Debunking The Milk Myth: Why Milk Is Bad For You

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Did you know that in Medieval England parents would tie rabbits’ feet around their babies’ necks to ward off illness? Doctors would also spit on wounds because saliva was believed to have healing properties.

Indeed, history is replete with unfounded health beliefs, and to everyone’s detriment, the milk myth is among the most tenacious.

Milk is much more than just a drink; it’s a cultural phenomenon that can be traced back thousands of years. And still today, the milk myth resonates loud and clear: in 2001, the average American child consumed 104 quarts of cow’s milk.

Milk depletes the calcium from your bones
The milk myth has spread around the world based on the flawed belief that this protein and calcium-rich drink is essential to support good overall health and bone health in particular at any age. It is easy to understand that the confusion about milk’s imaginary benefits stems from the fact that it contains calcium – around 300 mg per cup.

But many scientific studies have shown an assortment of detrimental health effects directly linked to milk consumption. And the most surprising link is that not only do we barely absorb the calcium in cow’s milk (especially if pasteurized), but to make matters worse, it actually increases calcium loss from the bones. What an irony this is!

Here’s how it happens. Like all animal protein, milk acidifies the body pH which in turn triggers a biological correction. You see, calcium is an excellent acid neutralizer and the biggest storage of calcium in the body is – you guessed it… in the bones. So the very same calcium that our bones need to stay strong is utilized to neutralize the acidifying effect of milk. Once calcium is pulled out of the bones, it leaves the body via the urine, so that the surprising net result after this is an actual calcium deficit.

Knowing this, you’ll understand why statistics show that countries with the lowest consumption of dairy products also have the lowest fracture incidence in their population (there’s more on this later).

But the sad truth is that most mainstream health practitioners ignore these proven facts. I know it firsthand because when I was diagnosed with osteoporosis, my doctor recommended that I drink lots of milk in addition to taking Fosamax.

Fortunately, I did neither, because I knew that…

Cow’s milk is custom-designed for calves
Thanks to our creative ingenuity and perhaps related to our ancient survival needs, we adopted the dubious habit of drinking another species’ milk. Nobody can dispute that cow’s milk is an excellent food source for calves. Weighing around 100 pounds at birth, a calf typically gains approximately eight times its weight by the time it is weaned. But unlike humans, once calves are weaned, they never drink milk again. And the same applies to every mammalian species on this planet.

Also, each mammalian species has its own “designer” milk, and cow’s milk is no exception. For example, cow’s milk contains on average three times the amount of protein than human milk which creates metabolic disturbances in humans that have detrimental bone health consequences.

It’s important to bear in mind that mother’s milk is excellent nourishment for human babies, but its composition is very different from cow’s milk.

Scientific studies show that milk increases fracture risk
Many scientific studies contradict the conventional wisdom that milk and dairy consumption help reduce osteoporotic fractures. Surprisingly, studies demonstrating that milk and dairy products actually fail to protect bones from fractures outnumber studies that prove otherwise. Even drinking milk from a young age does not protect against future fracture risk but actually increases it. Shattering the “savings account” calcium theory, Cumming and Klineberg report their study findings as follows:

“Consumption of dairy products, particularly at age 20 years, was associated with an increased risk of hip fracture in old age. (“Case-Control Study of Risk Factors for Hip Fractures in the Elderly”. American Journal of Epidemiology. Vol. 139, No. 5, 1994).

And the 12 year long Harvard Nurses’ Health Study found that those who consumed the most calcium from dairy foods broke more bones than those who rarely drank milk. This is a broad study based on 77,761 women aged 34 through 59 years of age.

In the authors’ own words:

“These data do not support the hypothesis that higher consumption of milk or other food sources of calcium by adult women protects against hip or forearm fractures.” (Source: Feskanich D, Willett WC, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA. Milk, dietary calcium, and bone fractures in women: a 12-year prospective study. American Journal of Public Health. 1997).

Shocking statistics ignored by mainstream medicine
In the Save Our Bones Program one of the topics I discuss is the complete disregard of scientific evidence that discredits milk and dairy products as the best source of calcium.

One exception is Amy Lanou Ph.D., nutrition director for the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine in Washington, D.C., who states that:

“The countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis are the ones where people drink the most milk and have the most calcium in their diets. The connection between calcium consumption and bone health is actually very weak, and the connection between dairy consumption and bone health is almost nonexistent.”

