BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Does that matter? Federer heard someone yell that he still loved him. Maybe no one has ever told you that they loved you so you don't understand how it feels?
Djokovic cried at awards ceremony for the same reason Federer did at '09 AO
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The-Champ
Legend
Ralph
Hall of Fame
About 5 minutes ago. I told him I did.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Some of the critics here (it would seem) have never tried hard to achieve anything that was worth crying over.Does that matter? Federer heard someone yell that he still loved him. Maybe no one has ever told you that they loved you so you don't understand how it feels?
In any case, for them it's really an issue of dissing whatever Fed (and Nole) do. If Ralph had wept that day in Fed's place, they would have made an angel out of him, and reported anyone who made fun of his crying. Crying would have become the new virtue and mark of humility, and Fed would have been called arrogant for never crying.
It's pointless, BP, kids will be kids.
The_Mental_Giant
Hall of Fame
For better or worse, I do believe that crying has become part of the modern game. Not that I'm shocked given the evolution of questionable player behaviors Post-Open Era. I guess someone has to cry. It wasn't always like that, FYI.
#AngiesLyst
The world is far more competitive nowadays than in the 70's , 80's or even 90's... the whole media.. tv broadcasting, newspaper, cable tv, etc.. gives a lot of pressure... people are even more pushed to succeed for the same reason.
Add to this that nowadays every match is so damn physical and takes like 4 hours on court to pass to the next round... If you look at grand slam matches in the 70's, 80's or even 90´s .. the players looked much more fractious when they lost the match... Today everybody is too much focused on being the best ever, breaking recors, etc... in the past people also loved to win... but there was more focus on the playing well for the love of the game and the show.. it doesnt matter anymore.. Now numbers seem to be the most important.. it doesnt matter how you play as long as you win ****load of grand slams and as soon as possible the media start writting you in the goat debate..
The_Mental_Giant
Hall of Fame
He loses hating against rafa (and recently djokovic).. I didnt see him getting too sad when he lost the USO final against delpo for example...
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Well Rafa had just dethroned him at Wimby and took #1, the tennis media were proclaiming a new king, etc, and Rafa came into that final as an underdog. It was a hard loss for Roger.
Expectation was high. And the shock sent by Wawrinka's flawless performance was huge. The trophy was so close to Novak, yet somehow he met an opponent who put up a GOAT performance in tennis history (Maybe exaggerated. or maybe not. Stan was a beast in the final.)
Those were tears in disbelief and helplessness... and he knew he deserved to lose. It's so difficult to take when the applause and ovation came as a consolation.
Those were tears in disbelief and helplessness... and he knew he deserved to lose. It's so difficult to take when the applause and ovation came as a consolation.
encylopedia
Professional
This is all you can come up with ? Attacking at a personal level since i touched a nerve ?
Why don't you go back and live in the 60's ? Comparing what Laver did and carrying that expectations as to how current players should emote is downright LOL.
Don't bother about my interest in players or the game . With or without Federer, I continue to watch every level from majors to challengers to futures.
Whatever floats your boat.
Sad....now - and it's weird how often I've seen this in dullard posters - you've resorted to unconsciouly parroting back what I had said - right down to specific phrases! lol
....but in all honesty, it does show me something about your intellect, and I am being to harsh. In all seriousness, I believe you're doing the best you can. Cheers to that.
As I already pointed out, the feeble accusations about being a Laver fanboy fell flat - it doesn't help to repeat them....so sad. You can - of course, insert countless names in Lavers place...in fact, I only mentioned his name specifically because even some younger posters have some awareness of what a sportsman he was, and his accomplishments. Of course, I specifically talked about the all the other greats of old in the same posts, so feel free to substitute: Ashe, Smith, Newcombe, Emerson, Rosewall, Sampras, Edberg, Borg, and any of dozens of others who conducted themselves similarly.
Or...just keep repeating your collection of non sequitur statements....ah yes...I suspect this shall be your play haha - as I said, I believe you are functioning to your potential......and......well, good job.
rossi46
Professional
Inhumane ? It's only a tennis match, they make a million even as runner's up. Get a grip.
Federer crying and babbling like a 3 year old at the AO 2009, "it hurts so much", WTF was that ??
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Djokovic cried because he knew that this was his best chance for career GS and that he probably would not get another one like this.
Federer cried because he was starting to fear that he would never break Pete's GS record if he kept on running into Nadal.
Simple as that.
Why this thread has 6 pages is beyond me.
Federer cried because he was starting to fear that he would never break Pete's GS record if he kept on running into Nadal.
Simple as that.
