Monsanto and Milk

chess9

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I drink a lot of milk and have been drinking it for 66 years, nothwithstanding all my bodybuilder buddies who have told me that cow's milk is the work of the devil, or some such. :)

But, now, one of them just sent me this piece about Monsanto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axU9ngbTxKw&feature=related

Does anyone know whether the risks of Bovine Growth Hormone are being oversold by this piece and others like it? I have no doubt many dairy farmers here in Florida are using it.

What's the science like? What steps should milk drinkers take?

Does anyone have any INFORMED VIEWS on this topic? :)

Here's Dr. Cohen on milk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYpafipJyDE&feature=related

Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_Growth_Hormone

One of the interesting side nuggets to come out of all of this is the appeals court ruling that the FCC rules do not require that a news story be true. :)
-Robert
 
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Growth hormone is a polypeptide, i.e. protein. When you consume it, it is digested, i.e. broken down into amino acids, like any other protein. This is why growth hormone supplementation is done by injection rather than orally. What's your concern?
 

chess9

Hall of Fame
Growth hormone is a polypeptide, i.e. protein. When you consume it, it is digested, i.e. broken down into amino acids, like any other protein. This is why growth hormone supplementation is done by injection rather than orally. What's your concern?

The concern seems to be that ingestion of growth hormone will trigger some of the many cancer cells constantly produced by our bodies. So, I'd be worried about cancer, IF the levels of rBGH are high enough to cause cancer long term. Apparently, the only study is a 90 day study on rats funded by Monsanto. :( Now, I'd be willing to eat a laboratory rat a day if it would keep me healthy, but should I eat one that's been feed rBGH? :)

Honestly, I would prefer to keep drinking milk, but Japan, Australia, Canada, and the EU have all now banned rBGH. Anecdotally, my brother says the milk in Colombia (he has a Colombian wife so he goes all the time) is much tastier than here and they don't use rBGH.

Oh, and the liver pass is not complete, by the way. You are probably 99% correct on that issue, however. ;)

-Robert
 
I've just finished drinking a glass of milk while I've spent two hours researching this topic. I'm going to continue to drink milk. I want my two daughters to continue drinking milk.
Bovine somatostatin is not used in Europe because of fears about human health. It is not used because this agent can increase the incidence of inflammation in the mammary glands of cows. European Council Decision of December 17, 1999
The Candian review found no human health risks, but held up approval of bST
because of a potential hypersensitivty reponse in one rat. http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/vet/issues-enjeux/rbst-stbr/rep_rcpsc-rap_crmcc-eng.php
 
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chess9

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I've just finished drinking a glass of milk while I've spent two hours researching this topic. I'm going to continue to drink milk. I want my two daughters to continue drinking milk.
Bovine somatostatin is not used in Europe because of fears about human health. It is not used because this agent can increase the incidence in the mammary glands of cows. European Council Decision of December 17, 1999
The Candian review found no human health risks, but held up approval of bST
because of a potential hypersensitivty reponse in one rat. http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/vet/issues-enjeux/rbst-stbr/rep_rcpsc-rap_crmcc-eng.php

You da' bomb, Charlie! Very good find, and interesting to boot.

This quote seems relatively calming, though it raises another question:
"5.Biological study of IGF-1 will remain of exceptional interest; however, there is no evidence to suggest that oral intake of IGF-1 is carcinogenic. As an endogenous substance, IGF-1 may play a role in the pathophysiology of neoplasia; however, Health Canada would not be justified in requiring further studies of IGF-1 to be conducted by the manufacturer of Nutrilac with respect to the pathogenesis of human malignancy."

That was a 1999 finding, but in 2000 the Canadians banned rBGH. ???

What concerns me most is this sort of conclusion is drawn based on one study by the manufacturer done on RATS. Plus, it's possible that we haven't been drinking rBGH milk long enough to produce any epidemiological evidence. The question it raises is why Health Canada 'would not be justified in requiring further studies of IGF-1 (or rBGH) to be conducted by the manufacturer...."?:confused:

-Robert
 
Stay away from the kind of milk that isnt ecological. Do yourself that favor and you should be free of Monsantos ideas and any potential harm due to fiddling with nature.
 
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Slicendicer

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I haven't drank milk in years. If I craved cookies and milk, I would drink Rice Dream or an Almond milk substitute. The plain is something to get used to, but the vanilla is very good.
 

chess9

Hall of Fame
Stay away from the kind of milk that isnt ecological. Do yourself that favor and you should be free of Monsantos ideas and any potential harm due to fiddling with nature.

