Diary of a Racketaholic

AA7

Hall of Fame
Have you strung up/hit with the Tengo yet? I can't say for sure why it's the case, but if yours came with a complimentary fishing pole, it's a good sign. Go with it.
dude.... my tengo adventure is a complete disaster... you know... it came in something like 270sw... and then I sat on it.. can't return it.. I mean I can load that up but then I am not testing the same frame..
realistically I need about 15-20sw... easiest way is like 5 to 7gr at 12... i am sure that is going to be very polarized...then I can distribute the weight.. but again, then I need more static weight ... before you know it becomes this heavy beast.. I just messed that one up. I should have returned right away... it's sitting there in the closet... I can't imagine this thin frame at 270sw is a reasonable option...
 

pedrogcr

Semi-Pro
dude.... my tengo adventure is a complete disaster... you know... it came in something like 270sw... and then I sat on it.. can't return it.. I mean I can load that up but then I am not testing the same frame..
realistically I need about 15-20sw... easiest way is like 5 to 7gr at 12... i am sure that is going to be very polarized...then I can distribute the weight.. but again, then I need more static weight ... before you know it becomes this heavy beast.. I just messed that one up. I should have returned right away... it's sitting there in the closet... I can't imagine this thin frame at 270sw is a reasonable option...

Did you know that extending a racquet by 0.5 inches supposedly adds about 20 SW points? Just saying...
 
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Vicious49

Legend
Miami. Holy crap Badosa is hot. What an athlete. TV doesn’t translate. My crush is real
Super hot. I already have dibs. :love:

I've been on the PB train for the last 2 years or so. She needs to control her emotions on the court a bit more though so she can win more matches so she gets more TV time.
 

naturalexponent

Hall of Fame
dude.... my tengo adventure is a complete disaster... you know... it came in something like 270sw... and then I sat on it.. can't return it.. I mean I can load that up but then I am not testing the same frame..
realistically I need about 15-20sw... easiest way is like 5 to 7gr at 12... i am sure that is going to be very polarized...then I can distribute the weight.. but again, then I need more static weight ... before you know it becomes this heavy beast.. I just messed that one up. I should have returned right away... it's sitting there in the closet... I can't imagine this thin frame at 270sw is a reasonable option...
LOL I also have a number of new frames that are too late to return, because my appetite for frames outpaces my ability to play them. Sigh.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
dude.... my tengo adventure is a complete disaster... you know... it came in something like 270sw... and then I sat on it.. can't return it.. I mean I can load that up but then I am not testing the same frame..
realistically I need about 15-20sw... easiest way is like 5 to 7gr at 12... i am sure that is going to be very polarized...then I can distribute the weight.. but again, then I need more static weight ... before you know it becomes this heavy beast.. I just messed that one up. I should have returned right away... it's sitting there in the closet... I can't imagine this thin frame at 270sw is a reasonable option...
I suspect it will surprise you even at that swing weight. Numbers mean nothing with this frame. TW, sw, etc., It defies them all. String it up, and I bet if you get it to the listed swing weight, you'll be fine with it. I'm hitting both patterns stock. It's a first.
 

TimePlease

Semi-Pro
I suspect it will surprise you even at that swing weight. Numbers mean nothing with this frame. TW, sw, etc., It defies them all. String it up, and I bet if you get it to the listed swing weight, you'll be fine with it. I'm hitting both patterns stock. It's a first.
I second this; forget the numbers and keep it light. Pneumated had a beefy one, though, so bear that in mind. Most of us found the groove with 2-3g (total) at 3 and 9. It needs stability more than plow. Keep it nimble, though, as it's all about the angles and micro adjustments. If you put too much weight and lose that, you're no longer dancing the Tengo.

 
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danbrenner

Legend
So I played for the first time of the year Last night.
And because of Alcaraz success felt like I had to use the Pure Strike P17 98. Along side my PD 21.
But for the most part I used the PS. The feel of that box beam on a Babolat is a thing of beauty. That feeling of precision in a Bab is excellent. And all the while channeling the Alcatraz out of me. Being that I can’t use the pa 98 cause of that grip shape difference. As far as sticks I would like to maybe test out over the next month or two. 1. Pure drive 98. 2. Pure drive tour
 

danbrenner

Legend
But to follow up. I would be open th make the P17 98 my main. Just need more time to play it against my PD and see if I can adapt to the 98
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
I second this; forget the numbers and keep it light. Pneumated had a beefy one, though, so bear that in mind. Most of us found the groove with 2-3g (total) at 3 and 9. It needs stability more than plow. Keep it nimble, though, as it's all about the angles and micro adjustments. If you put too much weight and lose that, you're no longer dancing the Tengo.

At first I thought it was beefy, but I'm not so sure. I have no way of finding out, so it's all speculation. But swinging it against EZ98, which should be close to listed swing weight (318), they feel pretty close. LeGads may just edge it, but I suspect it's no greater than 320. LeMonf seems to have a lower swing weight, and I prefer it, so the faster these swing the better, to both of our points.
 

tim-ay

Legend
Super hot. I already have dibs. :love:

I've been on the PB train for the last 2 years or so. She needs to control her emotions on the court a bit more though so she can win more matches so she gets more TV time.
I’m like 15’ away from her right now. Although my wife is next to me. My wife said “I know you’re crushing on her but she would beat your sense of humor right out of you”. Sigh. True dat.
 

Vicious49

Legend
I’m like 15’ away from her right now. Although my wife is next to me. My wife said “I know you’re crushing on her but she would beat your sense of humor right out of you”. Sigh. True dat.
So jelly! I turned on TC and they have the Giron/Garin match on that time so I figured you were watching live. Also since you said she looks much hotter in person. You think it would be the opposite but I remember when I was younger I went to a few ECW wrestling events and some of the women were even better looking in person.
 

Kozzy

Hall of Fame
Speaking of lighter SW, I got a Volkl Tour 10 Mid (93 si) in the mail yesterday. It was strung up with some ancient kevlar in the mains with syngut in the crosses. It was about 334g, with a balance just under 32cm, and a SW of 316. I hit with a guy I can dominate with almost anything, but it was kinda fun to try it out. Firstly, the Kevlar/Syngut combo, even if it was 10 years old (like it seemed to be) felt awesome. It's got that crunchy/crispy/soft thing going on - with some great bite on the ball. I've done the kevlar Zyex thing and always liked that, but I might like kevlar/syngut better. It must be aged at least 10 years though.... I'm gonna try that out in some other frames. Secondly, the SW was OK - I had fun with it. I will have to start experimenting again with SW in the 320 - 325 range, and the timing is great because I'm taking a break from USTA/competitive play so I've got no pressure.
 

tim-ay

Legend
So jelly! I turned on TC and they have the Giron/Garin match on that time so I figured you were watching live. Also since you said she looks much hotter in person. You think it would be the opposite but I remember when I was younger I went to a few ECW wrestling events and some of the women were even better looking in person.
Yeah match is on the 3rd biggest court. That’s the problem with TV tennis. This thing is third set and great tennis and unless you are here you can’t see it.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
I have some theories on this that may help, and it's such a massive question when trying out racquets that I am going to make this a multi-parter. Part 1 :


yes so there is an interesting dilemma here..

