Djokovic breaks free from a group of greats in slam wins

[mattosgrant]

Not optimistic about Murray at the moment. Stan is currently a proven threat. As for Nishikori, frankly I think he is a bit over-hyped.

You are the Djokovic2011 of Murray fans though. You are overly pesstimistic on Murray by nature it seems. He will win another slam minimum, quite possibly multiple. You have my word.

I agree Nishikori is overhyped but I still see him getting atleast 1 slam at some point. Of course I could be totally wrong. If he never wins one, a huge dissapointment.

I would be surprised if Wawrinka doesnt win another, as he seems to be able to hit these great peaks at whim. He will hit another and will likely lead to another slam title at some point. With his burgeoning confidence I cant see him not winning another, possibly multiple.

 

[Mainad]

You are the Djokovic2011 of Murray fans though. You are overly pesstimistic on Murray by nature it seems. He will win another slam minimum, quite possibly multiple. You have my word.

I think I should warn you that I'm going to hold you to that!

 

[RF-18]

He has had his 2nd multi slam year, and has played 3 out 3 slam finals this year. If he manages another final at USO, he is the only one along with Laver and Federer to reach all the 4 GS finals in a calender year.

 

[Fiji]

Nole won Wimbledon but somebody else will win the USO.

Every year there is a different winner since 2011

Nole
Murray
Nadal
Cilic
Nishikori, etc

Nole's dismal record in finals at the USO will make this happen. 1-4 Soon to be 1-5

Almost as hilarious as his 0-4 in Cincy finals.

 

[Fiji]

The tennis world looks at mostly slams. You are in the minority. Djokovic has some work to do to catch Nadal. Slams don't grow on trees and five/six slams are a lot. If Djokovic gets to 12 or 13 slams and Nadal doesn't win any more, then we can start talking.

We don't know what is going to happen. Can Nadal make any sort of comeback? Can Murray ever beat Djokovic again? Will a younger guy finally step up? Impossible to say.

Nole needs 15 majors to eclipse nadal in the same way the Spaniard needs 18 to eclipse Roger.

 

[cc0509]

Nole needs 15 majors to eclipse nadal in the same way the Spaniard needs 18 to eclipse Roger.

He would need at least 14 to equal Nadal's slam count imo. The other stats are used as tie-breakers when the slam count is the same.

Now we have to listen to Djokofiends go on and on about Djokovic as if he is the Second Coming until his next slam loss.

 

[GabeT]

Nole won Wimbledon but somebody else will win the USO.

Every year there is a different winner since 2011

Nole
Murray
Nadal
Cilic
Nishikori, etc

Nole's dismal record in finals at the USO will make this happen. 1-4 Soon to be 1-5

Almost as hilarious as his 0-4 in Cincy finals.

Are you still around? Would have thought you'd give up predicting tennis results by now.

 

[GabeT]

Nadal was definitely best in 2013. Nearly nobody agrees with the ITF in that case, and the ITF were the only ones who picked Djokovic for that year.

Hmm.. So you know more than the ITF. OK.

 

[Bartelby]

The USO plus two a year over the next two years and one after that would make a prediction of 15 a reasonable one, if perhaps the most to be expected. 13 at the very least.

 

[Djokovic2011]

He would need at least 14 to equal Nadal's slam count imo. The other stats are used as tie-breakers when the slam count is the same.

Now we have to listen to Djokofiends go on and on about Djokovic as if he is the Second Coming until his next slam loss.

"He would need at least 14 to equal Nadal's slam count". Well duh, you dont say! As for "Djokofiends", you stay classy ccO.

 

[MichaelNadal]

He would need at least 14 to equal Nadal's slam count imo. The other stats are used as tie-breakers when the slam count is the same.

Now we have to listen to Djokofiends go on and on about Djokovic as if he is the Second Coming until his next slam loss.

Oh it's coming

 

[cc0509]

"He would need at least 14 to equal Nadal's slam count". Well duh, you dont say! As for "Djokofiends", you stay classy ccO.