It's unfortunate that we can't fully trust our food supply. You'd think milk of all things would be undeniably pure and unadulterated. It's a brave new world.....

-Robert
 

chess9

Hall of Fame
I haven't drank milk in years. If I craved cookies and milk, I would drink Rice Dream or an Almond milk substitute. The plain is something to get used to, but the vanilla is very good.

I like both of those, but they are expensive here. I drink three gallons of milk a week.

-Robert
 
It's unfortunate that we can't fully trust our food supply. You'd think milk of all things would be undeniably pure and unadulterated. It's a brave new world.....

-Robert

It's unfortunate that we can't live without fear mongers trying to point out that there is danger in everything we eat and touch and breathe.
Did you know that the tennis ball manufacturing process involves multiple poisons, including known carcinogens?

"2. A tennis ball according to claim 1, wherein the rubber contains a urea/formaldehyde polycondensation product as the finely powdered aminoplast resin.

3. A tennis ball according to claim 2, wherein the rubber contains a urea/formaldehyde polycondensation product which consists of approximately spherical primary particles with an average diameter of < 1000 A, preferably of about 500 A, and wherein said urea/formaldehyde polycondensation product is present in the rubber partly in the form of agglomerates of the primary particles with average agglomerate particles sizes of up to 15 μm.

4. A tennis ball according to claim 3, wherein the average sizes of the agglomerate particles are up to 11 μm.

5. A tennis ball according to claim 1, wherein the rubber contains a melamine/formaldehyde polycondensation product as the finely powdered aminoplast resin.

6. A tennis ball according to claim 1, wherein the rubber contains a mixture of a urea/formaldehyde and a melamine/formaldehyde polycondensation product as the finely powdered aminoplast resin.

7. A tennis ball according to claim 1, wherein the rubber contains as the aminoplast resin a urea/formaldehyde condensation polymer which is modified by sulpho groups.

8. A tennis ball according to claim 7, wherein the urea/formaldehyde condensation polymer which is modified by sulpho groups contains napthalenesulphonic acid radicals, is highly disperse, consists of compact, spherical, agglomerated primary particles with a diameter smaller than 1 μm and has a specific surface area of 5 to 100 m2 /g, preferably 60 to 70 m2 /g.

9. A tennis ball according to claim 1, wherein the rubber contains an aminoplast resin with a specific surface area of 25 to 120 m2 /g, preferably of 30 to 120 m2 /g."

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4022469.html
 

jrod

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It's unfortunate that we can't fully trust our food supply. You'd think milk of all things would be undeniably pure and unadulterated. It's a brave new world.....

-Robert

Robert - If you want to read an excellent book on our food supply, check out the Omnivore's Delimma by Michael Pollan. An excellent read, very illuminating and educational.

http://www.michaelpollan.com/omnivore.php

The work does not really address the growth hormone issue. I'd be interested in hearing Pollan's views on this.
 
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Much brain death here. Let me repeat: growth hormone is a protein and as such is digested when consumed orally, thus rendered not only harmless but nutritious. Somatostatin is also a peptide and digested when consumed orally. If growth hormone makes cows produce more milk, that's a GOOD thing since there are plenty of people in the world who need food and don't have a lot of money. The pseudo-ecological view arguing against ways to produce more food is selfish, makes no sense here and promotes more hunger in the world.
 

Topaz

Legend
It's unfortunate that we can't fully trust our food supply. You'd think milk of all things would be undeniably pure and unadulterated. It's a brave new world.....

-Robert

It's unfortunate that we can't live without fear mongers trying to point out that there is danger in everything we eat and touch and breathe.
Did you know that the tennis ball manufacturing process involves multiple poisons, including known carcinogens?

But, but...I don't eat tennis balls!!! ;)

This issue, IMO, isn't just black and white; with black being 'everything is contaminated' and white being 'that's just fear mongering'.

There are very real concerns over our food supply. You need to look no further than the recent peanut recall.

My recommended reading for this? Food Politics and Skinny B*tch
 
Monsanto is an evil entity. Check out these links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axU9ngbTxKw

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6262083407501596844&ei=U83WSa6iD4OMqwKIoaT9Cw&q=monsanto

Monsanto is the main backer of a bill, H.R. 875, that will destroy the organic farm industry. Meaning, we will all have to eat GM foods for the rest of our lives. Aren't they great? :twisted:

Enormous power concentration.. leads to vulnerabilty for those not in it.
They are a quite creepy lot .
The record isnt a pretty one and they arent satified until they control all agriculture.
Round up ready anyone?
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
People get really paranoid about things like genetically engineered or irradiated food. Most of us eat irradiated food all the time -- from the microwave.
 