I have been a sucker for control frames...flexy etc.. same mind-set... b/c I just rather hit the ball "right" full extension..unload and not hold back (obv... when attacking.. not making a blanket statement for all shots in tennis)..

This is not right or wrong.. this also does not mean you win a tennis match this way, but in my mind, I have chosen the longer path.. suck longer and in the end, play the game right (from a technical perspective with strokes and foot work etc...) vs... let's say (i am exaggerating)... "do whatever you need to do to get the tennis ball across the net inside the lines as many times as possible".. now that's ok... I have made my bed... happy to sleep in it... this is just the way I get enjoyment out of the game...
having said that... I feel like control frames vs.. more direct powerful frames...there is an upside/downside here in development as well.

they both have unforgiving traits... as we talk about... being able to control a tweener frame also means you are much more aware of the right contact.. you don't get a 2nd chance to make adjustments... that is making you work harder on other things (hand-eye cordination/contact point)... now... obv... they defend easier so it's also not making you work on other things (foot work...setup)... or it lets you bunt back stuff easier... where a control frame will leave you a higher chance of being punished if you mess it up...

weirdly enough.. my mind is wondering.. is vc98 with its 62 RA can be the ez98 with a bit more pocketing... technically no... string pattern is very different... I also can't stand a high launch angle but ez98 is low enough that a little higher than that may work... I was having these thoughts and saw @ACT video that ended up confirming this view and now i have a bug for the first time in a while.. having a bit of personality crisis here... who am I?? hahah...

@Power Player - with regards to ez98... now that you mentioned it. that make as ton of sense (about pocketing). i did get occasional nice pocketing but could not put my finger on why and when.. but that may very well explain it.. good call out!!



Yep. The first thing is accepting this dilemma will never go away. With a control frame you can indeed swing harder but this is where you have to analyze how you hit the ball, which is a big grey area. We like to say flat laser hitter versus loopy spin hitter and make it binary but there is a giant void in between there, which is what makes tennis so cool.

To simplify things a little, if you are under ~6 feet (not sure if you are, just speaking in a mass general term here), you can still hit flat but it may make sense to consider hitting with more shape. This is an issue I have had as I love to drive the ball, and use players frames, but part of my experiment over the past 6 months has been trying all the frames I have at my disposal and just trying to get an agnostic idea of what works best for my style. I would describe my FH as one with heavy spin and my errors are typically more over hitting than underhitting and giving up short balls. Sometimes a control frame can save me there but what I have found by hitting thousands of balls on the machine and in matches is that I win with high % tennis. Now that is obvious and unsexy but like I said, it's building your game with a strong foundation. Don't give points away, which means no shots into the net or long in my case.

I have said this before but I have won easier leagues in the past just hitting heavy deep topspin, and while it was no fun, it was a lesson I needed to remember - consistency, fitness and energy conservation wins matches. What is awesome about UTR is you don't have to wait a season to get moved into a higher bracket of players, you can go out and develop that foundation of safe, heavy consistency and then ramp that up into a more attacking style once the opponents get better. I was moving right into UTR 6+ matches literally right when my health went south and it really sucked because I was playing well and getting matches with players who hit more quality shots. My regular match partner was a 4.5C who I was driving off the court and finding holes in his game I could attack regularly. So I basically had to start from scratch late last year, but it's been a fun journey so far.

The point is that the heavy, deep consistent topspin shot is a foundation for many (not all) players. It is not the final destination. I think to get better at matchplay in tennis and climb the rankings you need to see the ball go in a lot while putting high racquet head speed on it.

What have I learned frame wise ? Ok this one is related to the Ezone or any control frame - if you like to hit with more ball shape and topspin (I am not saying Nadal level, but heavy spin within reason), you are going to use a bit more energy to generate that ball. What you should not be doing is gassing yourself out after 1 set. The goal is controlled aggression - relaxed movement, fast hands through contact, nail the sweetspot and fire off a heavy shot. At rec level you should be able to maintain this 60-70% level of hitting for at least 10 balls in a rally and play at your best level for at least 2 hours, which is the typical match length.

My personal observation with a control frame like the Ezone, or TGT or Dunlop Cx200..etc is that the rewarding feel comes from impacting the ball more linear. Ezone is a perfect example, it provides some nice pocketing when you hit it that way. The question I have for myself is can I do that over and over in a match and hit balls in? The feel of control frames can sometimes cause me to chase the dragon of drilling the sweetspot with a flatter trajectory than my natural or ideal swing path should be. If I had a slower swing and hit flatter and slower, this would not be a problem at all but that is simply not how I play. I notice that with a more controlled frame I will still hit with a lot of spin but just vertical enough to not really always get that "sweetspot benefit", if you will.

So with the Ezone, the question is who is it for? I think the Ezone is one of the most versatile frames you can buy. But when you see a guy like Kyrgios destroying the ball using insane top with his xi98, you have to remember he is 6'4 and makes contact much higher than most tennis players. So he can hit more down into the court, destroy the ball over and over with heavy RPMs while keeping his energy. The ezone for a shorter player is absolutely still viable but a good model of ideal ball shape per player many times boils down to things like height when looking for an ideal frame. With the Ezone, I think for most players, and you mentioned this, the impact of the ball is more vertical and as a result you can lose the benefit of the frames pocketing.

I say this because it is very evident when switching from the Ezone to the Pure Drive or a tweener style frame (Dunny, Aero, even blade pro included). As soon as I go to the Pure Drive, I get that nice sweet spot benefit while coming over the ball more with a bit more of a vertical swing shape.

I hope no one reads this and thinks that I am saying shorter playters can't use control frames because tennis is whatever you want it to be. These are just my observations for my game based on coaching I have received over the years and personal experience.

I know a guy a little shorter than me who hits flat as hell and has ATP points, so the height thing not an absolute rule, more of a guide if you are unsure on what to do. The thing I see with him though is his hand eye coordination is elite. He can constantly catch the ball early and out in front, and can punish loopy hitters. So you have to ask yourself if you can do that as well. That is a game changer and renders a lot of things I just said irrelevant. For what it is worth, I have played tennis with hundreds of people and he is the only one I have seen that hands like that.
 

Fintft

G.O.A.T.
Yep. The first thing is accepting this dilemma will never go away. With a control frame you can indeed swing harder
Or you could swing harder with a control string and that's why I Iove Big Spin/Tour Hex hybrid over Fluux in a powerful frame, that still has some control, like BP v8 16x19.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
Im contemplating dipping my toe back into tweenerville on this beat BabyFed mission.
I also want to beat Dr Fitbit who is just abusing me at times with his leaded up PUre Drives.

I was thinking SX 300 Tour or possibly FX 500 (tour?) Or even the new Pure Aero.
What I’ve learned from losing to him (Fed Jr.) so many times is that my best bet is to play him high, consistent and slow. Hard and flat = instant retaliation. Same with serves. Have to go with junk serves all day. I need to drag him in to my pusher slice hell. Im not playing any type of league until late April so I might try (again) to train myself on the tweener.