What more do you want me to do? I said Djokovic was the superior player today and deserved the win. Does that mean I have to read all of these threads popping up about Djokovic winning every title for the next 20 years from crazed fans?

 

[Djokovic2011]

What more do you want me to do? I said Djokovic was the superior player today and deserved the win. Does that mean I have to read all of these threads popping up about Djokovic winning every title for the next 20 years from crazed fans?

How do you know that they're all Djokovic fans? Besides, members from all fanbases do it when their fave has just won a big title. The only reason you're being salty is because the threads being created are focussing on a player you dislike.

 

[cc0509]

How do you know that they're all Djokovic fans? Besides, members from all fanbases do it when their fave has just won a big title. The only reason you're being salty is because the threads being created are focussing on a player you dislike.

Who else would do it? Maybe his brother or father?

I am not salty because it is Djokovic. I HATE when 700 reactionary threads are made after a great player wins a title or loses one. Novak is going to win the CYGS twice, Novak is never going to win a slam again, Nadal is finished for good, Federer is finished for good, Murray is finished for good, etc.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Who else would do it? Maybe his brother or father?

I am not salty because it is Djokovic. I HATE when 700 reactionary threads are made after a great player wins a title or loses one. Novak is going to win the CYGS twice, Novak is never going to win a slam again, Nadal is finished for good, Federer is finished for good, Murray is finished for good, etc.

Well if that's the case then maybe you should take some time out from the forum as soon as a slam tournament comes to a close. Just saying.

 

[cc0509]

Well if that's the case then maybe you should take some time out from the forum as soon as a slam tournament comes to a close. Just saying.

The overreaction is immature IMO because there are a lot of very young kids on this forum who don't seem to know much about tennis.

 

[cc0509]

Oh it's coming

Promise?

 

[MichaelNadal]

Promise?

The one saving grace of decline is that it happens to everyone. My popcorn is ready.

 

[cc0509]

The one saving grace of decline is that it happens to everyone. My popcorn is ready.

 

[Bartelby]

So who will the Nadalistas support next?

 

[Djokovic2011]

Oh it's coming

Novak's gonna be a tier 1 great MN. That's just something you're gonna have to deal with.

 

[moonballs]

I think djokovic has two more great years of good tennis. Who will stop him? Remanso to be seen.

RG and AO, wawrinka
Wimbledon, Fed and Murray
USO, the field.

But he will probably the favorite for all the slams.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Novak's gonna be a tier 1 great MN. That's just something you're gonna have to deal with.

Again, no it isn't. My autoimmune condition is something I have to "deal with". Sometimes I can't believe you're over 30 You will however have to "deal with" me when your boy starts declining.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Again, no it isn't. My autoimmune condition is something I have to "deal with". Sometimes I can't believe you're over 30 You will however have to "deal with" me when your boy starts declining.

And how sad it is that you just can't wait for that day to arrive, all because your boy has hit the skids. Not that I care anyway, I'm still too happy right now to let the haters affect me.

 

[cc0509]

Novak's gonna be a tier 1 great MN. That's just something you're gonna have to deal with.

A day ago you were saying Novak wouldn't get to double digits and that Federer would clobber him at Wimbledon. At the USO you will be back to your Clarky ways predicting Novak will lose in every round.

 

[Djokovic2011]

A day ago you were saying Novak wouldn't get to double digits and that Federer would clobber him at Wimbledon. At the USO you will be back to your Clarky ways predicting Novak will lose in every round.

Nah, after the resilience Novak showed at this year's Wimbledon I'm definitely gonna start believing in him more. What a fighter he is!

 

[cc0509]

Nah, after the resilience Novak showed at this year's Wimbledon I'm definitely gonna start believing in him more. What a fighter he is!

Ha ha. I wish I could believe you. You will be back to "Clarkying" soon.

Novak is a very good fighter, I agree.

 

[Tiger8]

And how sad it is that you just can't wait for that day to arrive, all because your boy has hit the skids. Not that I care anyway, I'm still too happy right now to let the haters affect me.