Surprised? You shouldn’t be, because as I mentioned earlier in this article…

Milk is an acidifying animal protein
Like any other animal derived protein-rich food, milk has a positive potential renal acid load (PRAL) which triggers a protective biological reaction to neutralize all the damaging acidic protein before it reaches the kidneys.

The body is designed for survival, so it sacrifices bone density to protect the kidneys and urinary tract because the latter are essential to survival. And the most readily available source of acid neutralizer is in the bones. So even though milk contains calcium, it ends up sapping your bones of that crucial mineral. But that’s not all because…

Today’s milk is a processed food
Until the end of the 19th century in Europe and the beginning of the 20th century in the US, milk was consumed unpasteurized or raw. Later on, homogenization became the industry’s standard. These processes further alter milk’s chemistry and actually increase its detrimental acidifying effects.

Raw milk advocates claim that if cow’s milk is left “as is” it is a healthy and wholesome drink. It is true that raw milk is less acidifying than processed milk and that pasteurization and homogenization may cause a long list of digestive and other health problems, but I still don’t recommend drinking any kind of cow’s milk.

Nowadays, milking cows are given antibiotics and most are also injected with a genetically engineered form of bovine growth hormone (rBGH). A man-made or synthetic hormone used to artificially increase milk production, rBGH also increases blood levels of the insulin-growth factor 1 (IGF-1) in those who drink it. And higher levels of IGF-1 are linked to several cancers.

This should not be ignored, especially in view of recent information by Samuel Epstein, MD, Professor of Environmental Medicine at the University of Illinois School of Public Health, and Chairman of the Cancer Prevention Coalition. In an article titled “Monsanto’s Hormonal Milk Poses Serious Risks of Breast Cancer, Besides Other Cancers” (http://www.preventcancer.com/press/releases/july8_98.htm, June 21, 1998) Dr. Epstein concludes that:

“Drinking rBGH milk would thus be expected to significantly increase IGF-1 blood levels and consequently to increase risks of developing breast cancer and promoting its invasiveness.”

Even though organic milk is from cows that are not given antibiotics or rBHG, if you truly care about your bone health and your overall health, you should…

http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/
 
Have you been checked for intestinal parasites and helicobacter pylori in your stomach? Many people with IBS have it because of those reasons.

Nope, I was told I had IBS & that was it. No advice or further tests, other than carry on with your exclusion diet-only found out about FODMAPS a couple of years later. NHS is basically zero help unless you have a limb hanging off, cancer etc. It has been a long road-nearly 40 & had this all my life. Have got it down to where I basically have little or any problems but the only problem is I ended up weighing 10 stone 5 or 6, so have been trying to add things in from very limited options. Added Coca Powder drink in rather than decaf tea & have been scoffing chocolate with various results. Will likely stick to Bourneville Dark & hopefully if Lactofree full fat works I will have some more weight added from that. Already put about 5-6 pounds on in a bit over a week.
 
Nope, I was told I had IBS & that was it. No advice or further tests, other than carry on with your exclusion diet-only found out about FODMAPS a couple of years later. NHS is basically zero help unless you have a limb hanging off, cancer etc. It has been a long road-nearly 40 & had this all my life. Have got it down to where I basically have little or any problems but the only problem is I ended up weighing 10 stone 5 or 6, so have been trying to add things in from very limited options. Added Coca Powder drink in rather than decaf tea & have been scoffing chocolate with various results. Will likely stick to Bourneville Dark & hopefully if Lactofree full fat works I will have some more weight added from that. Already put about 5-6 pounds on in a bit over a week.
You should get tested. An incredible amount of people in the US have parasites like whipworm, that cause all sorts of problems.
 
You should get tested. An incredible amount of people in the US have parasites like whipworm, that cause all sorts of problems.

If I had them wouldn't it be constant pain? If I consume the 'right' stuff in the right amounts I don't get the issues, as soon as I have something 'wrong' I do. I just seem to have a very severe form of IBS. I get on great with Soya for instance, but as soon as I have Rice/Maize/Barley I get bloating, cramps etc. From what I can gather my mum's mum had IBS-although back then they wouldn't have known what it was & my mum herself has issues with certain things-albeit on a far less scale. Just seems I probably got the second or third generation worse symptoms my mum has avoided.
 