Otherwise I have to say right now what the science tells us is that my best tennis is with the Blade V8 18x20. Vanilla as hell

Ok this is part 2 and hopefully not as long. First off, I would love if you demoed the 300 Tour and the 500 non tour. From most feedback those 2 sound like the best frames in each model.

So it sounds kind of like you are in a similar boat as what I described in Part 1 - wanting to get the foundation down of less errors and deeper balls. The reality is a lot of damn good players feed off of pace so it makes total sense. I have never had a good counter puncher say to me "I love some incoming heavy spin, it's so fun to time that up", no they say "I love pace". It's their mantra. To beat someone with heavy pace you need to be hitting lines and tight corners a lot, and that's the next phase but not the foundation for many of us.

I love the Blades because they have control, you can do all kinds of things to the ball, I have used multiple iterations of it and still have some 2015s laying around somewhere. This is completely down to personal preference. When I switched to the Pure Drive and Ezone 100 from the Blade, the coach I had at the time was like "this makes more sense, you are driving me back a lot more and the ball is landing safer in the lines". So why did I not stay with the PD? Well I moved to the Rocky mountains, and that was a pretty big adjustment since you use "altitude" balls and really need bit more spin up here. I am totally used to them now and it feels like normal tennis, but altitude is real and it took me a while to adjust to where I finally feel like I can wield a power frame again.

The other thing to watch out for and the one that always got me in the past was the comfort level. Honestly I would just be competing with the 2012 PD if it was not such a stiff vibration machine. But it can make the arm sing a bit, and you have to be careful there. The Fx500 is a stiff frame but it's 2023 and technology is real. There is a chance that this thing is fine on the arm with full poly. It feels comfortable to me, even on mishits where the PD12 would vibrate like a madman. I can't speak to the comfort of the PA23, but it's pretty dang soft RA and could be a viable option, although I doubt it has the boom of the PD or FX500 - could be a good thing.

Main thing is a tweener is an easy frame for beginners because they can barely swing and get depth. It is a really easy frame for advanced players since they can swing super hard and control them with spin. It is not an easy frame for intermediates because you need to stay consistent (relaxed, customized mind) in your strokes. If you can do that, it becomes an advanatage and a weapon. If you can't help yourself and want to blast the ball, then you will be a UE machine. But if you can commit to 60-70% swings and trust the contact point out in front, you will be hitting big shots with heavy spin that stay in the lines and possibly play more consistent, energy -efficient tennis.

It is worth a shot. This stuff is fun anyway. Meant to be a journey that is enjoyed.
 
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Power Player

Bionic Poster
Or you could swing harder with a control string and that's why Iove Big Spin/Tour Hex hybrid over Fluux in a powerful frame, that still has some control, like BP v8 16x19.

Im not sure what this means. Durafluxx is a control string though. Anyway the whole point is I am focused on swing faster rather than harder. There is a big difference. That was the point of my post.
 

Fintft

G.O.A.T.
Im not sure what this means. Durafluxx is a control string though. Anyway the whole point is I am focused on swing faster rather than harder. There is a big difference. That was the point of my post.
Compared to Big Spin/Tour Hex, Durafluxx has way less control, imo. And since the former is also mushy/soft, it inspires confidence to swing faster (at least to me and @galapagos :))
Finally the more relaxed and faster you yeld a BP, so better.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
Compared to Big Spin/Tour Hex, Durafluxx has way less control, imo. And since the former is also mushy/soft, it inspires confidence to swing faster (at least to me and @galapagos :))
Finally the more relaxed and faster you yeld a BP, so better.

Ok you said harder before and it’s a rather big difference than faster. Thats what I was trying to explain.

I have zero control issues with df but im glad you found your string for your game. Ill be trying 1.20 focus hex in my bp this weekend. I’ve had 2 packs sitting here for a year now and it’s time to use them.
 

Fintft

G.O.A.T.
Ok you said harder before and it’s a rather big difference than faster. Thats what I was trying to explain.

I have zero control issues with df but im glad you found your string for your game. Ill be trying 1.20 focus hex in my bp this weekend. I’ve had 2 packs sitting here for a year now and it’s time to use them.
The end result is hard/fast balls, but ideally you want to swing fast (hence my racquet switch to 305g from the 345g in RF97A, that apparently I wasn't swinging fast enough).
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
So with the Ezone, the question is who is it for? I think the Ezone is one of the most versatile frames you can buy. But when you see a guy like Kyrgios destroying the ball using insane top with his xi98, you have to remember he is 6'4 and makes contact much higher than most tennis players. So he can hit more down into the court, destroy the ball over and over with heavy RPMs while keeping his energy. The ezone for a shorter player is absolutely still viable but a good model of ideal ball shape per player many times boils down to things like height when looking for an ideal frame. With the Ezone, I think for most players, and you mentioned this, the impact of the ball is more vertical and as a result you can lose the benefit of the frames pocketing.

I say this because it is very evident when switching from the Ezone to the Pure Drive or a tweener style frame (Dunny, Aero, even blade pro included). As soon as I go to the Pure Drive, I get that nice sweet spot benefit while coming over the ball more with a bit more of a vertical swing shape.
I'm 6'2" and, as you know, have the Ezone in the mix currently. I find LeGads and the Ezone to produce a very similar ball, so here's some lab-tested data. My first string in LeGads was a very soft poly: Gosen G Tour 3, and my control with it was exceptional throughout, especially the more it wore and pocketed the ball. As you mention, I'm relatively tall, so while I hit with minimal loop but a lot of spin/bite, I need a pocketing string in open patterns in order to cover the ball and drive it 'flat.' My ball isn't really 'flat' when I see it on video, but it's what my intention is/what I feel like I'm doing.

I'm hitting a very similar ball with the Ezone with no adjustments. What I've noticed is that the Ezone hits a similar trajectory but is more zippy and more prone to falling just long. But, I'm still on the lightly used string it came with at unknown tension, and it feels pretty loose. I think my point is I can play both of these frames well with a pockety string that gives me a little more dwell. Whether or not I need to 'add a little spin' to the Ezone vs. LeGads will be determined through string testing, but strings seem to be the only variable so far in these two open patterns for me. In other words, the frames respond to my natural swing/intention pretty well. And it's worth mentioning that I've had more fliers with LeGads since stringing with Hawk Touch than the much softer/dwelly G Tour 3.

Then there's LeMonf, which has surprisingly and quickly become #1 in my bag. Same frame as LeGads, but trajectory, spin, etc., seem hardwired to my brain. I can still get monster bite with it by virtue of the height I'm coming from. If I had to create net clearance with that 18x20, I don't think it would be worth the effort. As it stands, there's no effort or thought at work, just doing.

All three work well for me, but the open patterns require me to be on top of string choice. And as I type this, the reality of tighter patterns just seems my logical choice. And now to take this off on an unexpected tangent ... if I can't find more LeMonfs, the Auxetic Prestige Pro and PK Pro Tour 325 might have to be hit just to see if I can still adjust to that much weight. If not, I may seriously consider the GT again. I loved that frame. Ironically, there's rumor that it's a Europe-only offering as well, just like LeMonf. Sorry to get off track, but I think a good portion above ties in.

