Djoker: Nadal was Confused

[OddJack]

He says he wants to try acting, loves movies and wants to play in one.

So I guess pretty soon we will see the new Batman movie starring Novak Djoker.


Anyways, he has offered some analysis of his fourth set win, saying Nadal was confused:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ill-has-more-to-prove/articleshow/9975054.cms

His speed of serve was lower, but the real reason is that Nadal was spent by then. He gave his all to win the 3rd and after that the tank was empty.

This is great highlites here, just look who is doing the running.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqfYHP-OZRU

Some say the time out changed the momentum and BS like that. It was a brilliant move by Djoker no doubt, he got some rest and regrouped, but I do not agree that it affected Nadal in anyway.

 

[Atherton2003]

It was the worst show of gamemanship in a Grand Slam I ever saw. It took all the momentum away from Nadal after he won the 3rd set. He took not only 1, but 2 medical time outs. If Fed or Nadal had done that to Djokovic, everyone would have complained. Yes, Nadal had the Petzner incident - but this is the US Open. I don't blame Djokovic, I blame tennis for not tightening the rules - this crap should not happen at all.

 

[Bryan Swartz]

He only took one MTO.

Regardless, I'll bite -- what changes to the rules would you suggest?

 

[Atherton2003]

He took 2 time-outs.....however, one was on a changeover, so I guess it didn't affect the normal time. The next medical timeout was before Nadal served and took at least 10 minutes. He took all kinds of pills and was rubbed down and then comes out and suddenly the pain is gone. Come on...that was the best actor award if I ever saw one. The rules need to be tightened. Sometimes they allow players to have the medical time out, other times they have to wait, and other times a player i denied altogether. A policy needs to be set in place and adhered to as to what types of injuries a medical time out can be used for, for how long, and perhaps limit the medical time outs to 1 time per match and that's it. Whatever is decided upon, it should be standardized for every match and every player.....to me, Djokovic should not have been granted a full medical time out at that point in the match - it was obvious it was gamesmanship. Djokovic was tired, Nadal had just gotten momentum after winning a set...and he should not have been allowed to take the MTO.....this is the US Open - let's preserve the integrity of it and have both players play it out and may the best man win - without any type of gamesmanship involved. I'm not saying Djkovic wouldn't have won anyway, but this MTO was uncalled for and should not have been allowed under any circumstances. Why Nadal stood there like an idiot and didn't complain is beyone me.

 

[OddJack]

It was the worst show of gamemanship in a Grand Slam I ever saw. It took all the momentum away from Nadal after he won the 3rd set. He took not only 1, but 2 medical time outs. If Fed or Nadal had done that to Djokovic, everyone would have complained. Yes, Nadal had the Petzner incident - but this is the US Open. I don't blame Djokovic, I blame tennis for not tightening the rules - this crap should not happen at all.

The first one was within the changeover time, not MTO.

And, as the other poster pointed out, all within rules. If you are a Nadal fan tell me how many times has he done it himself. Dont remember? ask Del Potro.

 

[Atherton2003]

Have Nadal or Fed ever done that in a Grand Slam final? I don't think so. Yes, I've seen Nadal do that on several occassions, and I don't agree with it at all. I don't like gamesmanship by any player, any time, but especially not in the Finals of a Grand Slam tournament. To me, it taints Djokovic's victory - and I'd think Djokovic wouldn't want to do that cause he knows people will complain about that sort of thing. For me, it just didn't seem right and he did it right after Nadal had won that set. I know it's within the rules, but as stated, I think the rules need to be tightened to prevent this type of thing from happening. At least tighten the rules for Grand Slams, if nothing else.

 

[spiderman123]

Have Nadal or Fed ever done that in a Grand Slam final? I don't think so.

Missed the FO Final'11, didn't you?

 

[Atherton2003]

what happened then? Please explain. If Nadal did it, then shame on him - or any player that uses gamesmanship. I just don't agree with it.

 

[drakulie]

It was the worst show of gamemanship in a Grand Slam I ever saw. It took all the momentum away from Nadal after he won the 3rd set. He took not only 1, but 2 medical time outs. If Fed or Nadal had done that to Djokovic, everyone would have complained. Yes, Nadal had the Petzner incident - but this is the US Open. I don't blame Djokovic, I blame tennis for not tightening the rules - this crap should not happen at all.

With all the time waisting, and butt picking between points, I would say nadal took the equivalent of about 100 MTOS.

regardless, Nadal has a long history of taking MTO's when momentum is shifting away from him. What comes around goes around.

 

[OddJack]

Have Nadal or Fed ever done that in a Grand Slam final? I don't think so. Yes, I've seen Nadal do that on several occassions, and I don't agree with it at all. I don't like gamesmanship by any player, any time, but especially not in the Finals of a Grand Slam tournament. To me, it taints Djokovic's victory - and I'd think Djokovic wouldn't want to do that cause he knows people will complain about that sort of thing. For me, it just didn't seem right and he did it right after Nadal had won that set. I know it's within the rules, but as stated, I think the rules need to be tightened to prevent this type of thing from happening. At least tighten the rules for Grand Slams, if nothing else.

