Do people hate player or get mixed up with their hatred for the fans of them?

[Djokodal Fan]

Had hated Fed all along and loved Nadal until I came to this forum.

It is completely opposite now.

which brings the quesition, do fans really hate a player or get mixed with their feelings with their hatred for the fans of the player and it causes them to view everything negatively surrounding the player?

I have immense respect for Fed/Nadal/Novak for what they have achieved and spoiled us with.

But now a simple question, do you hate a player just because of the trolls in the opposite camp?

 

[NatF]

I think the fans make it really difficult to like certain players. I've always been a Federer fan and never supported Nadal - but I didn't have an intense dislike of him. My first couple of years on this forum I found myself really disliking Nadal.

I started off like Djokovic quite a lot, and then his fans nearly put me off him. So the fans do have a big impact.

 

[vanioMan]

Had hated Fed all along and loved Nadal until I came to this forum.

It is completely opposite now.

which brings the quesition, do fans really hate a player or get mixed with their feelings with their hatred for the fans of the player and it causes them to view everything negatively surrounding the player?

I have immense respect for Fed/Nadal/Novak for what they have achieved and spoiled us with.

But now a simple question, do you hate a player just because of the trolls in the opposite camp?

I don't and I never quite understood this "I hate the player because of his fans" thing. It's probably the worst reason to ever dislike a certain player, imo.

That being said, hating a player is very childish in general. I admit that I used to hate Federer up until 2009 (I'm a Roddick fan), but I guess with age came my appreciation to Fed and his abilities, and currently he is one of my favourite players and quite possibly the GOAT as well.

I understand disliking a certain player, but hating means that you are either young and immature, or you are miserable in some kind of way. I mean to hate a guy you don't know? That's rather impossible. That's like to say that you love a guy you don't know

 

[Golden]

Not necessarily hate, but I've started to dislike other players that I liked before simply because their fans annoy me, and I know that when the players lose, the fans will stop posting for a bit.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

I think the fans make it really difficult to like certain players. I've always been a Federer fan and never supported Nadal - but I didn't have an intense dislike of him. My first couple of years on this forum I found myself really disliking Nadal.

I started off like Djokovic quite a lot, and then his fans nearly put me off him. So the fans do have a big impact.

Which is what made the Rafa defeat at the French Open a bit unbearable. Not the fact that Novak won, but the fact that some of his fans would rub it into our faces. Which they did..

 

[Deleted member 307496]

I don't and I never quite understood this "I hate the player because of his fans" thing. It's probably the worst reason to ever dislike a certain player, imo.

That being said, hating a player is very childish in general. I admit that I used to hate Federer up until 2009 (I'm a Roddick fan), but I guess with age came my appreciation to Fed and his abilities, and currently he is one of my favourite players and quite possibly the GOAT as well.

I understand disliking a certain player, but hating means that you are either young and immature, or you are miserable in some kind of way. I mean to hate a guy you don't know? That's rather impossible. That's like to say that you love a guy you don't know

I never hated Federer myself, but I was not a big fan of his and seeing him lined up to play one of my favorites usually resulted in a sigh..

But that was because I already knew the outcome before the match begun.

I felt this way when he was beating Hewitt everywhere circa 2005..

 

[Sir Percival Blakeney]

Well, if you really admire a player, for whatever reason, you should stick by him and ignore the ridiculous fans. Or otherwise denounce them, if anything.

If you feel negatively about a player, it's sort of natural for your feeling to become intensified by the behaviour and comments of his most ardent supporters.

 

[Phalagoo]

It has some influence, yes. When I first got into the ATP tour just a few years ago, I liked Nadal. Then I watched his matches against a certain player at Wimbledon who ended up losing the match despite an epic comeback attempt match points down. So Federer became my favorite player, although I still thought Nadal was cool.

But since I got to these forums, I find myself rooting against Nadal at times, although of course not versus Djokovic this FO, but for example, versus Murray at Madrid; A large part of the reason why for me seems to be that (some of) his fans were too cocky in declaring that he would definitely win over the clay season.

So yes, people do get mixed feelings, but no, it would be foolish to hate a player because of it.

 

[RunDatGame]

Why would you 'hate' a player because of his fans ?? What does he have with posters on some forum ??

 

[NatF]

Why would you 'hate' a player because of his fans ?? What does he have with posters on some forum ??

You want the player to lose to shut up the fans.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

''I wont judge you on the action/inaction of your father.''

And I wont judge a player because of their fans.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

my deep appreciation for the nadal hasn't changed much despite getting to know his amazing fanbase.

 

[tennisaddict]

my deep appreciation for the nadal hasn't changed much despite getting to know his amazing fanbase.

vive : I was just looking for the words, but you have put it amazingly.

+ 1000.

 

[xan]

There are tools of any nationality.
Same goes for fan bases.

I had novak fanatics on ignore too, despite being novak fan myself. so yeah, people definitely play a role.

 

[Charlemagne]

Too many posts from Chico, Assaultjoker, F1Bob et al, really got me to kind of dislike Djokovic, so I think there is an element of truth in what you are stating.

 

[Deleted member 733170]

You want the player to lose to shut up the fans.

Haha I have to acknowledge I share those sympathies.

As for the players themselves, well at least the top ones who we argue about all day, they are all a good example to their fans and detractors alike. They are not saints but for the most part they get my vote.

 

[Deleted member 733170]

There are tools of any nationality.
Same goes for fan bases.

I had novak fanatics on ignore too, despite being novak fan myself. so yeah, people definitely play a role.

How come your signature is a Chico quote, when you have him on ignore ?

 

[heninfan99]

it's def. more the fans.

There's a HUGE difference between a tennis fan and being a fan of one player. If the fanboy and player share a country of origin that's almost always a bad sign.

