Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Had he retired he wouldn't have the slam record.
And that's because Djokodal won a lot a the age Federer was considered old
Djokovic-Federer at Wimbledon: a unique case
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And that's because Djokodal won a lot a the age Federer was considered old
BringBackWood
Professional
Imagine Thiem beating Nadal in 3 RG finals and Rafa fans going ''oh he's old, it doesn't count''
Things like this really make me wish Fed at retired had a more normal age, say when he was 34. Imagine being punished for being demonstably way past prime (seen Fed's movement to his right particularly since 2012?) but still good enough (amazingly) to get all the way to the final, only to be *just* beaten by a guy much closer to their physical prime.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Lol at Lew telling someone to take the loss like a man.
A real man sits on his computer and uses statistical analysis to degrade one of the greatest athletes in the history of sports.
A real man sits on his computer and uses statistical analysis to degrade one of the greatest athletes in the history of sports.
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
Had he retired he wouldn't have the slam record.
And that's because Djokodal won a lot a the age Federer was considered old
Nadal’s my boy but I know he’s padding his resume in a weak era. Thiem is literally the only guy to emerge the entire 2010s to consistently go deep in slams and until recently it was just the FO. And he can’t win big title matches to save his life
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
That's because he lost.
Had he won you would be all like ''oh Federer won 11 Wimbledons he's GOAT, he's the greatest over30 in history, he's the greatest of all times
''
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Connors was 27 and 28 in two of those losses and then had a 2 Slam year in 82, beating Mac at Queens and Wimblexon when he was pushing 30. You can argue Mac was just better in 79 or 80, without bringing age into it.
BringBackWood
Professional
That's because he lost.
Had he won you would be all like ''oh Federer won 11 Wimbledons he's GOAT, he's the greatest over30 in history, he's the greatest of all times
Goodness me, you're not even clever are you? That must be tough, trying to be the intellectual on the forum when you lack basic reasoning skills. But sure, emojis add to your case.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Let's not forget Federer was the heavy favourite on this forum:
tt.tennis-warehouse.com
Federer 442 votes
Djokovic 275 votes
Only to become old right after the match
Wimbledon 2019 Final: Novak Djokovic [1] vs Roger Federer [2]
Fourth meeting at Wimbledon, third final. Each time Fed has beaten RAFA at a tournament he's gone to win the title. Will Djokovic stop that trend and equal Borg? The last time Fed beat Djokovic was during that magical summer of 1985. A maturing Joe Piscopo left Saturday Night Live to conquer...
tt.tennis-warehouse.com
Federer 442 votes
Djokovic 275 votes
Only to become old right after the match
Breakpointerer
Legend
It's great for Djokovic to have that kind of record over a player of Federer's calibre.
But let's not act like it means Djokovic's grass peak>>>weak era champ Fedr's and Djoko grass BOAT and so forth.
But let's not act like it means Djokovic's grass peak>>>weak era champ Fedr's and Djoko grass BOAT and so forth.
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NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Well Federer fans would have done the same if it was reversed and he was doing it to Sampras. It's not fair but that's how sports fanatics are in general, unfortunately. Hell, even now Federer fans use that 2001 match to say Federer is better than Sampras on grass. It wouldn't have been better for Federer to retire though because he wouldn't have had the record. So I would just be happy he has the record, which is what matters, than worrying about his record in finals to one guy.
BringBackWood
Professional
Yeah couldn't possibly be people conflating 'want' with 'think'? No that's explanation's way out there.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
This was the purpose of this thread, but Fed fans of course had to sheit on this achievement instead of giving credit to him.
BringBackWood
Professional
And reasonable minded people, Fed fans or not, would tend to dispute that statement. Being a fan should not be an obstacle to rational thought. I reject the label myself because of the negative connotations.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Yeah one fourth round win is absolutely equal to 3 finals...
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
I would tell them to stuff it too. For the latter, I already do whenever I see it. Gotta defend PETE’s honor you know
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
Let's not forget Federer was the heavy favourite on this forum:
Wimbledon 2019 Final: Novak Djokovic [1] vs Roger Federer [2]
Fourth meeting at Wimbledon, third final. Each time Fed has beaten RAFA at a tournament he's gone to win the title. Will Djokovic stop that trend and equal Borg? The last time Fed beat Djokovic was during that magical summer of 1985. A maturing Joe Piscopo left Saturday Night Live to conquer...