People get really paranoid about things like genetically engineered or irradiated food. Most of us eat irradiated food all the time -- from the microwave.

Brilliant. I don't eat ever eat from the microwave. And since when is caring about the quality of your food being paranoid? You're talking about the foods with which your replicate your DNA, i.e. you are what you eat. The question is: why are you so passive about corporations tampering with nature?
 
Lots of people have a huge fascination for anything artifical or fake. .In fact as a nation ,we are quite preoccupied by it.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
Not passive at all -- why would you make such a baseless assumption? I don't eat nitrate or nitrite additives, for example, don't eat hydrogenated oils for the most part, don't eat quite a number of things. Typically, you extrapolate wildly from what was said. My point was about genetic engineering of food and irradiation. I understand the biology and physics of the issues and don't see any threat from irradiation, for example. If you find evidence tha microwaving food is dangerous, please let us know.
 
Baseless? Extrapolating wildly? Give me a break.

You claim it's paranoia to be concerned about genetically engineered food. I claim that you're passive about this issue. What part of this is so hard to understand? If you think it's paranoid to be concerned about such foods, then you obviously aren't that concerned about it yourself, i.e. you're passive about it.

And what the hell does this have to do with the microwave? I don't recall anyone mentioning it at all until you did, at random. There is plenty of information out there regarding the dangers of microwaves. If you don't buy it, fine. I couldn't care less.
 
The fact is that rates of various illnesses such as cancer , astma and others are on the increase and it is likely due to pollutions of different sorts and directions that combine to cause them.

What we eat like additives , colorings,and various fake foods like for example sugar substitutes like aspartame ( a Monsanto product and big seller) and similar products who dont break down in our digestion .

They live and live and dont go away. . because they dont belong here in the first place. Simple as that.

In the end they finish in the ocean. Noone can know what that will bring except that it is a risk that should be avoided or at the very least strongly contained.

If one has a problem understanding this try to check this piece out..:

www.ted.org/index.php/talks/capt_charles_moore_on_the_seas_of_plastic.html


We need to wake up from our dreamy illusions of the idea that nature is vast and endless in its capacities. .
 
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ollinger

G.O.A.T.
swede
uh......NO. As detailed in another thread recently with CDC and NCI data, cancer rates for the most part are not on the rise and may even have declined in the second half of the 1990s. The fallacy arises when cancer rates are not AGE ADJUSTED, because more people are living longer than a few decades ago. (Interesting how people seem to be living longer despite these proclamations that deadly illnesses are increasing). When statistical correction is made by age group, we find that cancer rates by and large haven't increased, but it only seems that way because most cancers are more common in the extreme elderly, and the extreme elderly are the fastest growing segment of the population.

storm
you keep deriding my passivity over and over, which suggests you have no actual EVIDENCE that things like genetic engineering of food sources actually do harm. Run your mouth (fingers?) when you actually have something to say (write?).
 
storm
you keep deriding my passivity over and over, which suggests you have no actual EVIDENCE that things like genetic engineering of food sources actually do harm. Run your mouth (fingers?) when you actually have something to say (write?).

My god you are a drama queen, not to mention evasive and dishonest. And speaking of typing something without any meaning.

I never derided anything. Passivity is neither implicitly good nor bad. I simply said you were passive on a particular subject. You called people who are concerned about genetically modified food "paranoid". If you believe simple concerns about food to be paranoid then you are indeed passive, and if you refute this claim then go ahead and make your case. Maybe you should back up your claim about paranoia while you're at it.

P.S.: "Over and over"? You seem to have a knack for hyperbole.
 
Are you sure about the case of cancer here.. ? If so send me in what publication and when this was claimed that cancer worldwide is declining when including the age factor that you bring up.
Thank you.

Having said that , i dont think you would disagree on the impacts of artifical substances on the wellbeing of life on this planet. Or do you?
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
Lots of publications. I made it as clear as I could for you by referring you to the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) and NCI (National Cancer Institutes) websites, so feel free to examine the data there. Lots of my medical colleagues/friends are oncologists so I also discuss this with them, as they read the literature comprehensively. Cancer rates for the most part are simply not changing significantly when adjusted for age.