Oh Comon, please dont mix Rodge here with Nadal. Nadal and Rodge are not even comparable when it comes to retirement or MTOs.

What you say is like it's ok if it's not final, but if it's final then MTO is booboo.
Dont be hypocrite, Nadal has done it and it did not affect him...
anyways, gamesmanship or not, Djoker was 2 to one up and it was Nadal who looked he cannot run anymore...Did you see the last points? he didnt even go after the balls anymore

 

[Atherton2003]

Years ago, I've never seen stuff like this happening. In any case, I don't give Djokovic a pass on his fake medical problem...and I certainly don't give Nadal or any other player a pass for doing the same thing. Years ago, players played the game, they didn't resort to these tactics to win. Basically if a player was injured, they had to either default or continue to play as best they could.

 

[OddJack]

Its more physcial than years ago, people get more injuries

 

[Atherton2003]

Yes, Nadal was spent and couldn't run anymore - but at least he didn't take a fake medical timeout to upset the rhythm of Djokovic. If Nadal took a medical time out in the 4th set, would you be complaining and saying it's gamemanship, but what Djokovic did was okay?

 

[OddJack]

Nobody knows for sure if it was fake, only he knows. But his serve speed suggests he was favoring his back a lil bit

 

[Atherton2003]

I like a match fair and square - no funny business - that's all I'm saying....it ruins the game when players "act" and "cheat"....yes, it's within the rules, but you'd never see a guy like Fed ever pull this kind of stuff. Your points are well taken - but I like to enjoy tennis when everyone plays on equal level and no funny business going on. Let the better man win - and yes, I think Djokovic would most likely have won, but didn't care for his medical timeout. I didn't like his retiring from the Murray match with a fake shoulder injury either during the last tournament.

 

[Atherton2003]

Djokovic used to retire because of sore throats and hang nails. I give him credit for improving his game - he has come a long way...but he doesn't need to resort to gamesmanship - he is a great player on his own accord - I'd like to see him finish matches without controversy.

 

[Atherton2003]

have a nice evening

 

[Clarky21]

what happened then? Please explain. If Nadal did it, then shame on him - or any player that uses gamesmanship. I just don't agree with it.

Nadal did not take an mto during the RG final this year. All he did was ask the trainer on the changeover to cut some extra tape off of his foot. It also did not effect Roger since he had a set point after that,and blew it by trying to be too cute with a dropshot. What Nadal did was not even in the same realm as what Cvac pulled yesterday.

 

[drakulie]

I like a match fair and square - no funny business - that's all I'm saying....it ruins the game when players "act" and "cheat"....

You must not like Nadal much.

 

[Talker]

Though Fed is very good in this area of gamemanship I did see one time that I was questioning his honesty. A match against Davydenko, no MTO but did take a bathroom break(AO10).

Not too bad for all these years he's been playing.

 

[Recon]

regardless, Nadal has a long history of taking MTO's when momentum is shifting away from him. What comes around goes around.

Quoted for truth. Someone has the balls to do it back to him. & I don't get it, when djoko did it he was up a set. Unlike when Nadal does it, hes down two sets down a break then decides his left testicle hurts, I mean...Knees. Yeah. Right.

 

[DRII]

It was the worst show of gamemanship in a Grand Slam I ever saw. It took all the momentum away from Nadal after he won the 3rd set. He took not only 1, but 2 medical time outs. If Fed or Nadal had done that to Djokovic, everyone would have complained. Yes, Nadal had the Petzner incident - but this is the US Open. I don't blame Djokovic, I blame tennis for not tightening the rules - this crap should not happen at all.

You're absolutely right, and any honest person would agree with you!

Nole showed gamesmanship in the semis vs Federer and it was blatant in the final vs Nadal.

 

[Agassi-Fan]

Even though Novak took a medical time out...it still gave Rafa time to regroup and think about how he is going to change the momentum of the match...especially right after he just won the third set in a tie break.

The time out also gave Rafa a chance to rest his knees and legs after allllll the running he had to endure!

 

[crocon]

Rafa takes a medical time out and shows no sign of injury = Nadal is injured

Djokovic takes one then serves 100 mph first serves the rest of the match and moves considerably slower = gamesmanship

 

[DRII]

Quoted for truth. Someone has the balls to do it back to him. & I don't get it, when djoko did it he was up a set. Unlike when Nadal does it, hes down two sets down a break then decides his left testicle hurts, I mean...Knees. Yeah. Right.

Present an actual example, otherwise you just spewing drivel!

Particularly, before his opponents serve! Nole knew exactly what he was doing...

 

[drakulie]

Quoted for truth. Someone has the balls to do it back to him. & I don't get it, when djoko did it he was up a set. Unlike when Nadal does it, hes down two sets down a break then decides his left testicle hurts, I mean...Knees. Yeah. Right.

LOL.............. well put.