Edit: I have a buddy who will sell me a pair of UTs for $100 (for both). And I still have a pair of grommets. The circle ...
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
I'm 6'2" and, as you know, have the Ezone in the mix currently. I find LeGads and the Ezone to produce a very similar ball, so here's some lab-tested data. My first string in LeGads was a very soft poly: Gosen G Tour 3, and my control with it was exceptional throughout, especially the more it wore and pocketed the ball. As you mention, I'm relatively tall, so while I hit with minimal loop but a lot of spin/bite, I need a pocketing string in open patterns in order to cover the ball and drive it 'flat.' My ball isn't really 'flat' when I see it on video, but it's what my intention is/what I feel like I'm doing.

I'm hitting a very similar ball with the Ezone with no adjustments. What I've noticed is that the Ezone hits a similar trajectory but is more zippy and more prone to falling just long. But, I'm still on the lightly used string it came with at unknown tension, and it feels pretty loose. I think my point is I can play both of these frames well with a pockety string that gives me a little more dwell. Whether or not I need to 'add a little spin' to the Ezone vs. LeGads will be determined through string testing, but strings seem to be the only variable so far in these two open patterns for me. In other words, the frames respond to my natural swing/intention pretty well. And it's worth mentioning that I've had more fliers with LeGads since stringing with Hawk Touch than the much softer/dwelly G Tour 3.

Then there's LeMonf, which has surprisingly and quickly become #1 in my bag. Same frame as LeGads, but trajectory, spin, etc., seem hardwired to my brain. I can still get monster bite with it by virtue of the height I'm coming from. If I had to create net clearance with that 18x20, I don't think it would be worth the effort. As it stands, there's no effort or thought at work, just doing.

All three work well for me, but the open patterns require me to be on top of string choice. And as I type this, the reality of tighter patterns just seems my logical choice. And now to take this off on an unexpected tangent ... if I can't find more LeMonfs, the Auxetic Prestige Pro and PK Pro Tour 325 might have to be hit just to see if I can still adjust to that much weight. If not, I may seriously consider the GT again. I loved that frame. Ironically, there's rumor that it's a Europe-only offering as well, just like LeMonf. Sorry to get off track, but I think a good portion above ties in.

Edit: I have a buddy who will sell me a pair of UTs for $100 (for both). And I still have a pair of grommets. The circle ...

Yep it makes sense. You can naturally hit flatter with higher margins over the net so going 18x20 is a viable option if you like it. The Ezone is rather tight, almost like an 18x20 in the mains, just has more pop to it than an Artengo so you would have to add a little more rotation to keep it in.

May want to just see which frame requires the least amount of effort to hit at the pace you want and then you are good to go.
 

Vicious49

Legend
At rec level you should be able to maintain this 60-70% level of hitting for at least 10 balls in a rally and play at your best level for at least 2 hours, which is the typical match length.
I'm amazed how many people can't do this. Maybe I've always had good stamina but this seems pretty easy for me (with the exception being the middle of summer here where it's more about me not being able to rehydrate quick enough) which is why I'll often play doubles after a singles match. It's also why a lot of times I'm able to play a war of attrition type style. I do pace myself though where I'm not sprinting all out on every point like I may have when I was younger. It's rougher here in Houston (and FL as well I'm sure) but living in an area without this humidity there shouldn't be a reason to get tired over 2-3 sets.

EDIT: I remember during my paintball days my resting heart rate was about 54-56bpm. One of the guys who was training to be a PT said it's really good if you're low as it means your heart isn't working as fast to get oxygen in to your blood stream. And that Lance Armstrongs used to be in the 40s. Last time I had a physical my heart rate was in the low 60s so it's gone up since but I'm guessing that's still on the lower side.
 
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Fintft

G.O.A.T.
I'm amazed how many people can't do this. Maybe I've always had good stamina but this seems pretty easy for me (with the exception being the middle of summer here where it's more about me not being able to rehydrate quick enough) which is why I'll often play doubles after a singles match. It's also why a lot of times I'm able to play a war of attrition type style. I do pace myself though where I'm not sprinting all out on every point like I may have when I was younger. It's rougher here in Houston (and FL as well I'm sure) but living in an area without this humidity there shouldn't be a reason to get tired over 2-3 sets.

EDIT: I remember during my paintball days my resting heart rate was about 54-56bpm. One of the guys who was training to be a PT said it's really good if you're low as it means your heart isn't working as fast to get oxygen in to your blood stream. And that Lance Armstrongs used to be in the 40s. Last time I had a physical my heart rate was in the low 60s so it's gone up since but I'm guessing that's still on the lower sid
About the former: I also think very few people bellow 4.5 can hit 10 rally balls at 70-80% power/pace. By contrast look at @Richard Pioline , as it seems that he'd never miss. And we are talking in a friendly rally, when you don't have to scramble as much.
About the later, the heart rate: That's true, but also the heart rate recovery rate is an indicator of fitness level: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/heart-rate-recovery-takes-longer.644803/
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
About the former: I also think very few people bellow 4.5 can hit 10 rally balls at 70-80% power/pace.
About the later, the heart rate: That's true, but also the hear rate recovery rate is an indicator of fitness level: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/heart-rate-recovery-takes-longer.644803/

I think you are correct on both counts. It is pretty rare to see many, if any 20 ball rallys at lower level rec matches. Which is why I believe if you can hit 10 in a row, you will have the shot tolerance to beat a lot of players. I know a guy who literally did this and got bumped to 4.5C after losing maybe 3 matches for his 4.0 Mens team and then winning back to back 4.0 tournaments. He is the guy I mentioned in the past who plays tennis like an accountant.

He does not hit very hard, but he can vary the pace up decently. He just is very smart at patience when attacking. Personally, that is not my style but it is something to learn from. Also he struggles at 4.5 because he doesn't have the pace on his shots. So my concept is to stay controlled, but swing faster so the pace and weight of shot is second nature once you get up to the higher levels. So its not about soft moonballs, it's about heavy balls that you can hit at 70% power over and over from all areas of the court.

Also heart rate recovery is indeed a key indicator of fitness level, and it greatly helps on court.
 

Fintft

G.O.A.T.
I think you are correct on both counts. It is pretty rare to see many, if any 20 ball rallys at lower level rec matches. Which is why I believe if you can hit 10 in a row, you will have the shot tolerance to beat a lot of players. I know a guy who literally did this and got bumped to 4.5C after losing maybe 3 matches for his 4.0 Mens team and then winning back to back 4.0 tournaments. He is the guy I mentioned in the past who plays tennis like an accountant.

He does not hit very hard, but he can vary the pace up decently. He just is very smart at patience when attacking. Personally, that is not my style but it is something to learn from. Also he struggles at 4.5 because he doesn't have the pace on his shots. So my concept is to stay controlled, but swing faster so the pace and weight of shot is second nature once you get up to the higher levels. So its not about soft moonballs, it's about heavy balls that you can hit at 70% power over and over from all areas of the court.

Also heart rate recovery is indeed a key indicator of fitness level, and it greatly helps on court.
My coach agrees with you.
 