If I had them wouldn't it be constant pain? If I consume the 'right' stuff in the right amounts I don't get the issues, as soon as I have something 'wrong' I do. I just seem to have a very severe form of IBS. I get on great with Soya for instance, but as soon as I have Rice/Maize/Barley I get bloating, cramps etc. From what I can gather my mum's mum had IBS-although back then they wouldn't have known what it was & my mum herself has issues with certain things-albeit on a far less scale. Just seems I probably got the second or third generation worse symptoms my mum has avoided.
Most people with parasites don't even know it, so pain is not necessary. They can cause bloating and cramps sometimes though, and a mucous-like discharge. Basically imagine animals living inside you that eat your food and crap inside you, irritating your bowel and causing gas and all sorts of mischief with toxins and stuff.
 
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Did you know that in Medieval England parents would tie rabbits’ feet around their babies’ necks to ward off illness? Doctors would also spit on wounds because saliva was believed to have healing properties.

Indeed, history is replete with unfounded health beliefs, and to everyone’s detriment, the milk myth is among the most tenacious.

Milk is much more than just a drink; it’s a cultural phenomenon that can be traced back thousands of years. And still today, the milk myth resonates loud and clear: in 2001, the average American child consumed 104 quarts of cow’s milk.

Milk depletes the calcium from your bones
The milk myth has spread around the world based on the flawed belief that this protein and calcium-rich drink is essential to support good overall health and bone health in particular at any age. It is easy to understand that the confusion about milk’s imaginary benefits stems from the fact that it contains calcium – around 300 mg per cup.

But many scientific studies have shown an assortment of detrimental health effects directly linked to milk consumption. And the most surprising link is that not only do we barely absorb the calcium in cow’s milk (especially if pasteurized), but to make matters worse, it actually increases calcium loss from the bones. What an irony this is!

Here’s how it happens. Like all animal protein, milk acidifies the body pH which in turn triggers a biological correction. You see, calcium is an excellent acid neutralizer and the biggest storage of calcium in the body is – you guessed it… in the bones. So the very same calcium that our bones need to stay strong is utilized to neutralize the acidifying effect of milk. Once calcium is pulled out of the bones, it leaves the body via the urine, so that the surprising net result after this is an actual calcium deficit.

Knowing this, you’ll understand why statistics show that countries with the lowest consumption of dairy products also have the lowest fracture incidence in their population (there’s more on this later).

But the sad truth is that most mainstream health practitioners ignore these proven facts. I know it firsthand because when I was diagnosed with osteoporosis, my doctor recommended that I drink lots of milk in addition to taking Fosamax.

Fortunately, I did neither, because I knew that…

Cow’s milk is custom-designed for calves
Thanks to our creative ingenuity and perhaps related to our ancient survival needs, we adopted the dubious habit of drinking another species’ milk. Nobody can dispute that cow’s milk is an excellent food source for calves. Weighing around 100 pounds at birth, a calf typically gains approximately eight times its weight by the time it is weaned. But unlike humans, once calves are weaned, they never drink milk again. And the same applies to every mammalian species on this planet.

Also, each mammalian species has its own “designer” milk, and cow’s milk is no exception. For example, cow’s milk contains on average three times the amount of protein than human milk which creates metabolic disturbances in humans that have detrimental bone health consequences.

It’s important to bear in mind that mother’s milk is excellent nourishment for human babies, but its composition is very different from cow’s milk.

Scientific studies show that milk increases fracture risk
Many scientific studies contradict the conventional wisdom that milk and dairy consumption help reduce osteoporotic fractures. Surprisingly, studies demonstrating that milk and dairy products actually fail to protect bones from fractures outnumber studies that prove otherwise. Even drinking milk from a young age does not protect against future fracture risk but actually increases it. Shattering the “savings account” calcium theory, Cumming and Klineberg report their study findings as follows:

“Consumption of dairy products, particularly at age 20 years, was associated with an increased risk of hip fracture in old age. (“Case-Control Study of Risk Factors for Hip Fractures in the Elderly”. American Journal of Epidemiology. Vol. 139, No. 5, 1994).

