Do ATP ranking points reset?

[NuBas]

I see Murray at around 12,000 and others in 5,000 but like over the years do those numbers just keep adding like will they reach 100,000 or do the numbers reset after like a certain amount of years?

 

[xFullCourtTenniSx]

Wrong section. And any points you earn from a tournament last until the conclusion of that tournament next year, or 365 days if that tournament isn't around anymore.

So what you earn from your results at Wimbledon 2016 lasts until the conclusion of Wimbledon 2017. Points are updated weekly, so they'd be updated the following Monday? Just a guess since afaik all tournaments end on Sundays, right?

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

@NuBas

Wrong section. And any points you earn from a tournament last until the conclusion of that tournament next year, or 365 days if that tournament isn't around anymore.

So what you earn from your results at Wimbledon 2016 lasts until the conclusion of Wimbledon 2017. Points are updated weekly, so they'd be updated the following Monday? Just a guess since afaik all tournaments end on Sundays, right?

Most, but not all, tournaments end on Sunday. Some spill over cuz of rain delays. Not certain if there are other exceptions as well. The official ATP (and WTA?) rankings usually update on a Monday. For a 2-week tournament, like the 4 majors, the official rankings might not update on the middle Monday. I don't recall how they adjust if the slams do not finish up before the following Monday.

You can also follow "live rankings". These reflect what is happening today and project what a player may gain in the next round. Taking a look at the current live rankings, Andy just gained +20 whereas Novak just lost some of his points from last year and ended up with a net loss of points: -230. If Novak wins Doha, he gets those 230 pts back. If he doesn't win, he will have a net loss of points next Monday in the official ATP ranking.

Live ATP Ranking: http://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-live-ranking
Official ATP ranking: http://live-tennis.eu/en/official-atp-ranking

 

[xFullCourtTenniSx]

For a 2-week tournament, like the 4 majors, the official rankings might not update on the middle Monday.

I doubt they will give you points based on your results in a tournament only halfway in. I can imagine situations where if a lower tournament was somehow scheduled at the same time as the first week of a major and you competed in it, and the next year you played in the major, you'll lose the points from the lower tournament, but won't gain points from the major until it's finished. Otherwise it'd be a bit of a mess. They probably might not even allow tournaments to be scheduled at the same time as the majors for this reason.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

I doubt they will give you points based on your results in a tournament only halfway in. I can imagine situations where if a lower tournament was somehow scheduled at the same time as the first week of a major and you competed in it, and the next year you played in the major, you'll lose the points from the lower tournament, but won't gain points from the major until it's finished. Otherwise it'd be a bit of a mess. They probably might not even allow tournaments to be scheduled at the same time as the majors for this reason.

Only 128 guys get to play the 1st round of singles at a slam event. Wouldn't your think that there might be some lesser tournaments for all those hundreds of pros who do not qualify for the slam event?

 

[xFullCourtTenniSx]

Only 128 guys get to play the 1st round of singles at a slam event. Wouldn't your think that there might be some lesser tournaments for all those hundreds of pros who do not qualify for the slam event?

4 weeks out of 52. Do lower ranked pros even play THAT many tournaments? I can't imagine they play more than 20, which is 20 weeks of tournament play, 40 if you include travel. You still have 8 weeks left over.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

4 weeks out of 52. Do lower ranked pros even play THAT many tournaments? I can't imagine they play more than 20, which is 20 weeks of tournament play, 40 if you include travel. You still have 8 weeks left over.

Don't know. We will have to take a look to see if any players outside of the top 150 or so are playing some other tournament during the AO this month. The live rankings page lists what tournaments each players is currently playing.

 

[NuBas]

Wow so I guess these ranking points are kind of like historically old, they just keep adjusting. So a person with 10,000 points if they miss a grand slam gets deducted down to 8,000 when the tournament ends? And if a person had 10,000 but following year they only reached whatever stage and only get 1,000 so they actually go down to 9,000?

 

[xFullCourtTenniSx]

Don't know. We will have to take a look to see if any players outside of the top 150 or so are playing some other tournament during the AO this month. The live rankings page lists what tournaments each players is currently playing.

Maybe. I mean, even if lower tier tournaments give very few points, I'd feel bad if someone got overtaken just because for one extra week their rankings weren't updated while the other guy played a tournament, regardless of how unlikely it is (would have to be a player that went through the qualification tournament or got a wildcard).

Wow so I guess these ranking points are kind of like historically old, they just keep adjusting. So a person with 10,000 points if they miss a grand slam gets deducted down to 8,000 when the tournament ends? And if a person had 10,000 but following year they only reached whatever stage and only get 1,000 so they actually go down to 9,000?

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The Open Era is like 40 years old... So yeah, they're kind of old. And yes, if they don't show up to a major they won, they will lose 2000 points at the end of the tournament. That's why Federer's ranking tanked so hard. He missed half a year's worth of points. His ranking won't go up until the second half of the year where he can make significant gains, and his ranking will shoot up pretty quickly if he performs remotely well.

 

[xFullCourtTenniSx]

Yeah there are futures and challengers the same weeks as the slams. If you lose week 1 of the slam you can play a tournament the following week if you can get a WC or sign in to qualies. No one loses out.

2nd week is fine, the updated rankings will line up anyways (the tournaments finish by the same Sunday). That's why I said 4 weeks out of 52 as opposed to 8. What about 1st week?

 

[xFullCourtTenniSx]

Stuff runs the first week too. Again challengers and futures

Okay. Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[NuBas]

The Open Era is like 40 years old... So yeah, they're kind of old. And yes, if they don't show up to a major they won, they will lose 2000 points at the end of the tournament. That's why Federer's ranking tanked so hard. He missed half a year's worth of points. His ranking won't go up until the second half of the year where he can make significant gains, and his ranking will shoot up pretty quickly if he performs remotely well.

Thanks for your help for sure but I've noticed in almost all your posts (other threads) you seem to have zero patience with people, are you like an grumpy 60 year old or something? Do you have a lagging injury cause you seem very peeved at everything, you would make a terrible professor .

 

[mad dog1]

4 weeks out of 52. Do lower ranked pros even play THAT many tournaments? I can't imagine they play more than 20, which is 20 weeks of tournament play, 40 if you include travel. You still have 8 weeks left over.

Lower ranked pros play a lot! There are futures and challengers events that take place concurrently all over the world.

 

[onehandbh]

ATP pts expire, TW GOAT pts do not.