Vicious49

Legend
I think you are correct on both counts. It is pretty rare to see many, if any 20 ball rallys at lower level rec matches. Which is why I believe if you can hit 10 in a row, you will have the shot tolerance to beat a lot of players. I know a guy who literally did this and got bumped to 4.5C after losing maybe 3 matches for his 4.0 Mens team and then winning back to back 4.0 tournaments. He is the guy I mentioned in the past who plays tennis like an accountant.

He does not hit very hard, but he can vary the pace up decently. He just is very smart at patience when attacking. Personally, that is not my style but it is something to learn from. Also he struggles at 4.5 because he doesn't have the pace on his shots. So my concept is to stay controlled, but swing faster so the pace and weight of shot is second nature once you get up to the higher levels. So its not about soft moonballs, it's about heavy balls that you can hit at 70% power over and over from all areas of the court.

Also heart rate recovery is indeed a key indicator of fitness level, and it greatly helps on court.
Ah, gotcha. Yeah we don't get many that long in our singles matches. Maybe a handful per match. I seem to get in to longer rallies in doubles as it's basically hitting high cross court to keep away from the net guy. And on those the opponent is usually huffing and puffing by the end of it. Doubles has helped me develop the 'ultimate rally ball' as Peter Freeman calls it. I just sit there and swing about 70% and keep it high and outside so it doesn't get poached.

I know the type of person you're talking about. When I go back to VA there's a guy I play who used to be a soccer player so he still has very good speed and stamina. Last time he beat me 6-1 6-2 or something like that. He gets to every ball and despite not having any real weapons he is able to place it where it's hard for you to get a good shot. He said he does well at 4.0 but at 4.5 they have too much pace where he can't run down the balls as easily.

EDIT: I originally thought you meant 10 shots total and not 10 shots each.
 
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emhtennis

Professional
I have some theories on this that may help, and it's such a massive question when trying out racquets that I am going to make this a multi-parter. Part 1 :






Yep. The first thing is accepting this dilemma will never go away. With a control frame you can indeed swing harder but this is where you have to analyze how you hit the ball, which is a big grey area. We like to say flat laser hitter versus loopy spin hitter and make it binary but there is a giant void in between there, which is what makes tennis so cool.

To simplify things a little, if you are under ~6 feet (not sure if you are, just speaking in a mass general term here), you can still hit flat but it may make sense to consider hitting with more shape. This is an issue I have had as I love to drive the ball, and use players frames, but part of my experiment over the past 6 months has been trying all the frames I have at my disposal and just trying to get an agnostic idea of what works best for my style. I would describe my FH as one with heavy spin and my errors are typically more over hitting than underhitting and giving up short balls. Sometimes a control frame can save me there but what I have found by hitting thousands of balls on the machine and in matches is that I win with high % tennis. Now that is obvious and unsexy but like I said, it's building your game with a strong foundation. Don't give points away, which means no shots into the net or long in my case.

I have said this before but I have won easier leagues in the past just hitting heavy deep topspin, and while it was no fun, it was a lesson I needed to remember - consistency, fitness and energy conservation wins matches. What is awesome about UTR is you don't have to wait a season to get moved into a higher bracket of players, you can go out and develop that foundation of safe, heavy consistency and then ramp that up into a more attacking style once the opponents get better. I was moving right into UTR 6+ matches literally right when my health went south and it really sucked because I was playing well and getting matches with players who hit more quality shots. My regular match partner was a 4.5C who I was driving off the court and finding holes in his game I could attack regularly. So I basically had to start from scratch late last year, but it's been a fun journey so far.

The point is that the heavy, deep consistent topspin shot is a foundation for many (not all) players. It is not the final destination. I think to get better at matchplay in tennis and climb the rankings you need to see the ball go in a lot while putting high racquet head speed on it.

What have I learned frame wise ? Ok this one is related to the Ezone or any control frame - if you like to hit with more ball shape and topspin (I am not saying Nadal level, but heavy spin within reason), you are going to use a bit more energy to generate that ball. What you should not be doing is gassing yourself out after 1 set. The goal is controlled aggression - relaxed movement, fast hands through contact, nail the sweetspot and fire off a heavy shot. At rec level you should be able to maintain this 60-70% level of hitting for at least 10 balls in a rally and play at your best level for at least 2 hours, which is the typical match length.

My personal observation with a control frame like the Ezone, or TGT or Dunlop Cx200..etc is that the rewarding feel comes from impacting the ball more linear. Ezone is a perfect example, it provides some nice pocketing when you hit it that way. The question I have for myself is can I do that over and over in a match and hit balls in? The feel of control frames can sometimes cause me to chase the dragon of drilling the sweetspot with a flatter trajectory than my natural or ideal swing path should be. If I had a slower swing and hit flatter and slower, this would not be a problem at all but that is simply not how I play. I notice that with a more controlled frame I will still hit with a lot of spin but just vertical enough to not really always get that "sweetspot benefit", if you will.

So with the Ezone, the question is who is it for? I think the Ezone is one of the most versatile frames you can buy. But when you see a guy like Kyrgios destroying the ball using insane top with his xi98, you have to remember he is 6'4 and makes contact much higher than most tennis players. So he can hit more down into the court, destroy the ball over and over with heavy RPMs while keeping his energy. The ezone for a shorter player is absolutely still viable but a good model of ideal ball shape per player many times boils down to things like height when looking for an ideal frame. With the Ezone, I think for most players, and you mentioned this, the impact of the ball is more vertical and as a result you can lose the benefit of the frames pocketing.

I say this because it is very evident when switching from the Ezone to the Pure Drive or a tweener style frame (Dunny, Aero, even blade pro included). As soon as I go to the Pure Drive, I get that nice sweet spot benefit while coming over the ball more with a bit more of a vertical swing shape.

I hope no one reads this and thinks that I am saying shorter playters can't use control frames because tennis is whatever you want it to be. These are just my observations for my game based on coaching I have received over the years and personal experience.

I know a guy a little shorter than me who hits flat as hell and has ATP points, so the height thing not an absolute rule, more of a guide if you are unsure on what to do. The thing I see with him though is his hand eye coordination is elite. He can constantly catch the ball early and out in front, and can punish loopy hitters. So you have to ask yourself if you can do that as well. That is a game changer and renders a lot of things I just said irrelevant. For what it is worth, I have played tennis with hundreds of people and he is the only one I have seen that hands like that.
I enjoyed reading this post, and it caused me to reflect as well.

2 years ago a 6'4 Brazilian coach helped me rebuild my FH from the ground up. Grip, swingpath, everything. Today, my forehand is both bigger, heavier, and more consistent than it ever was previous to the rebuild.

Before, my shot tolerance was 3 - maybe, today it is closer to 10 and most points rarely get that high. I think the deep heavy ball to the ad side is a must for 4.5 and above tennis. You have to hit it, and you yourself must have the skill to defend against it.

I did play a 5.0 doctor about a year ago who had an RP caliber 1HBH who had unreal timing on the ad side. Any shape or pace of ball he could take off the bounce and hit Warwrinka frozen ropes wherever he wanted. I saw the next plateau of skill, and still work on climbing towards it.