Why this thread has 6 pages is beyond me.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Unlike some on this board, I am in touch with my emotional side and have the empathy to know what they were feeling. I usually start crying even before the players do when I watch these awards ceremonies. And I didn't even play a tennis match, let alone lose one. Because it's not about tennis nor winning or losing, it's about feeling loved. Haven't you guys seen the end of the movie "Ghost"?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Because what you just stated above for both Federer and Djokovic are completely wrong.
Neither case has anything to do with tennis nor losing. Most of you guys must be kids who have never felt the unconditional love of a devoted wife who tells you that she still loves you even though you failed miserably and disappointed her greatly. That brings most people with any emotions at all to tears.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
i think that's the exact reason why Roger cried
had he won the final and heard a guy yelling "i love you" would he have cried? probably not. He cried because he lost, just like Murray cried at Wimbledon 2012.
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
Here is my analysis on why Federer cried at AO09
"I've created a monster"
These were the words that Roger Federer used to describe what was seen as a dominance that had never ever been seen in the sport. Ever since that USO 04 final, where he destroyed an establishedchampion with a double bagel, there was talk that the player to overtake Sampras' 14 slams had arrived. This was only when Roger had won four slams, and just had one year for dominance. Suddenly, he was under the spot light, and even though he was ten slams away from even equalling Sampras, everyone had it as a foregone conclusion. The pressure and expectation grew so much, that Federer losing sets, let alone matches almost became a shock. He was expected to surpass Sampras, and in the eyes of many, anything else would mean his career is faliure. Imagine...here is a guy who had already done as much as several other ATGs, and but would still be considered a failure if he didn't surpass 14.
The years went by, and Federer maintained his focus and iron will to keep doing it day in and day out, but like all players, your level cannot be sustained at the top for long, after a little while even the greatest players start to show human weaknesses. Combine this with the arrival of another ATG, who was writing his own history. At AO09, Federer came to within one set of finally equally Sampras, it was just about winning any slam, or beating Nadal, it was more about getting that 14th slam that he had been pursuing for years. Then all of sudden, you crumble without explanation in the fifth, despite having all the momentum, and its over before you know it....
Was that as close as he was ever going to get? Four games? In this sport, nothing is for certain, and Federer knew and felt this, when he stood there. Would he now be known as a failure, because for someone like him, who is held to expectations no else was being held to, be considered a failure? standing on that stage...it was a journey of several years of blood, sweat and tears, and he was holding the runner up trophy...runner up to Nadal, or runner up in his chase of greatness? The fans felt it, Nadal felt, and they embraced him, and finally the human that had been hiding his emotions for so long, let it all out. He carried the world's expectations for years, like it was a foregone conclusion, but only he knew truly the mental, emotional and physical burden he had to endure. He cried, and that for me was about as real as any moment I have seen in sport.
"I've created a monster"
These were the words that Roger Federer used to describe what was seen as a dominance that had never ever been seen in the sport. Ever since that USO 04 final, where he destroyed an establishedchampion with a double bagel, there was talk that the player to overtake Sampras' 14 slams had arrived. This was only when Roger had won four slams, and just had one year for dominance. Suddenly, he was under the spot light, and even though he was ten slams away from even equalling Sampras, everyone had it as a foregone conclusion. The pressure and expectation grew so much, that Federer losing sets, let alone matches almost became a shock. He was expected to surpass Sampras, and in the eyes of many, anything else would mean his career is faliure. Imagine...here is a guy who had already done as much as several other ATGs, and but would still be considered a failure if he didn't surpass 14.
The years went by, and Federer maintained his focus and iron will to keep doing it day in and day out, but like all players, your level cannot be sustained at the top for long, after a little while even the greatest players start to show human weaknesses. Combine this with the arrival of another ATG, who was writing his own history. At AO09, Federer came to within one set of finally equally Sampras, it was just about winning any slam, or beating Nadal, it was more about getting that 14th slam that he had been pursuing for years. Then all of sudden, you crumble without explanation in the fifth, despite having all the momentum, and its over before you know it....
Was that as close as he was ever going to get? Four games? In this sport, nothing is for certain, and Federer knew and felt this, when he stood there. Would he now be known as a failure, because for someone like him, who is held to expectations no else was being held to, be considered a failure? standing on that stage...it was a journey of several years of blood, sweat and tears, and he was holding the runner up trophy...runner up to Nadal, or runner up in his chase of greatness? The fans felt it, Nadal felt, and they embraced him, and finally the human that had been hiding his emotions for so long, let it all out. He carried the world's expectations for years, like it was a foregone conclusion, but only he knew truly the mental, emotional and physical burden he had to endure. He cried, and that for me was about as real as any moment I have seen in sport.