 

[OddJack]

hmmm

Nobody talks about the serve speed?

Why did it slow down that much then??

 

[DRII]

Even though Novak took a medical time out...it still gave Rafa time to regroup and think about how he is going to change the momentum of the match...especially right after he just won the third set in a tie break.

The time out also gave Rafa a chance to rest his knees and legs after allllll the running he had to endure!

No, it gave Nadal time for his hams to tighten, which is exactly what happened!

 

[DRII]

hmmm

Nobody talks about the serve speed?

Why did it slow down that much then??

Perhaps acting!

Anyway, the slower serve was more effective against Nadal.

The point is, you should not take a MTO unless necessary, and it shouldn't have been done before your opponents serve game...

 

[DRII]

Rafa takes a medical time out and shows no sign of injury = Nadal is injured

Djokovic takes one then serves 100 mph first serves the rest of the match and moves considerably slower = gamesmanship

He was not moving slower, he was just as fast as in the beginning of the match! Only timed he slowed was in between points, not during them!

 

[jokinla]

Djokovic used to retire because of sore throats and hang nails. I give him credit for improving his game - he has come a long way...but he doesn't need to resort to gamesmanship - he is a great player on his own accord - I'd like to see him finish matches without controversy.

You forgot allergies, that was a great retirement, lol.

 

[tennis_pro]

Have Nadal or Fed ever done that in a Grand Slam final? I don't think so. Yes, I've seen Nadal do that on several occassions, and I don't agree with it at all. I don't like gamesmanship by any player, any time, but especially not in the Finals of a Grand Slam tournament. To me, it taints Djokovic's victory - and I'd think Djokovic wouldn't want to do that cause he knows people will complain about that sort of thing. For me, it just didn't seem right and he did it right after Nadal had won that set. I know it's within the rules, but as stated, I think the rules need to be tightened to prevent this type of thing from happening. At least tighten the rules for Grand Slams, if nothing else.

Ok, here are the 3 reasons why you don't know crap:

1) Djokovic didn't hit one serve faster than 110 m/h in the 4th set because of back pain. He went more for his shots instead and it payed off
2) Nadal was spent physically, when you lose to a guy 5 times in a row and you're down 0-2 in another match the only thing you can do is to play your absolute best and HOPE that Djokovic wilts. Nadal's 200 % was enough to take one set off Djokovic, a set he still should've lost as Djokovic was twice up a break and then served for the match at 6-5.
3) Nadal is the last man on earth who would be affected by a medical time-out. He's the one usually taking it when down in sets/in the match so that his opponents lose rythm. I've seen him do it several times, against Haase, Peztschner, Del Potro just on top of my head.

 

[tennis_pro]

hmmm

Nobody talks about the serve speed?

Why did it slow down that much then??

He did it on purpose so that everyone thought it was a legit injury.

 

[ViscaB]

I didn't mind the MTO except for the timing. He should have taken it after the 3rd set. It's not as if he suddenly got injured.

 

[ViscaB]

Perhaps acting!

Anyway, the slower serve was more effective against Nadal.

The point is, you should not take a MTO unless necessary, and it shouldn't have been done before your opponents serve game...

They were both spent. Nadal's serve speed kept going down as well.

 

[celoft]

Nole is outnadaling Nadal this year. Funny ****.

 

[drakulie]

Nole is outnadaling Nadal this year. Funny ****.

He needs to get better at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4jUGufaJek

 

[Manus Domini]

I like a match fair and square - no funny business - that's all I'm saying....it ruins the game when players "act" and "cheat"....yes, it's within the rules, but you'd never see a guy like Fed ever pull this kind of stuff. Your points are well taken - but I like to enjoy tennis when everyone plays on equal level and no funny business going on. Let the better man win - and yes, I think Djokovic would most likely have won, but didn't care for his medical timeout. I didn't like his retiring from the Murray match with a fake shoulder injury either during the last tournament.

Last I checked, someone wouldn't just drop his serve speed purposefully to make an MTO sound good...

 

[CDestroyer]

Whats sad is that in the 4th set Novak rolls in 90 - 100 mph serves and still hands the butt sniffer a breadstick.

Absolute ownage.

 

[OneMoreShot]

Yes, Nadal was spent and couldn't run anymore - but at least he didn't take a fake medical timeout to upset the rhythm of Djokovic. If Nadal took a medical time out in the 4th set, would you be complaining and saying it's gamemanship, but what Djokovic did was okay?

Did you even watch the match? Djokovic was not serving anywhere near normal. It was all arm and no arch of the back. He let an easy overhead bounce and played a forehand. I doubt he had some mischievious plan that well thought out to cover that his timeout was actually a fake.

 

[Sentinel]

He says he wants to try acting, loves movies and wants to play in one.

So I guess pretty soon we will see the new Batman movie starring Novak Djoker.


Anyways, he has offered some analysis of his fourth set win, saying Nadal was confused:

SURE AS HECK DOESN'T LOOK CONFUSED to me.