As for rackets, I really look for frames that create as few "ball machine" balls as possible. I hate giving an opponent a ball that doesn't challenge them. Not enough, pace, spin, depth, etc just some watermelon to tee off on. So I look for frames that help with at least one of those attributes. Power is the dangerous one, because I can usually create enough of that on my own. So help with spin is what's left (hence the Dunlop SX300 Tour and Angell 16x19s).

The current focus while on court is trying to have more conservative placement targets so I can be more aggressive swinging the racket. Trying to do both usually ends in disappointment with a wide or long error.
 

veelium

Hall of Fame
I think you are correct on both counts. It is pretty rare to see many, if any 20 ball rallys at lower level rec matches. Which is why I believe if you can hit 10 in a row, you will have the shot tolerance to beat a lot of players. I know a guy who literally did this and got bumped to 4.5C after losing maybe 3 matches for his 4.0 Mens team and then winning back to back 4.0 tournaments. He is the guy I mentioned in the past who plays tennis like an accountant.

He does not hit very hard, but he can vary the pace up decently. He just is very smart at patience when attacking. Personally, that is not my style but it is something to learn from. Also he struggles at 4.5 because he doesn't have the pace on his shots. So my concept is to stay controlled, but swing faster so the pace and weight of shot is second nature once you get up to the higher levels. So its not about soft moonballs, it's about heavy balls that you can hit at 70% power over and over from all areas of the court.

Also heart rate recovery is indeed a key indicator of fitness level, and it greatly helps on court.
I have the opposite impression. Many of the lower level matches I watch have alot of 20+ rallies since both players are afraid to miss and just put it back into play.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
I have the opposite impression. Many of the lower level matches I watch have alot of 20+ rallies since both players are afraid to miss and just put it back into play.
If we are talking pushing, sure, yeah. I am talking more about hitting quality balls but this ties into that. If you can play a pusher and hit 10 quality balls back, that really changes their mindset since they are expecting you to hammer maybe 3 at them and then make a mistake. Also if they are just pushing and not counter punching you can easily set up the mid/wide/opposite side pattern which is a low risk pattern to end points with
 

JGads

G.O.A.T.
Margins, gents. The finest of little margins. We know this is tennis, we say and hear it all the time, but really my match and my 'holicing tonight was yet another illustration. To continue the two-day theme of throwing some of the other sticks into the science sauce, I gave this new fascination of mine, New Blue, the PT 690, the start today. New opponent who turned out to be a lot like me: Prestige man (Touch), consistency his jam. Fast (ok maybe not exactly me). Liked to work the point and get in. The setting was an atrocious clay hall with some potholes in the mud and bad lighting...

With New Blue (or Big Blue?) I broke him in a marathon opening game and then found myself up 2-0. Then had I think three break points for the double-break, but he held those off and held, and in that game and over the next several, I had so many key points where I sent the kill ball just barely long. Every one of his service games seemed to be a slog where we were into deuce and I had my chances, more break points, yet found myself failing to convert these time and again. Meanwhile he broke me back for 2-1, then I played a another loose service game to get broken again, and what's that now? Before I knew it he had reeled off five straight games, bringing upon the famous 2-5 changeover. Missing just long a bit too often, but wanting to keep things blue and incognito, I yanked out Ol' Blue for the precision. But we each then held, so I was a set down and with work to do...

Next set? Rinse and repeat: 2-0 up, then suddenly 2-3 down a break. The margins had flipped to the other extreme: my backhand down the line found the tape a few frustrating times, and this is usually my money shot, going down the line with either a flatter backhand for the winner attempt, or a low chip and charge into the net. Ach. This was so dumb. And on that 2-3 changeover, finally I said screw it with the Blue theme and reached for the burgundy parachute.

The Prestige 293.1 and its open pattern gave me that in-between: the control, but with added margin and spin, and a whippier tool, and in this growing grind-fest in the potholed mud I broke him back both immediately and then later for the set, 6-4. Figured we would play the Super to decide it, but he wanted to stop there with five or six minutes left in our time. Granted the accepted play is to always stop with five minutes left to sweep up for the next group, but it seemed pretty clear no one was coming, it was the end of the night, so for sure we could have played it out. However, no worries, playing a full third some other day is probably the fairest and for the best, in the end.

So yet again: I dabble with the newbies, but end up with one of my two Most Trusteds (Prestige and Fedora). Good player, and truly a fun battle. I suppose going from a 107 Thunderbat down to a 95 PT was a bit kamikaze, but it's all in good MSF Season fun and I ended up where I will likely always end up, the Prestige and Fedora, my Goldilocks Duo. This night reminds me of my exchange during yesterday's two-match affair against the Power Forehand dude who, early on in the second match, paused before serving and asked, "Did you change racquets?" My response: "Yep. I'm kind of an idiot." He nodded, and served.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
Margins, gents. The finest of little margins. We know this is tennis, we say and hear it all the time, but really my match and my 'holicing tonight was yet another illustration. To continue the two-day theme of throwing some of the other sticks into the science sauce, I gave this new fascination of mine, New Blue, the PT 690, the start today. New opponent who turned out to be a lot like me: Prestige man (Touch), consistency his jam. Fast (ok maybe not exactly me). Liked to work the point and get in. The setting was an atrocious clay hall with some potholes in the mud and bad lighting...

With New Blue (or Big Blue?) I broke him in a marathon opening game and then found myself up 2-0. Then had I think three break points for the double-break, but he held those off and held, and in that game and over the next several, I had so many key points where I sent the kill ball just barely long. Every one of his service games seemed to be a slog where we were into deuce and I had my chances, more break points, yet found myself failing to convert these time and again. Meanwhile he broke me back for 2-1, then I played a another loose service game to get broken again, and what's that now? Before I knew it he had reeled off five straight games, bringing upon the famous 2-5 changeover. Missing just long a bit too often, but wanting to keep things blue and incognito, I yanked out Ol' Blue for the precision. But we each then held, so I was a set down and with work to do...

Next set? Rinse and repeat: 2-0 up, then suddenly 2-3 down a break. The margins had flipped to the other extreme: my backhand down the line found the tape a few frustrating times, and this is usually my money shot, going down the line with either a flatter backhand for the winner attempt, or a low chip and charge into the net. Ach. This was so dumb. And on that 2-3 changeover, finally I said screw it with the Blue theme and reached for the burgundy parachute.

The Prestige 293.1 and its open pattern gave me that in-between: the control, but with added margin and spin, and a whippier tool, and in this growing grind-fest in the potholed mud I broke him back both immediately and then later for the set, 6-4. Figured we would play the Super to decide it, but he wanted to stop there with five or six minutes left in our time. Granted the accepted play is to always stop with five minutes left to sweep up for the next group, but it seemed pretty clear no one was coming, it was the end of the night, so for sure we could have played it out. However, no worries, playing a full third some other day is probably the fairest and for the best, in the end.

So yet again: I dabble with the newbies, but end up with one of my two Most Trusteds (Prestige and Fedora). Good player, and truly a fun battle. I suppose going from a 107 Thunderbat down to a 95 PT was a bit kamikaze, but it's all in good MSF Season fun and I ended up where I will likely always end up, the Prestige and Fedora, my Goldilocks Duo. This night reminds me of my exchange during yesterday's two-match affair against the Power Forehand dude who, early on in the second match, paused before serving and asked, "Did you change racquets?" My response: "Yep. I'm kind of an idiot." He nodded, and served.