Federer 442 votes
Djokovic 275 votes
Only to become old right after the match
You churn and churn on the same nonsense. People vote with their hearts, arses and elbows in those polls
Breakpointerer
Legend
It's already been said that you can't use poll results as conclusive evidence of what people expect to happen.Let's not forget Federer was the heavy favourite on this forum:
Wimbledon 2019 Final: Novak Djokovic [1] vs Roger Federer [2]
Fourth meeting at Wimbledon, third final. Each time Fed has beaten RAFA at a tournament he's gone to win the title. Will Djokovic stop that trend and equal Borg? The last time Fed beat Djokovic was during that magical summer of 1985. A maturing Joe Piscopo left Saturday Night Live to conquer...
Federer 442 votes
Djokovic 275 votes
Only to become old right after the match
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Yeah one fourth round win is absolutely equal to 3 finals...
Well...I don't know how to respond to that one. Lol
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
You wish.
Breakpointerer
Legend
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe if you didn't create the same thread 8x a week the response would be different...
Breakpointerer
Legend
The stat has been used a ton of times to imply the second statement of that post, so no wonder.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Lew doesn't seem capable of introspection so he'll never understand this.
Fiero425
Legend
Had he retired he wouldn't have the slam record.
And that's because Djokodal won a lot a the age Federer was considered old
He still languished on the tour only making finals of majors going well over 5 years to add 3 more champ. to his resume when Nole was collecting them in bunches!
DjokoGOAT
Semi-Pro
2012/2015 comes close with wins over Djokovic and Murray. I would have 2019 as his best ever level. Win over peak nadal in semi and one ace away from a win over the GOAT in 5 sets.
Wins over fellow ATG Murray & Djokovic >>>>> wins over Roddick, grosjean, Gasquet and kiefer.
DjokoGOAT
Semi-Pro
Old when he loses. “Amazing longevity, best ever, GOAT” when he wins at old age.Let's not forget Federer was the heavy favourite on this forum:
Wimbledon 2019 Final: Novak Djokovic [1] vs Roger Federer [2]
Fourth meeting at Wimbledon, third final. Each time Fed has beaten RAFA at a tournament he's gone to win the title. Will Djokovic stop that trend and equal Borg? The last time Fed beat Djokovic was during that magical summer of 1985. A maturing Joe Piscopo left Saturday Night Live to conquer...
Federer 442 votes
Djokovic 275 votes
Only to become old right after the match
metsman
G.O.A.T.
Sampras was a glorified Roddick I've been told, so he basically did play the Wimby 09 final and got damn close to match point!
mike danny
Bionic Poster
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
It's been said, but can never be said enough considering you seem to genuinely believe the stuff you type - How many of those guys you have listed even played a slam final at their favourite slam at the age Federer was in 2014? Let alone 2015, and 20 friggin' 19.
Djokovic in Australia this year was pretty much the same age as Federer in 2014 Wimbledon if my math is right. Month or two younger maybe. AND HE GOT TAKEN TO 5 SETS BY DOMINIC THIEM! Now yes, he won and Federer lost, but then you ask the question of who is better, 26 year old Thiem or 27 year old Djokovic.
Nadal in Paris last year was the same age. He came through in 4, but that was certainly the toughest test he's ever had in a final there, and had he not had the extra days rest who is to say how things might have gone.
Agassi won in Australia in 2003 at a similar age in what is widely heralded as one of the clown draws of all time. Had Federer gotten to face Schuttler I think he might have been alright.
Djokovic in Australia this year was pretty much the same age as Federer in 2014 Wimbledon if my math is right. Month or two younger maybe. AND HE GOT TAKEN TO 5 SETS BY DOMINIC THIEM! Now yes, he won and Federer lost, but then you ask the question of who is better, 26 year old Thiem or 27 year old Djokovic.