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MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Yep, basically the same reason Rafa cried at the 2014 AO. It was the first slam loss where afterwards he had real doubts about how much more he could do.
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
Yes. This is exactly the same reason why Rafa cried. He has followed the same path as Federer. Ironically it also happend when he went for his 14th slam.
Players like Federer, Nadal and now Djokovic have to live with the unbelievable expectation that the world puts on them. But they are still human, despite doing things that seem inhuman to the rest of us.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
If Djokovic were in Federer's case I don't want to imagine how nervous he would be. We saw what happened at the FO this year.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
That would have been a completely different situation. He cried because his fans still loved him EVEN THOUGH he lost. If he had won, of course his fans would still love him and he would have expected that. Losers don't expect to continue to be loved and supported. Everyone loves a winner. Nobody likes a loser. That's why players who win a lot have more fans than players who lose a lot. How many fans does the 1,000th ranked player have? Does anyone even know who he is?
The fact that the crowd treated Federer as if he had won instead of lost is what brought him to tears. It would definitely bring me to tears if I had felt so much love and adoration from so many people despite disappointing them.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
I love Ferrer, Berlocq, Dolgopolov and Benneteau.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Do they have more fans than Federer or Nadal? No? Why not?
Winners have more fans than losers do.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
Dimitrov has more fans than Cilic.
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
Who has Djokovic failed? He plays for himself not a team sport which has it's own supporters like a football or basketball team.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Wasn't Dimitrov voted 3rd most popular after Federer and Nadal?
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
It is abundantly clear that GPPD is not the place you want to be. It is former pro player forum , where you can keep reminiscing about the 50's and 60's. Looks like your school and parents failed to teach you how to argue respectfully or perhaps you never could figure out how.
Sport has changed fundamentally, yet you live in the past.
Federer has been declared the 'Greatest of All Time'. just deal with it.
Fed, Nadal, Novak, Murray and a host of others have cried winning and losing. You should perhaps try to get a job as their psychologist if you think they all need to control their emotions better
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cronus
Professional
exactly, AO 2009 the same sort of scenario, you can see roger starts crying as after a fan yells out loud "we love you roger" and the crowd keeps applauding showing the affection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG15FrFsgQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG15FrFsgQM
The_Order
G.O.A.T.
Roger cried because he couldn't handle the fact that he lost another slam final to Nadal.
He tried his best to keep it bottled inside, but all was revealed with one line:
"Oh God it's killing me!"
You don't say that when you're crying because of crowd support. Constant losing to Nadal in slams was what was killing him. That's what Roger was sulking about.
joekapa
Legend
Djokovic cried because of the overwhelming applause given to him by the crowd. I have never seen such a display from a crowd.
In the Australian Open of 2009, Federer cried because he realized that Nadal was slowly, but surely kicking him off his thrown. The applause was nowhere near what Djokovic received in the French Open.
The quote by Federer "Oh God, this is killing me", showed a lot. What was killing him ? The fact that his rein was over, and Nadal had his number.
That day, more or less marked the end of the weak period, and Federer's reign. That's why I have always said that Federer should have 5 Grand Slams to his name. The rest were during a period of tennis that was God awful to watch.
In the Australian Open of 2009, Federer cried because he realized that Nadal was slowly, but surely kicking him off his thrown. The applause was nowhere near what Djokovic received in the French Open.
The quote by Federer "Oh God, this is killing me", showed a lot. What was killing him ? The fact that his rein was over, and Nadal had his number.
That day, more or less marked the end of the weak period, and Federer's reign. That's why I have always said that Federer should have 5 Grand Slams to his name. The rest were during a period of tennis that was God awful to watch.
joekapa
Legend
Totally agree. And I am not a Nadal fan. Nadal more or less dethroned him, and showed him for what he was. Basically the best of a sub par generation of players to emerge at the start of the century.
joekapa
Legend
Really ? Fan's don't mean anything in my book. Madonna has more fan's than Tom Waits. Does that mean Madonna's greater than old Tom ?
People tend to jump on bandwagon's easily.
People want "popularity".
Why did Agassi have more sponsorship deals, than the undeniably greater player Sampras ?
Simply because the tennis fan's, like a lot of other sports, music or whatever, simply follow whatever the media tell's them.
Federer is Federer because the media tell you that. Mention that Nadal has beaten him 70% of the time, and they make excuses. Mention that Murray, Djokovic etc, have more or less a 50-50 H2H ratio with him, and they turn a blind eye.
He was and is more of a marketing engine, than a great tennis player, in my book.
cronus
Professional
No, you are wrong, you must be one of those raafa fans.
You clearly hear a fan yelling out very loud "We love you Roger" and that's when he starts to cry, seems like you knowingly avoid that fact.