Fedora has been in the mix for so long and the TGT has delighted as well for quite a while too, plus you are winning matches with both. Is it safe to say this ride is over and further racquet testing is a formality at this point?

It's a shame the guy would not play a 10 pt breaker to end it.
 

JGads

G.O.A.T.
Fedora has been in the mix for so long and the TGT has delighted as well for quite a while too, plus you are winning matches with both. Is it safe to say this ride is over and further racquet testing is a formality at this point?

It's a shame the guy would not play a 10 pt breaker to end it.
Basically, yes. I'll always have fun testing what different frames can be, and do or not do for my game, but it's clear at this point that if I have to play a match for my life, only two racquets would be in the bag. One or the other. I can't even choose which is best between the two. They're both amazing and just suit me.

And yeah, I was kind of surprised at the finish. We had the very last (and worst) court in this rather crappy place, other courts clearing out, it was all mostly quiet. It was more than clear nobody was coming to ours, so I said as much to him when suggesting we just play it out, but still he winced at this and I guess this was my momentum-hungry self talking while he was probably thinking the opposite: had just been broken for the set and won one of the last five games. But while I second guessed and pointed out the obvious, I also wasn't going to make a huge stink of it. It's fine. I feel pretty confident I'd have taken the breaker, given the momentum, but still those breakers can be such coin flips and a full third will be more fair, in the end. Plus, I actually look forward to playing this guy again. Super consistent, and we had some great points. So on we go. Yet another TBC.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
I enjoyed reading this post, and it caused me to reflect as well.

2 years ago a 6'4 Brazilian coach helped me rebuild my FH from the ground up. Grip, swingpath, everything. Today, my forehand is both bigger, heavier, and more consistent than it ever was previous to the rebuild.

Before, my shot tolerance was 3 - maybe, today it is closer to 10 and most points rarely get that high. I think the deep heavy ball to the ad side is a must for 4.5 and above tennis. You have to hit it, and you yourself must have the skill to defend against it.

I did play a 5.0 doctor about a year ago who had an RP caliber 1HBH who had unreal timing on the ad side. Any shape or pace of ball he could take off the bounce and hit Warwrinka frozen ropes wherever he wanted. I saw the next plateau of skill, and still work on climbing towards it.

As for rackets, I really look for frames that create as few "ball machine" balls as possible. I hate giving an opponent a ball that doesn't challenge them. Not enough, pace, spin, depth, etc just some watermelon to tee off on. So I look for frames that help with at least one of those attributes. Power is the dangerous one, because I can usually create enough of that on my own. So help with spin is what's left (hence the Dunlop SX300 Tour and Angell 16x19s).

The current focus while on court is trying to have more conservative placement targets so I can be more aggressive swinging the racket. Trying to do both usually ends in disappointment with a wide or long error.

Yes, the i/o FH to ad side was what a coach in Miami made me hit 30 times in a row before he even considered doing anything else. I miss that guy, he was awesome. He was like "your backhand defends, your FH wins". That's definitely my favorite shot. Of course when going against a top tier 1 handed hitter who knows that shot all too well, things get a little dicey. That is the next level for sure. A good one hander is IMO, a ferocious weapon that can hit very sharp angles.
 

emhtennis

Professional
The brand new Dunlop SX300 Tour arrived today. If Imgur ever plays ball again I'll upload photos. Cherry on top is that is what perfectly on spec (weight wise at least) 305g on the nose. Will string it with Grapplesnake Tour M8 tomorrow or Saturday morning for its maiden voyage. Oh, and there were also two dabs of silicone in the handle of this one as well.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
Margins, gents. The finest of little margins. We know this is tennis, we say and hear it all the time, but really my match and my 'holicing tonight was yet another illustration. To continue the two-day theme of throwing some of the other sticks into the science sauce, I gave this new fascination of mine, New Blue, the PT 690, the start today. New opponent who turned out to be a lot like me: Prestige man (Touch), consistency his jam. Fast (ok maybe not exactly me). Liked to work the point and get in. The setting was an atrocious clay hall with some potholes in the mud and bad lighting...

With New Blue (or Big Blue?) I broke him in a marathon opening game and then found myself up 2-0. Then had I think three break points for the double-break, but he held those off and held, and in that game and over the next several, I had so many key points where I sent the kill ball just barely long. Every one of his service games seemed to be a slog where we were into deuce and I had my chances, more break points, yet found myself failing to convert these time and again. Meanwhile he broke me back for 2-1, then I played a another loose service game to get broken again, and what's that now? Before I knew it he had reeled off five straight games, bringing upon the famous 2-5 changeover. Missing just long a bit too often, but wanting to keep things blue and incognito, I yanked out Ol' Blue for the precision. But we each then held, so I was a set down and with work to do...

Next set? Rinse and repeat: 2-0 up, then suddenly 2-3 down a break. The margins had flipped to the other extreme: my backhand down the line found the tape a few frustrating times, and this is usually my money shot, going down the line with either a flatter backhand for the winner attempt, or a low chip and charge into the net. Ach. This was so dumb. And on that 2-3 changeover, finally I said screw it with the Blue theme and reached for the burgundy parachute.

The Prestige 293.1 and its open pattern gave me that in-between: the control, but with added margin and spin, and a whippier tool, and in this growing grind-fest in the potholed mud I broke him back both immediately and then later for the set, 6-4. Figured we would play the Super to decide it, but he wanted to stop there with five or six minutes left in our time. Granted the accepted play is to always stop with five minutes left to sweep up for the next group, but it seemed pretty clear no one was coming, it was the end of the night, so for sure we could have played it out. However, no worries, playing a full third some other day is probably the fairest and for the best, in the end.

So yet again: I dabble with the newbies, but end up with one of my two Most Trusteds (Prestige and Fedora). Good player, and truly a fun battle. I suppose going from a 107 Thunderbat down to a 95 PT was a bit kamikaze, but it's all in good MSF Season fun and I ended up where I will likely always end up, the Prestige and Fedora, my Goldilocks Duo. This night reminds me of my exchange during yesterday's two-match affair against the Power Forehand dude who, early on in the second match, paused before serving and asked, "Did you change racquets?" My response: "Yep. I'm kind of an idiot." He nodded, and served.
Whatever became of Peter and Paul? They were the gateway frames for all that has followed if I recall, but I've lost touch.

So 293.1 and 351.1 are actually retail molds/paint, correct? But the pro stocks have magic layups? Is that how this works? Lighter hairpins, silicone, etc.? And change that decimal to .2, and it's the 18x20? I've chosen to ignore the majority of this pro stock renaissance, but I have to admit in my own limited experience with the Almagro pro stocks, the magic is real. Almost a paradox. They were lighter and therefore swung easier than the retails but were somehow more stable and very customizable--with a feel as smooth as silk, at least the Volkls. As I often say, I live with the regret. That said, the pro stock game seems more realistic for those of you in Europe.

