Djokovic has grown on me

vanioMan

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I gotta admit, over the last few months I've started to really like Djokovic. Not that I didn't admire his qualities before, but I can now say that I actually enjoy watching him play. I like the balance and stability his game as well as the fact that he's so good on all surfaces. I also appreciate a lot more his fighting spirit and also what he did in 2011, 2015 and the first part of 2016. Not a fan (yet :)), but I definetely like and appreciate him much more than before.

 
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Azure

G.O.A.T.
I think most Rafa fans really like Djokovic. To me he goes beyond the sport. Forget about dominating (yes, dominating) the two biggest names of the sport, this man seems to be so funny, articulate and intelligent of-court.

I am so glad he is back, in the mix and ready to fight it out in tournaments again.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
I gotta admit, over the last few months I've started to really like Djokovic. Not that I didn't admire his qualities before, but I can now say that I actually enjoy watching him play. I like the balance and stability his game as well as the fact that he's so good on all surfaces. I also appreciate a lot more his fighting spirit and also what he did in 2011, 2015 and first part of 2016. Not a fan, but I definetely like and appreciate him much more than before.


I think that many tennis fans immediately were captivated by Federer, and if they were younger and Fed was their first tennis "idol", it took them a while to even accept that anyone could challenge, let alone defeat, their idol. And with Fed (and I still like him), there has always been an air of mythology about him. So, it took many true-blue Fed fans a while to accept Rafa. if they've done so. But for the most part, Djokovic, who emerged a little later (and was somewhat brash at the beginning), has always been the third wheel - which has been exacerbated by how respectful a rivalry Rafa and Roger have had. Interestingly, I gravitated to Fed the first time I saw him play, but even more so to Rafa when I first watched him and he practically burst off the screen into my living room.

Novak has also been a little more of a process for me, and now, he's my co-personal-favorite with Nadal. In many ways, his personality is more genuine than the other two, but his game is more subtle. The usual cliches come to mind: not as elegant as Fed, or eye-poppingly dynamic as Rafa. But what you get is consistent excellence (okay, that slide period aside) and mastery of every aspect of the game (except for his overhead?) - and a man who has the occasional emotional outburst, but who is also the most intelligent (brilliant, really) and articulate a player as I've ever seen - with the possible exception of the late, great Arthur Ashe. He's easily an all-time great (top 2-3 of the Open Era with room to climb) and a terrific person as well...but a very human one who does make mistakes once in a while.
 

Azure

G.O.A.T.
I think that many tennis fans immediately were captivated by Federer, and if they were younger and Fed was their first tennis "idol", it took them a while to even accept that anyone could challenge, let alone defeat, their idol. And with Fed (and I still like him), there has always been an air of mythology about him. So, it took many true-blue Fed fans a while to accept Rafa. if they've done so. But for the most part, Djokovic, who emerged a little later (and was somewhat brash at the beginning), has always been the third wheel - which has been exacerbated by how respectful a rivalry Rafa and Roger have had. Interestingly, I gravitated to Fed the first time I saw him play, but even more so to Rafa when I first watched him and he practically burst off the screen into my living room.

Novak has also been a little more of a process for me, and now, he's my co-personal-favorite with Nadal. In many ways, his personality is more genuine than the other two, but his game is more subtle. The usual cliches come to mind: not as elegant as Fed, or eye-poppingly dynamic as Rafa. But what you get is consistent excellence (okay, that slide period aside) and mastery of every aspect of the game (except for his overhead?) - and a man who has the occasional emotional outburst, but who is also the most intelligent (brilliant, really) and articulate a player as I've ever seen - with the possible exception of the late, great Arthur Ashe. He's easily an all-time great (top 2-3 of the Open Era with room to climb) and a terrific person as well...but a very human one who does make mistakes once in a while.
This is an excellent and well articulated post on Novak. He is my second favourite too after Rafa. The gap is really not much. Sometimes watching these two play each other is a joy and pain at the same time. I wish titles could be shared, really. The Wimbledon match, I should have felt bad for Rafa. Instead I was filled with gladness in my heart that the player who was now discarded as gone, done and over had risen back on the hallowed center court of Wimbledon and had beaten his fiercest rival. Legendary stuff.

As for fans, every player has them and over the years I have learnt to separate the players from the fans.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
The Wimbledon match, I should have felt bad for Rafa. Instead I was filled with gladness in my heart that the player who was now discarded as gone, done and over had risen back on the hallowed center court of Wimbledon and had beaten his fiercest rival. Legendary stuff.

Really? I don't think any loss of Nadal's has annoyed me more. It still annoys me, all the events of those 2 days.
 

Azure

G.O.A.T.
Really? I don't think any loss of Nadal's has annoyed me more. It still annoys me, all the events of those 2 days.
Why would it? That there's some manipulation in the background at work? Surely we are not that naive to assume that all tournaments take place without some underworks. Sure, easy to blame the indoor conditions etc. If I look for ifs and buts in every win or loss I will be bitter all my life!
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
This is an excellent and well articulated post on Novak. He is my second favourite too after Rafa. The gap is really not much. Sometimes watching these two play each other is a joy and pain at the same time. I wish titles could be shared, really. The Wimbledon match, I should have felt bad for Rafa. Instead I was filled with gladness in my heart that the player who was now discarded as gone, done and over had risen back on the hallowed center court of Wimbledon and had beaten his fiercest rival. Legendary stuff.

As for fans, every player has them and over the years I have learnt to separate the players from the fans.

