't know how is be wind and how is the wind be coming, right or left. That's was is pretty tough, you know, to play control. You don't know how you need to play. Play to the line or just play in the middle.


Q. Do you think if you had won that set the day may have turned around for you?
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: I don't know. Like I see Federer was also tired in the third set. Yeah, I would say I was also for me is pretty tough. You know, winning first set, physically we don't know. Like depends, how still to how play how he serve. But I saw, okay, if he make good serve, it's tough, you know, to break him. And my serve he was winning always, you know. I don't know.


Q. How frustrating was that third set when you had the break ahead all the way through the set and just couldn't hold on?
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: You know, like against Federer is tough to say, because this guy losing serve and then concentration to return and try to come back and winning match. And then he come back and already I think he just now winning, you know, serve back. And then I fighting from ‑‑ and then, you know, like for everything I most like winning from baseline. I have very good control from baseline. I play very well today, you know, like, say, play backhand. Because him always try to mix slice and topspin from backhand, and is pretty tough to get control. Moving him to the right and left, that's was I always need to play to the backhand and sometimes to hit to the forehand. But like my coach say I play well. May play better and better. That's was we'll see.


Q. Losing always hurts. Some people think he's the greatest of all time. Does it hurt less to lose to Federer than somebody else because you know he has this talent that is beyond almost anybody?
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: Yeah, against Federer to lose is ‑‑ I think just losing is ‑‑ doesn't matter against who you lose, just is disappointing. You know, like feeling I have chance, I play well, and you losing some points. Bad luck. You know, all the match you just concentration every point to winning. Sometimes you have bad luck. Mentally you can be crazy. Like in the second set, I losing like straight 6‑1. I be nervous. Just already start concentration in first set.


Q. What do you think of tomorrow's final?
NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: It's like Djokovic play very well from baseline and he beat him already in Montréal. But it's five set match. I don't know who be physically better, Djokovic or Federer. It's like because I saw Federer was really tired in the first set. If he play long rally and moving right‑left, it's for him also tough. That's was if Djokovic can physically very well, like Nadal, just hitting baseline long rally, can get chance, good chance, to beat him.
 

Aonex

Semi-Pro
Nikolay who? The difference between Serena and Davydenko is that no one knows who the heck Davydenko is so when he does make outrageous comments like this, no one (at least in the general public) is aware of it... although this has been covered in a thread here during the USO.
 

Alexandros

Professional
Ah I didn't catch that other thread. I know that the general public don't give a damn about Davydenko but I just wanted to be sure that the good haters on TW are being fair in their vitriol. :)
 

cghipp

Professional
I think something is lost in translation, so to speak. He says that Federer is lucky, but then he goes on to say that Federer makes great shots in these important moments. He refers to Federer's good play many times. In different cultures, the meaning of "lucky" can vary a bit; he may not mean exactly what we mean when we say "lucky." Or he may have been speaking with tongue in cheek; you can't tell from a transcript. Whatever the reason, I just don't get the feeling that he has the same lack of respect that I see in Serena's post-match interviews - and Serena is speaking in her native language. No mention of Federer's "little tactics" from Davydenko, at least.
 

cghipp

Professional
My favorite quote about luck, from Samuel Goldwyn: "The harder I work, the luckier I get." Thomas Jefferson said something similar, but it doesn't have the same ring to it.
 
I think that Davy meant that he thought that Fed was so lucky to get all that talent. That, or Davy's english is so bad that he confused lucky with some word or words like "too good"
 

krz

Professional
Davydenko bank of english words isn't exactly the largest. Look at the rest of the transcript hes obviously doesn't mean it in a disrespectful way.

Not to mention hes now 0-10 against Fed lol
 

saram

Legend
Davy's English sucks. I mean really sucks. If you didn't watch closely and translate his broken English after playing Young, Davy would have come across as saying Young was the best American player on tour. Through reading between the lines of horrible broken English, you could pick up the fact that he was saying Young had the best hands of any American on tour.
 

saram

Legend
its a shame no1 knows whos Davydenko ::(

I agree. I would almost assume he has broken Roger more in the last to semi's he played against him than anyone else. I think Davy averages about two breaks of serve per set against Roger and yet gets broken himself about three times per set. Usually, the critical break comes with his serve at 5-all. Sucks, because he has figured out how to break Roger continually--just can't hold serve to save his life nor the match at hand...
 

pound cat

G.O.A.T.
And he got lucky in the final, against a very nervous Djokovic who had just played him out of a title in Montreal. Federer's luck is going to run out soon. The aura is faaaaaading..........
 

Wuornos

Professional
Bizarre. From what I saw of the match Davydenko would do himself a favour by learning how to serve. At the moment he seems to think a serve is just about knocking a ball into play.