Nadal in Paris last year was the same age. He came through in 4, but that was certainly the toughest test he's ever had in a final there, and had he not had the extra days rest who is to say how things might have gone.
Agassi won in Australia in 2003 at a similar age in what is widely heralded as one of the clown draws of all time. Had Federer gotten to face Schuttler I think he might have been alright.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
How many guys have played ALL their matches in a slam against a younger ATG in their 30's?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Don't forget how Djokovic didn't even get to play Federer at 2008-2009 Wimb. A 3-3 record suddenly looks much better with Federer winning the first 3 and Djokovic the last 3.
It's why H2H is meaningless at the end of the day.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
It's not like none of those 400+ voters believed Federer could win. Far from it actually. There was hype and genuine belief every time before the finals. And Fed's form before the finals justified that most of the time. Polls might lie, but comments don't as much.You churn and churn on the same nonsense. People vote with their hearts, arses and elbows in those polls
If anything a lot started to talk out of their arses after Djokovic won each one of them. Maybe Fed fans are as old as him so they forgot he was old until he got beaten when that fact suddenly came back to them?
DjokoGOAT
Semi-Pro
Baby pre gluten Djokovic who lost to Safin and haas ?
2015/2019 Federer beat fellow ATG Nadal and murray so was at his peak. Djokovic is the BOAT on grass.
PeoplesChamp
Legend
Djonovax
PeoplesChamp
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lol, I hope Nadal and Djokovic stick around long enough to get lit up on the biggest stages.
Then again... let's also hope they're comfortable with life away from tennis.
Then again... let's also hope they're comfortable with life away from tennis.
metsman
G.O.A.T.
better haas and safin than stakhovsky, anderson, and raomug no?Baby pre gluten Djokovic who lost to Safin and haas ?
2015/2019 Federer beat fellow ATG Nadal and murray so was at his peak. Djokovic is the BOAT on grass.
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
Federer was well past his prime when he started losing to Nole in Wimbledon. As a Federer fan, I am happy they faced off in 2012 when Federer was still very good and Djokovic was the defending champion. It proved that a good Federer had the edge over a good Novak on grass. When they met 2 years later, Federer was a pale shadow of his 2012 self and was just playing his 2nd slam with his new racket. It still went 5. 2015 was a legit awesome victory by Novak. He was clearly the better player who was at his peak. Federer played well but fell way short, much like Novak in 2012. 2019 was never supposed to have been that close. Federer was freaking 38 years old coming off a victory over his greatest rival. Asking him to repeat the feat against another great rival was way too much to ask. But yet, he almost delivered. Yes, I do wish he had converted those match point. I can and have felt bad about the loss. but I choose to look at how incredible Federer's performance was. We fans are just lucky to witness that level of tennis, even at that age. If you put things in perspective, what Federer did in Wimbledon 2019 was AMAZING and a testament to his talent and belief.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
I wouldn't say it's completely meaningless but it can definitely be used in very misleading ways.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
It's not like none of those 400+ voters believed Federer could win. Far from it actually. There was hype and genuine belief every time before the finals. And Fed's form before the finals justified that most of the time. Polls might lie, but comments don't as much.
If anything a lot started to talk out of their arses after Djokovic won each one of them. Maybe Fed fans are as old as him so they forgot he was old until he got beaten when that fact suddenly came back to them?
Yes, when it started to become really tough to get out of bed in the morning because of the %*#&$ back
I was more referring to Lou's notion that Federer was favourite, or something like that. He has his project going...
I think it's only fair to hope for your favourite to win. But if I were a gambler, I'd always place my chips on Novak in finals. So it's kind of two different things
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I always believed the Fedovic AO and Wimb H2H's are misleading.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
To me it just reinforced how much of a choking head case he is.
Breakpointerer
Legend
Head case? That's harsh.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Novak was on Fed's half in 2008 and 2009 Wimbledons but lost to Safin and Haas (weak era clowns).
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
Different strokes for different folks.
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
Well well.
beard
Legend
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Back in 2008-early 2010, Novak had a strong habit of dodging Fed constantly in slams. If only older Fed had this same habit there would be no H2H discussions.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Well, since IW 2018 he did kinda become a head case. It is age related, but the point still stands.
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