But that's where I'm getting confused because you and RP are going back and forth on the directness of the 351.1, which I've gathered is the Radical 360+ mold, but it almost sounds like its layup as well. I liked that retail stick a lot, but it was a little donky for me. Ironically, that's the type of frame I like most at net, a lot like the V-Cell 10 320 I essentially inherited--amazing frame on stick volleys and touch shots but a little underwhelming everywhere else, and firm and direct.

I'm content with my poor man's pro stocks (Tengos), even if the LeGads.2 is endangered and grommets even more scarce. The search is part of the thrill I guess.
 

Fed Kennedy

Legend
Margins, gents. The finest of little margins. We know this is tennis, we say and hear it all the time, but really my match and my 'holicing tonight was yet another illustration. To continue the two-day theme of throwing some of the other sticks into the science sauce, I gave this new fascination of mine, New Blue, the PT 690, the start today. New opponent who turned out to be a lot like me: Prestige man (Touch), consistency his jam. Fast (ok maybe not exactly me). Liked to work the point and get in. The setting was an atrocious clay hall with some potholes in the mud and bad lighting...

With New Blue (or Big Blue?) I broke him in a marathon opening game and then found myself up 2-0. Then had I think three break points for the double-break, but he held those off and held, and in that game and over the next several, I had so many key points where I sent the kill ball just barely long. Every one of his service games seemed to be a slog where we were into deuce and I had my chances, more break points, yet found myself failing to convert these time and again. Meanwhile he broke me back for 2-1, then I played a another loose service game to get broken again, and what's that now? Before I knew it he had reeled off five straight games, bringing upon the famous 2-5 changeover. Missing just long a bit too often, but wanting to keep things blue and incognito, I yanked out Ol' Blue for the precision. But we each then held, so I was a set down and with work to do...

Next set? Rinse and repeat: 2-0 up, then suddenly 2-3 down a break. The margins had flipped to the other extreme: my backhand down the line found the tape a few frustrating times, and this is usually my money shot, going down the line with either a flatter backhand for the winner attempt, or a low chip and charge into the net. Ach. This was so dumb. And on that 2-3 changeover, finally I said screw it with the Blue theme and reached for the burgundy parachute.

The Prestige 293.1 and its open pattern gave me that in-between: the control, but with added margin and spin, and a whippier tool, and in this growing grind-fest in the potholed mud I broke him back both immediately and then later for the set, 6-4. Figured we would play the Super to decide it, but he wanted to stop there with five or six minutes left in our time. Granted the accepted play is to always stop with five minutes left to sweep up for the next group, but it seemed pretty clear no one was coming, it was the end of the night, so for sure we could have played it out. However, no worries, playing a full third some other day is probably the fairest and for the best, in the end.

So yet again: I dabble with the newbies, but end up with one of my two Most Trusteds (Prestige and Fedora). Good player, and truly a fun battle. I suppose going from a 107 Thunderbat down to a 95 PT was a bit kamikaze, but it's all in good MSF Season fun and I ended up where I will likely always end up, the Prestige and Fedora, my Goldilocks Duo. This night reminds me of my exchange during yesterday's two-match affair against the Power Forehand dude who, early on in the second match, paused before serving and asked, "Did you change racquets?" My response: "Yep. I'm kind of an idiot." He nodded, and served.
Similar train of thought running through my head. Slim margins. The tape.

Thinking about tweening but I’m backing off.

Just pulled 2 16x19 V7 Blade over the transom.
 

am1899

Legend
Strung up the BP yesterday with BK 1.23. Had a light hit with a buddy of mine. Man. This thing feels GOOD. An hour after our hit i had a 9.0 mixed makeup match to play at a different club. So I ran over there. Felt like starting with the BP was the right move. And was it ever. We lost 2 games. Our opponents looked like someone shot their dog. I suspect Tengo and EZ’s have a lot of rest in their future.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
Strung up the BP yesterday with BK 1.23. Had a light hit with a buddy of mine. Man. This thing feels GOOD. An hour after our hit i had a 9.0 mixed makeup match to play at a different club. So I ran over there. Felt like starting with the BP was the right move. And was it ever. We lost 2 games. Our opponents looked like someone shot their dog. I suspect Tengo and EZ’s have a lot of rest in their future.

Yes I am bringing my BP #1 back out to battle with the Fx500. I just strung it up with 1.20 MSV Focus Hex soft and the SW dropped to 329. Balance is now 5 pts HL. My kind of specs for this frame, brings it closer to my tweeners. 1.20 poly may be the way with this racquet. I was using 1.23 DF, but this slims it down even more.
 

am1899

Legend
Yes I am bringing my BP #1 back out to battle with the Fx500. I just strung it up with 1.20 MSV Focus Hex soft and the SW dropped to 329. Balance is now 5 pts HL. My kind of specs for this frame, brings it closer to my tweeners. 1.20 poly may be the way with this racquet. I was using 1.23 DF, but this slims it down even more.

I might try HG 1.15 in it just for giggles. I used to love that string, and I imagine it would also lighten the head just a smidge.

Also on the list to try:

ALU
BB mains/ALU crosses
Gut mains/poly cross
S7T

Also have a couple new Luxilon sets to try out for work:

Eco Power
Element Soft IR
 

Addxyz

Hall of Fame
I might try HG 1.15 in it just for giggles. I used to love that string, and I imagine it would also lighten the head just a smidge.

Also on the list to try:

ALU
BB mains/ALU crosses
Gut mains/poly cross
S7T

Also have a couple new Luxilon sets to try out for work:

Eco Power
Element Soft IR
I've tried Confidential 1.15 in it and it's definitely one of the lighter string. It does notch really fast though in the BP...
 

Znak

Hall of Fame
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Holic tendencies taking over, doing some testing.
 

Richard Pioline

Hall of Fame
PT and 293.1 were scienced against the 351.1 yesternight.
I had good feel with both but the sting was missing somehow, especially with the 293.1 weirdly. I switched over to the 351.1 CF and I am home. Yes, unbelievable, but these old CF strings even pocketed the ball. I love me some old strings! In all seriousness, I never really felt that strings go dead and I can't play them anymore. I usually play them until they break (ALU was an exception).
But yeah, back to the RadRadRad! I felt like anything goes, I could put the balls anywhere I wanted, any height and any kind of spin. I feel like I am so advanced into the 351.1 already, I can't go back, and I surely do not want to. I am actually really, really happy to get this clarity after all this sciencing. Maybe I will be back to it in some months, but for now, I will ban the other sticks to the attic, and walk with WU Tang/erine. I should've just done what I said in the beginning of the year, just play with this for a year. I was so smart back then!
I can't fault this dagger anywhere on court, but serves and backhands are confident and just lights out! Also, I was most calm, confident and creative on court with it!
I won't even be trying any strings, that is the end of science for me for some time. Those team league matches are going to be amazing, especially my team mates are going to have incredible matches. I will have to see who actually plays at 5 or 6, but 1 - 3 will be amazing! So, responsibility will be on me to win my matches! Usually, there are LK3-9 players coming my way there.
TGT351.1 CF til Tuesday!!!!
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
The traffic cone. Man what a fun frame but is it an msf? Felt nice but a bit hollow and harsh outside of the sweetspot. Or is the 351.1 an earlier radical mp, like an ig or youtek? I love the old radicals so much, such an awesome feel.
 
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