Thanks - and talk about mixed feelings watching the Wimbledon final....and if they were still to meet at the WTFs. They also looked to be on a collision course at the US Open. In my preferential world, Rafa will win the AO, and Novak the FO in 2019. They both seem to deserve those second titles, although sports doesn't always work out that way.

As for the fans, I usually don't let them affect my rooting interest for a team, or a player. I mentioned it for this thread, because I think Novak has grown on people for those reasons - and he's had to fight being the unwanted third wheel, with some overzealous fans even more adamantly against him because his career accomplishments are right there with Roger and Rafa.
 
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Really? I don't think any loss of Nadal's has annoyed me more. It still annoys me, all the events of those 2 days.

Let it go, Nadal has broken Djokovic's heart many times also, that is the nature of sports. Its not really good to hold negative feelings over something you had no control over. All the legends have had tough defeats, but that is what makes the victories that much sweeter.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
It still annoys me that the events of that Friday-Saturday at Wimbledon enabled him to come back like this.

I take it you are referring to Wimbledon's absurd decision to keep the roof closed on Saturday despite the fine, sunny weather? Obviously it favoured Djokovic (who is by far the better indoor player) but I think he was already well on the way back to his best. Once Marian Vajda rejoined his team and all extraneous influences were banished, it was only a matter of time.
 
It still annoys me that the events of that Friday-Saturday at Wimbledon enabled him to come back like this.

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Enceladus

Legend
It still annoys me that the events of that Friday-Saturday at Wimbledon enabled him to come back like this.
I take it you are referring to Wimbledon's absurd decision to keep the roof closed on Saturday despite the fine, sunny weather? Obviously it favoured Djokovic (who is by far the better indoor player) but I think he was already well on the way back to his best. Once Marian Vajda rejoined his team and all extraneous influences were banished, it was only a matter of time.
Nadal also had one advantage in Wimbledon - higher reflection of the balls than normal because of this year's drought in England. This factor helped him advanced to SF, which he had previously last played in 2011. So not only Djokovic, but also Nadal played the circumstances in his favor.
In tennis is tradition of completing a match in the same settings - on the same court and in the same environment (unless the organizers are forced to change the tennis environment). And that's true for the finish parts of the matches in next day. The roof is part of the game, guys.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
I take it you are referring to Wimbledon's absurd decision to keep the roof closed on Saturday despite the fine, sunny weather? Obviously it favoured Djokovic (who is by far the better indoor player) but I think he was already well on the way back to his best. Once Marian Vajda rejoined his team and all extraneous influences were banished, it was only a matter of time.

Lets not go into the whole roof thing. Rules are rules and that's it.

Good thread @vanioMan
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
I take it you are referring to Wimbledon's absurd decision to keep the roof closed on Saturday despite the fine, sunny weather? Obviously it favoured Djokovic (who is by far the better indoor player) but I think he was already well on the way back to his best. Once Marian Vajda rejoined his team and all extraneous influences were banished, it was only a matter of time.

We'll never know, but don't blame Novak for wanting to continue under the same (indoor) conditions. Blame that situation on the absurd 95-93 5th set of that Anderson-Isner serve-a-thon, and their antiquated curfew.
 

TheAssassin

Legend
You have seen the light. :p

Now that you mentioned it, I am feeling similar towards Nadal lately. Took a while to really appreciate him but I am there. Fantastic player and competitor.
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
Novak Djokovic is the 6th greatest player of all time, 4th greatest of the Open Era, and third wheel of his era.

Let's not forget his true position in tennis history - which is not as high as many in this thread claim.

So be it.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Can't say he's grown on me. My opinion of him hasn't really changed tbh. I've always thought he was a great player who I've enjoyed watching on many occasions, and seemingly a very nice person (as all 4, Murray included) are, but I don't care about him or his style of play enough to say he's grown on me.

Or I'd say I didn't dislike him enough in the first place to say something like that.
 
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OhYes

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I like good tennis so watching Djovak play well is pretty cool. Too bad that also means fozens of Djokotroll disgustoids crawling out of their caves to pollute tennis forums by acting like massive jerks. The man himself has been cool since 2011 though, not his fault.
Are you that blind or stupid to think how only Djokovic has fans which can pass that invisible border of politeness ?
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
Are you that blind or stupid to think how only Djokovic has fans which can pass that invisible border of politeness ?

Of course not. However, having jerks from two fanbases is easier to deal with than from all three since that means fewer jerks to tolerate. You are a prime example of a thoroughly negative non-knowledgeable poster the tennis forum would do better without, it was nice not having you here.
 
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OhYes

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Of course not. However, having jerks from two fanbases is easier to deal with than from all three since that means fewer jerks to tolerate. You are a prime example of a thoroughly negative non-knowledgeable poster the tennis forum would do better without, it was nice not having you here.
Coming from guy whos first reaction on this topic was "oh but their fans blah blah blah..." :rolleyes: Yeah you are great to socialize with. Hats off for your knowledge too.
 
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OhYes

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No need to thank me. You are a great Poster.
I wish I was braver with your dispute with one poster who seemed nice and polite for so long(maybe he had some issues in rl so he acted totally different some weeks ago), but you basically said to him everything I was thinking, but I still didn't want to jump in thinking maybe he will apologise... he didn't.
And I am sorry for not backing you up then. :(
 
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OhYes

Guest
You are a terrible poster as well, so no wonder.

За что же, не таясь греха, кукушка хвалит петуха? – За то, что хвалит он кукушку.
You got like from tennisaddict, so keep calm.
 
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