"Oh God it's killing me!" meaning trying to control his emotions is killing him and he cannot control it anymore.
I remember roger explicitly saying "you know what this hawk eye is doing? its killing me out there" in Wimbledon, so had he wanted to say raafa he would have said it loud, he rather right away started to congratulate raafa, only raafa who felt guilty knowing that he was super lucky winning that finals against a mono infected roger kept saying "roger you are one of best in history you will pass sampras soon".
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joekapa
Legend
You can say what you want, but it he started getting emotional before the fan cried out.
He cried because he realized Nadal had his number, and that he was no Rodick.
The weak era, more or less finished on that day.
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
From what I see, Federer and Djokovic both cried because they missed what they though was a great chance. They both created a monster - they carried the weight of highest expectations and they could not deliver (in Federer's case, it was another loss to Nadal in a match that I'm sure he believed he was going to win before they set foot on court).
Also see the arrival of a fresh green troll. I wonder which former user this is?
Also see the arrival of a fresh green troll. I wonder which former user this is?
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes I agree, more or less. I think it was more that he couldn't handle losing so close to achieving his dream (the fact that his opponent was Nadal is perhaps not so significant, but would certainly have worsened his mindset). He seemed composed when he first set foot on stage, then it hit him. The fan crying out "we still love you" was enough to push him over the edge.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe you should start by being more humble and say "In my opinion..." or "I think" rather than "everyone is wrong, I am right"
just my 2 cents
sdfedfans
Rookie
Roger cried at the time because
- His confidence had been shaken badly. In 2008, Nadal had overthrown him as the #1 player. He lost the Wimbledon Final to him and now also the Australian open final. He probably thought his time was over.
- In 2008, many people were writing him off after the Wimbledon and Olympic losses. They wanted him to retire even though he was only 27 and began saying that he would never pass Sampras. He mentioned that even his own fans were writing in and asking him what was wrong and offering advice. He had some people writing in and offering to be his coach or psychologist.
- For a long time, many people had expected him to break Sampras' record and he probably felt the huge expectation on him. When he failed, I think Federer felt bitterly disappointed in himself and also that he let so many people down.
- Before he stepped on court, most people expected Federer to win because of Nadal's long semi-final victory against Verdasco. This was also Federer's favoured surface and Nadal had never reached the final before. He probably saw this as his best chance at getting number 14 and felt that he had blown it.
- Many legends of the game were watching in the stands, expecting him to win. They even got Rod Laver to hand out the trophy (In 2006, Federer cried when Laver handed him the trophy).
- Federer is a very emotional player, he cries when he wins and loses. At that moment, he probably felt as though he was a failure. So many people (the fans, media, players, legends) had such high expectations of him and he was unable to deliver.
- And lastly, even though he had all these emotions going through his head, he was trying to control them. When he heard the crowds applause and that man who shouted "I love you Roger!", he just couldn't control himself anymore. It made him realise just how disappointed he was (which is why he said "God it's Killing me!"). The love from the crowd even though he had failed them just made him feel even more emotional.
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
That's because Dimitrov hits a one-handed backhand. All one-handed players have more fans than two-handed backhand players regardless if they win or not.
Prabhanjan
Professional
By that criteria, the sports which are played for themselves must also be watched by them only. Why are we wasting time
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Are you serious? He has a whole team behind him. Haven't you ever heard the players thank their team and congratulate their opponent's team during every awards ceremony? And he also has lots of fans and supporters in the audience. How could you have you missed all of their non-stop cheering and applause when he got up to the podium? Those are all the people he felt he let down. But because they so affectionally displayed that they still loved him regardless, despite him disappointing them, he got emotional and broke down. Love is an extremely powerful emotion. People even kill and commit suicide over it.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Um...NO!!!
It was the crowd's vociferous display of affection even after he let them down that was "killing him", because he knew he didn't deserve it.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Blame it on the crowd then. It's not Federer's fault that he has way more fans than Nadal does.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
No, it means that Madonna has more fans than Tom Waits does.
In tennis, players who win have more fans than players who always lose. The Top 20 players have more fans combined than the rest of the Top 1000 combined. Why do you think that is?
Fans prefer to back a winner. Nobody wants to back a loser.
"Popularity" comes from winning, not losing.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Because of all the applause and cheering.
Have you ever had 20,000 people applauding and cheering YOU after you lost a match?
That's not true. Because if he believes his time was up, he would have never end up winning the FO, Wimbledon and AO.
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Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Another ugly thread in an ugly forum.
Guys are more open about showing emotions now. The days of "big boys don't cry" have changed.
No big deal.
Guys are more open about showing emotions now. The days of "big boys don't cry" have changed.
No big deal.
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