Do I assume that any particular substance has a deleterious effect on the planet and its inhabitants? No. I think these things need to be demonstated before we assume they are true.
 

Topaz

Legend
People get really paranoid about things like genetically engineered or irradiated food. Most of us eat irradiated food all the time -- from the microwave.

Not me! I build a fire to cook each meal...using organic wood! :shock: ;)
 

chess9

Hall of Fame
Much brain death here. Let me repeat: growth hormone is a protein and as such is digested when consumed orally, thus rendered not only harmless but nutritious. Somatostatin is also a peptide and digested when consumed orally. If growth hormone makes cows produce more milk, that's a GOOD thing since there are plenty of people in the world who need food and don't have a lot of money. The pseudo-ecological view arguing against ways to produce more food is selfish, makes no sense here and promotes more hunger in the world.

Well, Mary, I've read about 20 articles so far on this issue and not a single one of them mentions the liver pass as being complete. Furthermore, I know from my reading about bodybuilding drugs that many of these proteins are NOT completely destroyed by the liver. Guys have flunked drug tests from the oral ingestion of 'mere' proteins. This is known by the researchers, so the issues are:

1. Is rBGH toxic to HUMANS, as opposed to rats? That study has not been done. And, apparently the Monsanto study raises some questions about dangers to the rats. ;)

2. Assuming rBGH IS toxic to humans, what are the toxic levels? No one knows.

3. What levels of various hormones and antibiotics are found in American Dairy cattle? Well, apparently it varies wildly depending on what diseases the cow has had, how much antibiotics and other hormones its been given, and who is testing and when. We also rarely test for pesticides, fungicides, and herbicides.

Based on the very rudimentary science that has been applied to rBGH, I'd say we don't know if it's safe or not. It appears the FDA has let us down again. The Canadian report is entirely unsatisfactory, and Monsanto refuses to make the full study public. I tried to find it on the internet and had NO LUCK. Have you or anyone else read it?

Since there are few regulations and almost no testing of 'organic' milk products, we have no assurances the higher prices for them are worth it.

All of which leaves the consumer in a bit of a quandary.

-Robert
 

chess9

Hall of Fame
Lots of publications. I made it as clear as I could for you by referring you to the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) and NCI (National Cancer Institutes) websites, so feel free to examine the data there. Lots of my medical colleagues/friends are oncologists so I also discuss this with them, as they read the literature comprehensively. Cancer rates for the most part are simply not changing significantly when adjusted for age.

Do I assume that any particular substance has a deleterious effect on the planet and its inhabitants? No. I think these things need to be demonstated before we assume they are true.

Lung cancer rates aren't declining?

"Lung cancer accounts for 29 percent of cancer deaths in the United States and
13.2 percent of the cases. Overall, lung cancer incidence rates decreased 1.6 percent per year between 1992 and 1998, due mainly to a decline of 2.7 percent per year in men and a leveling off of rates in women, both manifestations of reductions in tobacco smoking since the 1960s. Lung cancer mortality began to decrease in 1990 in men but an increase in mortality continued until at least 1998 in women. Long-term trends show that women have lagged behind men in lung cancer incidence and death rates. "Significantly, lung cancer death rates in women increased 0.8 percent per year but this rate of increase is slower than earlier periods," said Edward J. Sondik, Ph.D., director of CDC's NCHS."

"Cancer Death Rate Decline Doubling"

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015081522.htm

Also, http://yourtotalhealth.ivillage.com/cancer-death-rates-still-declining.html

None of this data is given as a function of age.

-Robert
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
Yes, some cancer rates have DECLINED. The point I was emphasizing is that for the most part they have not increased. Also, death rates and incidence rates can differ; death rates can increase WITHOUT an increase in incidence if other intercurring causes of death are reduced, as has happened with stroke, for example.
 