And the 12 year long Harvard Nurses’ Health Study found that those who consumed the most calcium from dairy foods broke more bones than those who rarely drank milk. This is a broad study based on 77,761 women aged 34 through 59 years of age.

In the authors’ own words:

“These data do not support the hypothesis that higher consumption of milk or other food sources of calcium by adult women protects against hip or forearm fractures.” (Source: Feskanich D, Willett WC, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA. Milk, dietary calcium, and bone fractures in women: a 12-year prospective study. American Journal of Public Health. 1997).

Shocking statistics ignored by mainstream medicine
In the Save Our Bones Program one of the topics I discuss is the complete disregard of scientific evidence that discredits milk and dairy products as the best source of calcium.

One exception is Amy Lanou Ph.D., nutrition director for the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine in Washington, D.C., who states that:

“The countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis are the ones where people drink the most milk and have the most calcium in their diets. The connection between calcium consumption and bone health is actually very weak, and the connection between dairy consumption and bone health is almost nonexistent.”

Surprised? You shouldn’t be, because as I mentioned earlier in this article…

Milk is an acidifying animal protein
Like any other animal derived protein-rich food, milk has a positive potential renal acid load (PRAL) which triggers a protective biological reaction to neutralize all the damaging acidic protein before it reaches the kidneys.

The body is designed for survival, so it sacrifices bone density to protect the kidneys and urinary tract because the latter are essential to survival. And the most readily available source of acid neutralizer is in the bones. So even though milk contains calcium, it ends up sapping your bones of that crucial mineral. But that’s not all because…

Today’s milk is a processed food
Until the end of the 19th century in Europe and the beginning of the 20th century in the US, milk was consumed unpasteurized or raw. Later on, homogenization became the industry’s standard. These processes further alter milk’s chemistry and actually increase its detrimental acidifying effects.

Raw milk advocates claim that if cow’s milk is left “as is” it is a healthy and wholesome drink. It is true that raw milk is less acidifying than processed milk and that pasteurization and homogenization may cause a long list of digestive and other health problems, but I still don’t recommend drinking any kind of cow’s milk.

Nowadays, milking cows are given antibiotics and most are also injected with a genetically engineered form of bovine growth hormone (rBGH). A man-made or synthetic hormone used to artificially increase milk production, rBGH also increases blood levels of the insulin-growth factor 1 (IGF-1) in those who drink it. And higher levels of IGF-1 are linked to several cancers.

This should not be ignored, especially in view of recent information by Samuel Epstein, MD, Professor of Environmental Medicine at the University of Illinois School of Public Health, and Chairman of the Cancer Prevention Coalition. In an article titled “Monsanto’s Hormonal Milk Poses Serious Risks of Breast Cancer, Besides Other Cancers” (http://www.preventcancer.com/press/releases/july8_98.htm, June 21, 1998) Dr. Epstein concludes that:

“Drinking rBGH milk would thus be expected to significantly increase IGF-1 blood levels and consequently to increase risks of developing breast cancer and promoting its invasiveness.”

Even though organic milk is from cows that are not given antibiotics or rBHG, if you truly care about your bone health and your overall health, you should…

http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/
OP - this is organic, sugar free, single origin bullsh*t.
Sorry to tell you that, mate.

I've always consumed a ton of milk since I was a young child (I like the taste), and the result has been that I have well above average bone density and have literally never broken or fractured anything.
I also take vitamin D to help absorb the calcium (this is important), and I feel amazing.
Quit scare-mongering, or enabling BS-spinsters like "Vivian Goldschmidt, MA" from that silly website you've liked to.

It should also be noted that she offers no hard evidence (just her opinion and some numbers she's throwing around with no source), and also that "MA" is not a medical degree.
She was hoping you wouldn't notice that.

Also her site has a "shop" section, and some of the stuff is trademarked.
Massive red flag mate - she's essentially just hocking some snake oil and trying to take you - the ever-honest 5555 - along for the ride.
Don't fall for it.
 
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If I had them wouldn't it be constant pain? If I consume the 'right' stuff in the right amounts I don't get the issues, as soon as I have something 'wrong' I do. I just seem to have a very severe form of IBS. I get on great with Soya for instance, but as soon as I have Rice/Maize/Barley I get bloating, cramps etc. From what I can gather my mum's mum had IBS-although back then they wouldn't have known what it was & my mum herself has issues with certain things-albeit on a far less scale. Just seems I probably got the second or third generation worse symptoms my mum has avoided.
Gut bacteria get passed on too through birth.
I'd get tested if I were you.