For me though Davydenko is probably the fifth best player in the world right now, and anyone who can achieve that without a serve is amazing in some respects.
 

caulcano

Hall of Fame
Davydenko bank of english words isn't exactly the largest. Look at the rest of the transcript hes obviously doesn't mean it in a disrespectful way.

Not to mention hes now 0-10 against Fed lol

Yeah Fed is lucky he's 10-0 against Davydenko and Davydenko is unlucky to be 0-10 against Federer- NOT.
 

BluBarry

Semi-Pro
Amazing but sometimes it sounds as if we forget what it's like to play this game. There many occasions of luck within a Tennis Match, like at Wimbledon when Nadal could have broken Fed and slipped on the grass just enough for the ball to get by him. Just think had he not slipped, maybe it would have been Rafa holding that Cup this year.

Luck is a part of the game and I know we to think because these are PROFESSIONALS we're yapping about, just think of the many shots these guys & gals miss that you feel you would not have.

All in all, Federer beats people but what about a Net Cord that falls on your opponents side, is that skill or luck ?
 

Alexandros

Professional
Amazing but sometimes it sounds as if we forget what it's like to play this game. There many occasions of luck within a Tennis Match, like at Wimbledon when Nadal could have broken Fed and slipped on the grass just enough for the ball to get by him. Just think had he not slipped, maybe it would have been Rafa holding that Cup this year.

Luck is a part of the game and I know we to think because these are PROFESSIONALS we're yapping about, just think of the many shots these guys & gals miss that you feel you would not have.

All in all, Federer beats people but what about a Net Cord that falls on your opponents side, is that skill or luck ?

When you have lost all ten of your matches against the undisputed world number one, potentially the greatest of all time and are coming from a straight sets loss, was that a result of skill or luck?
 

Pete.Sampras.

Semi-Pro
When you have lost all ten of your matches against the undisputed world number one, potentially the greatest of all time and are coming from a straight sets loss, was that a result of skill or luck?

You do know that Davydenko had good chances in his matches against Federer at the US Open as well as the French Open?! Federer is mentally so strong and that's what kept him alive and made him win though. But that "net cord"... if it dropped down on Fed's side Davydenko would have won the set most certainly and who knows what would have happened then...
If you talk about statistics, here's something interesting for you: The player who wins the first set wins most of the time... and Davydenko is not Isner or Lopez - he's better.
 

Alexandros

Professional
You do know that Davydenko had good chances in his matches against Federer at the US Open as well as the French Open?! Federer is mentally so strong and that's what kept him alive and made him win though. But that "net cord"... if it dropped down on Fed's side Davydenko would have won the set most certainly and who knows what would have happened then...
If you talk about statistics, here's something interesting for you: The player who wins the first set wins most of the time... and Davydenko is not Isner or Lopez - he's better.

Yes Davydenko has played Federer close before. But all those "chances" were not decided by luck, perhaps that particular set point in the US Open was but he has not lost 10 matches in a row because of luck.

Here's something even more interesting for you - Davydenko has won a grand total of THREE sets in the TWENTY FIVE he has contested with Federer. So I doubt winning the first set would have made any difference in the result of the match, but either way its a moot point - he'd need a hell of a lot more than one 'lucky' net cord to win.
 

Pete.Sampras.

Semi-Pro
Yes Davydenko has played Federer close before. But all those "chances" were not decided by luck, perhaps that particular set point in the US Open was but he has not lost 10 matches in a row because of luck.

Here's something even more interesting for you - Davydenko has won a grand total of THREE sets in the TWENTY FIVE he has contested with Federer. So I doubt winning the first set would have made any difference in the result of the match, but either way its a moot point - he'd need a hell of a lot more than one 'lucky' net cord to win.

Yes you're right when you say that all the victories are not just luck. But I do think that the first set would have made a difference. This is just an opinion of course and we will never know what would have happened ;)

I also think it's obvious that Davydenko didn't mean "lucky" in the way an american would mean it as some of the users pointed out before ;)
 

illkhiboy

Hall of Fame
I think something is lost in translation, so to speak. He says that Federer is lucky, but then he goes on to say that Federer makes great shots in these important moments. He refers to Federer's good play many times. In different cultures, the meaning of "lucky" can vary a bit; he may not mean exactly what we mean when we say "lucky." Or he may have been speaking with tongue in cheek; you can't tell from a transcript. Whatever the reason, I just don't get the feeling that he has the same lack of respect that I see in Serena's post-match interviews - and Serena is speaking in her native language. No mention of Federer's "little tactics" from Davydenko, at least.

I agree, I concurr
 
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