Don't you just hate it when facts get in the way of a an otherwise good story?
Bovine somatotropin (abbreviated bST and BST) is a protein hormone produced in the pituitary glands of cattle. It is also called bovine growth hormone, or BGH.
A cow's pituitary gland naturally secretes BST into the bloodstream.
Studies have shown that there is no increase in the amount of BST secreted in the milk when a cow is injected with supplemental rBST. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_somatotropin
In the decade following, rbST was studied
extensively. By 1993, more than
1,500 studies, books, professional papers,
and surveys examined rbST and its implications.
Virtually all scientific studies
determined that rbST posed no danger to
human consumption (Executive Branch).
Backed by overwhelming scientific opinion
that rbST was safe for human consumption,
FDA approved general use of
rbST in November 1993. http://www.ers.usda.gov/Publications/AIB747/aib74701.pdf
The FDA's review of rbGH has been scrutinized by both the Department of Health and Human Services' Office of Inspector General (OIG) and by GAO, as well as by JECFA. On February21, 1992, the OIG announced that an audit of issues related to FDA's review of rbGH found no evidence to question FDA's process for determining the human food safety of rbGH. The OIG found that sufficient research had been conducted to substantiate the safety of the milk and meat of rbGH-treated cows for human consumption. In addition, the OIG found no evidence that indicated that FDA or Monsanto engaged in manipulation or suppression of animal health test data. As noted above, the August 6, 1992 GAO report found that FDA's review of rbGH had met all established guidelines and concluded that bovine growth hormone did not pose a risk for human consumption. In its reviews, JECFA also came to the conclusion that rbGH can be used without any appreciable risk to the health of consumers. http://www.fda.gov/cvm/RBRPTFNL.htm
IGF-1 is structurally similar to insulin and, like insulin, is not biological effective following oral administration.
The safety of IGF-I in milk was thoroughly considered by FDA in its review of the Posilac application.
Since making that analysis, however, FDA has received and reviewed several more comprehensive studies designed to ascertain the effect of rbGH treatment on milk IGF-I levels. These studies have demonstrated that the levels of IGF-I found in milk from treated cows are within the range of those normally found in milk from untreated cows. In 1993, the JECFA Committee concluded, "the most definitive and comprehensive studies demonstrate that IGF-I concentrations [in milk] are not altered after rbGH treatment". The 1998 JECFA Committee report summarized a study showing no significant difference in commercially available milk labeled as coming from non-rbGH treated cows and milk from cows presumed to be treated with rbGH but not labeled as to treatment. http://www.fda.gov/cvm/RBRPTFNL.htm
It bears repeating that the assumptions that milk levels of IGF-I are increased following treatment with rbGH and that biologically active IGF-I is absorbed into the body are not supported by the main body of science. Careful analysis of the published literature fails to provide compelling evidence that milk from rbGH-treated cows contains increased levels of IGF-1 compared to milk from untreated cows. http://www.fda.gov/cvm/RBRPTFNL.htm[/url]
FDA has examined the literature and finds no definitive evidence of any direct link between IGF-I and breast cancer. Some authors have hypothesized a link, whereas others have expressed that while IGF-I is one of several growth factors and hormones that can contribute to an increase in cell numbers of many cell types invitro, no one factor is responsible for changing normal cells into cancerous cells. Furthermore, FDA has been advised that there is no substantive evidence that IGF-I causes normal breast cells to become cancerous.(7) http://www.fda.gov/cvm/RBRPTFNL.htm
 