Not saying that's definitely the problem (it's probably unlikely actually), but it can't hurt to find out, can it?
 
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This is from "Vivian" 's website:

So first, I began thinking about what I DON’T want in a osteoporosis treatment.
  • I don’t want to take prescription drugs because of the known (and even worse, unknown) side effects.
  • I don’t want to have to do time consuming exercises.
  • I don’t want to take costly osteoporosis pills and still fracture a bone.
  • I don’t want to live with pain.
  • I don’t want to follow an impossible osteoporosis diet.
  • I don’t want to lose height and bone density.
  • I don’t want to have to buy expensive osteoporosis equipment.
  • I don’t want to lose my independence and mobility.
  • I don’t want to live with fear and anxiety because of osteoporosis
Then, I began thinking about what I DO want in an osteoporosis treatment.
  • I want an all natural osteoporosis treatment that works.
  • I want to reverse osteoporosis without taking any drugs.
  • I want to find out the real truth about osteoporosis.
  • I want to increase my bone density scores naturally.
  • I want to reverse bone loss with no negative side effects.
  • I want to live a worry-free, long and happy life.
  • I want to get to the bottom of WHY I was diagnosed with osteoporosis. Why were my bones getting weaker?
  • I want a proven Osteoporosis remedy that’s based on reliable scientific research.

What we have here, children, is a shining example of "if it seems too good to be true, it probably is".
 
I don't care what doctors say.

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stringertom

Bionic Poster
Most people with parasites don't even know it, so pain is not necessary. They can cause bloating and cramps sometimes though, and a mucous-like discharge. Basically imagine animals living inside you that eat your food and crap inside you, irritating your bowel and causing gas and all sorts of mischief with toxins and stuff.
Imagine little baby sureshs and hundreds just like him living inside your belly and all the gas they would cause you to emit. The EPA would track you down and put you on a Love Canal type of quarantine!:eek:
 
Most people with parasites don't even know it, so pain is not necessary. They can cause bloating and cramps sometimes though, and a mucous-like discharge. Basically imagine animals living inside you that eat your food and crap inside you, irritating your bowel and causing gas and all sorts of mischief with toxins and stuff.

Only things that have ever really given me gas were apples. Worst thing for me is green beans-they are the only thing I have ever encountered that caused left side pain within 30 minutes or so of eating them, like somebody was kicking me. Legumes are overall the worst things. Get on fine with Soya Beans though.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
@5555, are you channeling Gut4Tennis on this? If so, you forgot to mention pus. Some very good points here, possibly, but wondering if this is a balanced presentation.

My IBS means I cannot handle it-either A1 or A2. Going to give Lactofree a go. If that doesn't work I will just stick to the Soya one.

Have you looked into kefir? Kefir is relatively lactose-free. Not certain about the casein content in kefir (or if it will bother you or not). However, the protein in kefir has been partially "digested" by the fermentation process. The high levels of probiotics may help with casein. Is it the lactose sugar or the casein protein that is the issue?

How about kefir with whey protein added? 2nd link below tells you how to make your own kefir. 3rd link talks about making kefir with coconut water rather than milk.

https://authoritynutrition.com/9-health-benefits-of-kefir/
https://chriskresser.com/kefir-the-not-quite-paleo-superfood/
http://bodyecology.com/articles/sensitive_to_casein_in_dairy.php
 
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No thanks-the side effects don't look too good & I haven't had good results with good bacteria probiotics before-I had to give up Symprove as I could barely leave the house for watery horrible poops every half hour or so after taking it. Getting a Lactofree tomorrow & if that doesn't work then it will be Soya which I have been drinking for a long time now with no issues.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
No thanks-the side effects don't look too good & I haven't had good results with good bacteria probiotics before-I had to give up Symprove as I could barely leave the house for watery horrible poops every half hour or so after taking it. Getting a Lactofree tomorrow & if that doesn't work then it will be Soya which I have been drinking for a long time now with no issues.