I find this behaviour kind of weird tbh, and it's not only from that poster. Why would anyone want to wait for the day a player starts declining? It seems so petty, I like Djokovic but I think it's a shame that Nadal has fallen off so much because his rivalry with Djokovic generates great tennis and drama. I for one would never wish something negative on a player and have the mindset of just waiting for a player to decline so I can chirp him and his fans. Just my opinion I guess.

 

[Laniarty]

I have a feeling Djoker's decline will happen as swiftly as Nadal's. You can't keep up that level of defensive tennis for long into your 30's imho.

 

[mattosgrant]

Hmm.. So you know more than the ITF. OK.

Nadal was everyones pick of Player of the Year except the ITF. Unlike Kvitova in 2011 where every player of the year went to her despite Wozniacki's YE#1. Nobody thinks of Djokovic as the best player of that particular year despite the controversial ITF award (well other than maybe a few of his crazy fans like you, but generally nobody).

 

[mattosgrant]

I have a feeling Djoker's decline will happen as swiftly as Nadal's. You can't keep up that level of defensive tennis for long into your 30's imho.

Djokovic is very good in offense and defense (unlike Nadal, although he is capable of offense, doesnt bring it consistently like Djokovic, and doesnt have an excellent serve like the Djoker). I think he will be fine even when he loses some speed. Also he seems almost immune to the effects of aging so far. His body is so flexible, wirey, limber, and not prone to any sort of injuries and wear.

 

[zep]

Nadal was everyones pick of Player of the Year except the ITF. Unlike Kvitova in 2011 where every player of the year went to her despite Wozniacki's YE#1. Nobody thinks of Djokovic as the best player of that particular year despite the controversial ITF award (well other than maybe a few of his crazy fans like you, but generally nobody).

That is correct, Nadal had more slams, more masters, more points and was definitely more dominant when it mattered. He even beat Djokovic both times they met in slams.The only thing that was favoring Djokovic was that he was more consistent in the slams and had the WTF title (Nadal was the runner up), Nadal had one absence and one R1 in slams. But consistency is not over slam wins IMO. It was a controversial decision and I think it was the wrong one.

 

[GabeT]

Nadal was everyones pick of Player of the Year except the ITF. Unlike Kvitova in 2011 where every player of the year went to her despite Wozniacki's YE#1. Nobody thinks of Djokovic as the best player of that particular year despite the controversial ITF award (well other than maybe a few of his crazy fans like you, but generally nobody).

You don't make much sense, do you? You admit that the ITF named Nole Champion one the Year in 2013 but then you tell me no one other than myself believes that.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Novaks' decline may be coming, no one can win forever, but he is going to dish a lot of pain to his wellwishers before then. He just swung a massive right hook, and he's going to throw a few more before he goes down.

 

[mattosgrant]

That is correct, Nadal had more slams, more masters, more points and was definitely more dominant when it mattered. He even beat Djokovic both times they met in slams.The only thing that was favoring Djokovic was that he was more consistent in the slams and had the WTF title (Nadal was the runner up), Nadal had one absence and one R1 in slams. But consistency is not over slam wins IMO. It was a controversial decision and I think it was the wrong one.

ITF has their own criteria of a unique points system I have heard. So if Djokovic met that best then I am fine with him getting their award. It simply means nothing to who is recognized as the best player of that year which both in the official rankings, any other Player of Year awards, and virtually all experts and fans, was Nadal. That is all.

 

[Down_the_line]

Nole won Wimbledon but somebody else will win the USO.

Every year there is a different winner since 2011

Nole
Murray
Nadal
Cilic
Nishikori, etc

Nole's dismal record in finals at the USO will make this happen. 1-4 Soon to be 1-5

Almost as hilarious as his 0-4 in Cincy finals.

Just like we were supposed to get a surprise Wimbledon champion, right?