chess9

Hall of Fame
Don't you just hate it when facts get in the way of a an otherwise good story?
Bovine somatotropin (abbreviated bST and BST) is a protein hormone produced in the pituitary glands of cattle. It is also called bovine growth hormone, or BGH.
A cow's pituitary gland naturally secretes BST into the bloodstream.
Studies have shown that there is no increase in the amount of BST secreted in the milk when a cow is injected with supplemental rBST. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_somatotropin
In the decade following, rbST was studied
extensively. By 1993, more than
1,500 studies, books, professional papers,
and surveys examined rbST and its implications.
Virtually all scientific studies
determined that rbST posed no danger to
human consumption (Executive Branch).
Backed by overwhelming scientific opinion
that rbST was safe for human consumption,
FDA approved general use of
rbST in November 1993. http://www.ers.usda.gov/Publications/AIB747/aib74701.pdf
The FDA's review of rbGH has been scrutinized by both the Department of Health and Human Services' Office of Inspector General (OIG) and by GAO, as well as by JECFA. On February21, 1992, the OIG announced that an audit of issues related to FDA's review of rbGH found no evidence to question FDA's process for determining the human food safety of rbGH. The OIG found that sufficient research had been conducted to substantiate the safety of the milk and meat of rbGH-treated cows for human consumption. In addition, the OIG found no evidence that indicated that FDA or Monsanto engaged in manipulation or suppression of animal health test data. As noted above, the August 6, 1992 GAO report found that FDA's review of rbGH had met all established guidelines and concluded that bovine growth hormone did not pose a risk for human consumption. In its reviews, JECFA also came to the conclusion that rbGH can be used without any appreciable risk to the health of consumers. http://www.fda.gov/cvm/RBRPTFNL.htm
IGF-1 is structurally similar to insulin and, like insulin, is not biological effective following oral administration.
The safety of IGF-I in milk was thoroughly considered by FDA in its review of the Posilac application.
Since making that analysis, however, FDA has received and reviewed several more comprehensive studies designed to ascertain the effect of rbGH treatment on milk IGF-I levels. These studies have demonstrated that the levels of IGF-I found in milk from treated cows are within the range of those normally found in milk from untreated cows. In 1993, the JECFA Committee concluded, "the most definitive and comprehensive studies demonstrate that IGF-I concentrations [in milk] are not altered after rbGH treatment". The 1998 JECFA Committee report summarized a study showing no significant difference in commercially available milk labeled as coming from non-rbGH treated cows and milk from cows presumed to be treated with rbGH but not labeled as to treatment. http://www.fda.gov/cvm/RBRPTFNL.htm
It bears repeating that the assumptions that milk levels of IGF-I are increased following treatment with rbGH and that biologically active IGF-I is absorbed into the body are not supported by the main body of science. Careful analysis of the published literature fails to provide compelling evidence that milk from rbGH-treated cows contains increased levels of IGF-1 compared to milk from untreated cows. http://www.fda.gov/cvm/RBRPTFNL.htm[/url]
FDA has examined the literature and finds no definitive evidence of any direct link between IGF-I and breast cancer. Some authors have hypothesized a link, whereas others have expressed that while IGF-I is one of several growth factors and hormones that can contribute to an increase in cell numbers of many cell types invitro, no one factor is responsible for changing normal cells into cancerous cells. Furthermore, FDA has been advised that there is no substantive evidence that IGF-I causes normal breast cells to become cancerous.(7) http://www.fda.gov/cvm/RBRPTFNL.htm

I love this one: "By 1993, more than
1,500 studies, books, professional papers,
and surveys examined rbST and its implications.
Virtually all scientific studies
determined that rbST posed no danger to
human consumption (Executive Branch)."


Which of those are peer-reviewed and published papers? And VIRTUALLY ALL scientific studies, etc.? LOL. Well, one study found that rBGH produced cancer in monkeys? Or, did it? How would we know? What are the published studies on Monsanto's product?

Here's the problem for me, Charlie. Anyone touting a new drug or treatment must prove to the FDA the treatment is safe and effective for humans. The burden of proof is on the proponent of the drug or treatment. Bodybuilding supplement companies get hammered all the time by the FDA for making claims without any scientific evidence, yet Monsanto, with it's huge political clout, can run a 90 day study of rBGH on rats and that's good enough for the FDA? Are you satisfied with that kind of science? Anyway, I've yet to see one peer reviewed study of Monsanto's product.

The Dept. of Ag. pdf is almost laughable if it weren't so obviously political. The Dept. of Ag. is so in the pocket of industry, and has been for a long time. They gave us the Food Pyramid, remember? And nothing in it is science.

I'm still drinking milk, btw. :)

EDIT: Oh, and oral insulin is here and now. LOL! Quoting any medical science more than a few years old is tricky. http://www.drugdevelopment-technology.com/projects/oral-lyn/ And, notice the hoops they have to go through to get oral insulin approved? But, if you are sticking a drug into a cow that will give milk to humans, 90 days of shooting up rats is fine?

-Robert
 
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I'm still drinking milk, btw. :)

-Robert[/QUOTE]

Glad to see you are still drinking milk. In fact I propose a toast to you with my own glass of milk. Bottums up! To your health!
 

Topaz

Legend
The Dept. of Ag. pdf is almost laughable if it weren't so obviously political. The Dept. of Ag. is so in the pocket of industry, and has been for a long time. They gave us the Food Pyramid, remember? And nothing in it is science.

Quoted for truth!!!

Neither the USDA or FDA necessarily have the interests of human health as their main focus. :(
 

chess9

Hall of Fame
Quoted for truth!!!

Neither the USDA or FDA necessarily have the interests of human health as their main focus. :(

Although I'm not on the same page as Obama on these bailouts, I do hope he cleans up the FDA and Dept. Ag.

-Robert
 

Topaz

Legend
Although I'm not on the same page as Obama on these bailouts, I do hope he cleans up the FDA and Dept. Ag.

-Robert

Me, too, and from what I've read so far, it does seem to be on the agenda (at the very least, increasing the number of inspectors was specifically mentioned).

Now, let's just hope that part of the agenda doesn't get changed!
 
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