What side effects are you referring to? Some probiotic sources could very well be better that what you've tried previously. Prebiotics may or may not help as well. WebMD discusses both of these for IBS:

http://www.webmd.com/ibs/features/supplements-for-ibs-what-works
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
What made that milk so undigestible?
I've been meaning to ask you, who is that in your avatar? :)

I wondered also. Could be the lactose (milk sugar) or the casein (primary milk protein). Avatar might be Shannon Elizabeth or possibly Kathryn Webb, who played for Cal Poly (SLO).

Edit: The image link for Kathryn Webb might actually be a former HS teammate of hers, Alex Scotten, who played for the UC Santa Cruz Slugs.

http://dailybreeze.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=25571980&event=836694&CategoryID=32338

Kefir can cause intestinal cramping and constipation.

You might try the coconut water kefir instead of a whole milk kefir. (See 3rd link in post #26).
 
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I wondered also. Could be the lactose (milk sugar) or the casein (primary milk protein). Avatar might be Shannon Elizabeth or possibly Kathryn Webb, who played for Cal Poly (SLO).

Edit: The image link for Kathryn Webb might actually be a former HS teammate of hers, Alex Scotten, who played for the UC Santa Cruz Slugs.

http://dailybreeze.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=25571980&event=836694&CategoryID=32338



You might try the coconut water kefir instead of a whole milk kefir. (See 3rd link in post #26).
Thank you sir!

BTW, the "What made that milk so undigestible?" comment was a little joke about an old thread somebody bumped about Led Zeppelin.

Since we are on the subject of milk and related anatomy...


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SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
Thank you sir!

BTW, the "What made that milk so undigestible?" comment was a little joke about an old thread somebody bumped about Led Zeppelin.

Since we are on the subject of milk and related anatomy...

Missed the Zep thread bump. I was also thinking that the avatar might be JLH in her younger (trimmer) years. Don't see any tennis pics of that but this one ain't too bad.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a4/3d/3b/a43d3b607603ea9ecba4bb50ece8de1c.jpg
 
I wondered also. Could be the lactose (milk sugar) or the casein (primary milk protein). Avatar might be Shannon Elizabeth or possibly Kathryn Webb, who played for Cal Poly (SLO).

Edit: The image link for Kathryn Webb might actually be a former HS teammate of hers, Alex Scotten, who played for the UC Santa Cruz Slugs.

http://dailybreeze.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=25571980&event=836694&CategoryID=32338



You might try the coconut water kefir instead of a whole milk kefir. (See 3rd link in post #26).

Sadly I am intolerant to Coconut.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
Sadly I am intolerant to Coconut.

Gawd you're a mess, aren't you? JK.

I can see that, if you can't tolerate coconut, you might not be able to handle coconut oil, coconut milk or coconut cream. But coconut water! Really? If so, other possibilities exist. Kefir can be made with plain water, juice, water spiked with juice, other flavored waters, almond milk, cashew milk, etc.

http://www.culturesforhealth.com/dairy-free-kefir-options
http://www.culturedfoodlife.com/category/recipes/kefir/dairy-free-kefir-options/
http://blog.probacto.com/exploring-kefir-vegan-alternatives-to-fermented-dairy/
 

Kalin

Legend
Shouldn't this thread be locked? Promoting dubious (at best) theories plus linking to a commercial website. No offense to the OP but these boards have enough bad tennis advice already; last we need is bad nutrition advice on top of that disguised as serious science.
 
Gawd you're a mess, aren't you? JK.

I can see that, if you can't tolerate coconut, you might not be able to handle coconut oil, coconut milk or coconut cream. But coconut water! Really? If so, other possibilities exist. Kefir can be made with plain water, juice, water spiked with juice, other flavored waters, almond milk, cashew milk, etc.

http://www.culturesforhealth.com/dairy-free-kefir-options
http://www.culturedfoodlife.com/category/recipes/kefir/dairy-free-kefir-options/
http://blog.probacto.com/exploring-kefir-vegan-alternatives-to-fermented-dairy/

Yeah I tried Coconut water last year-think it was Vita brand & it wasn't pretty. Juice is out as I cannot have fruit or any concentrate, cannot have nuts or seeds either. So my only option would be still water. Yeah I am a mess sadly-just takes a small amount of the wrong thing which in my case is probably 95% of food & drink out there & it is discomfort/pain.
 
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