The astrology stuff is BS man, just give it up. It always amazes me that people who believe in this stuff don't turn away from it when it continually gets proven wrong. You can't possibly believe in something that's so consistently and embarrassingly inaccurate, can you?

 

[Krish872007]

Lol, don't give us that crap about there being "a different US Open winner every year since 2011". Wimbledon had a different winner every year since 2007... until THIS year. If you're going to use some astrology or "signs" to make predictions, don't come up with these kind of statements relating to the past. Stick with the usual "conjuct Jupiter, Midheaven, etc" story.

 

[Smasher08]

I think you could very well be right. If he continues playing at this level, who is going to stop him (apart from an on-fire Wawrinka)?

Time. He's probably got another year before he declines enough to let the next top dog through.

In the top tier of touring pros, even two tenths of a second can probably make a huge difference.

 

[Smasher08]

How is Nadal too far? In slams?

Novak has more weeks at number one, will have more year ends at number one. He is on course to take the Masters record away from Rafa, with the way he is mopping up those events. He has more WTFs. The H2H is reduced to 23-21 in favor of Rafa, but the way it is going, Novak will take a stranglehold on that also. Pete and Rafa have the same amount of slams, if Nole catches one, he catches both..of course I am assuming Rafa doesn't win anymore, and with the state of his play, I am not sure either way.

Here's the thing: I don't believe Nads will reach Djok or Fed much (if at all) before he retires next year. And as we all know, the Nads *after* spring/summer 2014 is very, very different from the Nads we saw before it.

 

[Smasher08]

When you've only had competition from a declining Federer for the past few years, yeah. Nadal wrecked him in 2013.

And then the Finnish passport wrecked Nadal.

 

[Gazelle]

What more do you want me to do? I said Djokovic was the superior player today and deserved the win. Does that mean I have to read all of these threads popping up about Djokovic winning every title for the next 20 years from crazed fans?

Ye, and those fiends are obsessed with wondering whether he's better than Agassi, Nadal, Federer or the Pope. A truly insecure lot.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Ye, and those fiends are obsessed with wondering whether he's better than Agassi, Nadal, Federer or the Pope. A truly insecure lot.

Funny how you still post on those "fiends'" threads though.

 

[Gazelle]

Funny how you still post on those "fiends'" threads though.

They are the only threads around here. Where else could I post? I have to post to train my English.

 

[KK Partizan]

Federer - top 3
Nadal - top 5
Djokovic - top 10

I'd like to think all their fans can be happy with such rankings.

 

[britam25]

And how sad it is that you just can't wait for that day to arrive, all because your boy has hit the skids. Not that I care anyway, I'm still too happy right now to let the haters affect me.

You'll have to excuse him, like you said, his boy has hit the skids and the's a tad bitter, lol...

 

[racquetreligion]

all 3 players mentioned at peak level = Nole is just gap filler.
Sure he is the best gap filler ever but it is what it is and his
record in GS finals shows that he is just there to hope the
other player plays bad.

I will have to agree best ever in ability at peak is Nadal and Fed
but at opposite ends of the scales in styles and surfaces.

Nole best Gap filler ever is not a bad career title at all!

 

[Djokovic2011]

all 3 players mentioned at peak level = Nole is just gap filler.
Sure he is the best gap filler ever but it is what it is and his
record in GS finals shows that he is just there to hope the
other player plays bad.

I will have to agree best ever in ability at peak is Nadal and Fed
but at opposite ends of the scales in styles and surfaces.

Nole best Gap filler ever is not a bad career title at all!

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

 

[3fees]

Djokovic, contrary to what has been said has more than 2 years left in winning slams .

3Fees

 

[racquetreligion]

The argument of the best ever player will reach new argument levels as Nole wins the 18th Slam.
as the usual filler between peak nads and Fed, Nole now faces the new smart phone, shopping mall educated gen so filler or not he has a chance at securing another 6-8 slams before he retires. Nads and Fed will be long gone and Murray will be like a regular pest to dispatch.

Nole is an awesome player no doubt but against peak Fed or Nads he will always be the gap filler.