Older fans that have been through three or more cycles of players tend to be much more level headed, IMO.

 

[AnotherTennisProdigy]

I dislike the word fan, because it's short for fanatic. I support Roger all the way, but am I a fanatic? No, I'm a tennis fan first and a Federer second, if the final of a slam is Federerless then I'll be just as happy as long as the match is good.

Same thing goes with hating players. Some of the people here are extremely pessimistic, they put Murray to shame. A lot of posters can see the bad in anything really.

I don't think people really hate the players, they just root against them so the trolls shut up.

 

[gut wax]

I have long felt that while most vocal Nadalmatians are doggedly loyal, they remind me of adolescent girls squealing over the latest issue of TigerBeat magazine. Couple that with a fussy, manipulative holder of biological passport, and his legacy is a giant asterisk that I will stamp on their "issues."

 

[BGod]

I never liked Nadal's playing style, his long serve times and his attitude on court. Doesn't matter how likeable his fans were.

 

[Sentinel]

Too many posts from Chico, Assaultjoker, F1Bob et al, really got me to kind of dislike Djokovic, so I think there is an element of truth in what you are stating.

LOL, I've been a fan of Nole since about 2005 (maybe 2004 even), but thanks to Chico i sometimes wish Nole would lose just to shut him up ! He was relentless in stalking and bugging people.

The others you mention were funny, F1Bob, i read a few of his posts, yes he hated Fed iirc, but was funny at times. I have no recollection of AssaultJoker. Nowadays, 555 is getting on everyone's nerves, as is #HashtagB.

Fans of this sort of are no credit to their faves. Clarky was fun, too. There are many fine fans of various bases if you comb them out and ignore the childish ones.

Some like to rile up other fan bases, not realizing the possible damage they do to their own fanbase by doing that.

 

[Charlemagne]

LOL, I've been a fan of Nole since about 2005 (maybe 2004 even), but thanks to Chico i sometimes wish Nole would lose just to shut him up ! He was relentless in stalking and bugging people.

The others you mention were funny, F1Bob, i read a few of his posts, yes he hated Fed iirc, but was funny at times. I have no recollection of AssaultJoker. Nowadays, 555 is getting on everyone's nerves, as is #HashtagB.

Fans of this sort of are no credit to their faves. Clarky was fun, too. There are many fine fans of various bases if you comb them out and ignore the childish ones.

Some like to rile up other fan bases, not realizing the possible damage they do to their own fanbase by doing that.

Hahaha, Clarky was indeed very funny. 5555 bugs the hell out of me, with his silly line of questioning. Lol he poses questions like an impartial judge, then denigrates every response that isn't to his liking. :lol: :lol:

 

[Edgecrusher]

Which is what made the Rafa defeat at the French Open a bit unbearable. Not the fact that Novak won, but the fact that some of his fans would rub it into our faces. Which they did..

You are really complaining about this? Just read your own million disrespectful posts about Nole and his fans and then ask yourself why they "rub it into your face".

 

[Russeljones]

I think it's hard for some fans to accept how antipathic their idol appears to others.

 

[xan]

How come your signature is a Chico quote, when you have him on ignore ?

not his. its from random article someone posted about novak playing vs nadal.
liked the quote hence the sig.

 

[La Grande]

Nadal fan here. IMO, the majority of fans are fine. A small amount of overzealous haters don't taint a player or a fan base, for me.

 

[Deleted member 733170]

not his. its from random article someone posted about novak playing vs nadal.
liked the quote hence the sig.

Just pulling your leg mate.

 

[La Grande]

my deep appreciation for the nadal hasn't changed much despite getting to know his amazing fanbase.

+1 for Federer and Djokovic.

 

[Noelan]

Never liked Federer, his game, his passive agressive attitude, his fans didn't helped me to like him more. The thing with Nadal is ,even most of his fans, at least here, are anoying,imature bunch, that somehow didn't affected my admiration for him as a player.

 

[Krish872007]

Always liked Djokovic, Federer and Murray - it's all about separating fanbase from the actual player. Nadal is tolerable, but nevertheless fun to watch
I disagree with views of Novak fans as well (and find some of them annoying - not necessarily on this forum, but in general).

 

[xan]

Just pulling your leg mate.

I've supposed as much.
but leave my legs alone!

 

[JRAJ1988]

As mainly a Murray fan, Murray usually get's negativity from all sides barring Nadal fans to an extent. It's usually the Djokovic and Federer fans who do the cheap jibes and on the rarest occasions personal attacks...it's this blind bias I can't stand, that Murray stole two slams, that thread wasn't a joke...people actually believe that crap about HAARP at the US Open and the Queen ordering an easy draw for Murray when he's a Scottish Nationalist...if it was a joke I'd laugh and not vehemently defend him.

I only liked Murray in the first place because I just by chance I got back from school saw this scruffy ginger mouthy brat play well at Queen's/Wimbledon 2005 and I was a fan.

You get bitter and vindictive, I've seen it on this forum and even I have done it...see my bashing of Djokovic on the results forum? I was never the biggest fan of Djokovic, I respect his awesome talent but I'm not into the histrionics maybe that clouds my judgement.

When I first came to this site in January 2013 it was fine, I really liked that group of posters back then like F1 Bob or that Nadal fan who wasn't NadalSlamKing..and I actually liked Chico, he was sound with me, he was very knowledgeable and he's a Djokovic fan, or the king of the Djokovic fans...everything was funny and better than MTF.

So I don't hate any player but the fans sometimes turn you into a vindictive twit then I don't have anything against the fans though I don't personal attacks because that's when we're going wayyy too far with this "Fanboy" crap, we're supposed to have a laugh.

 

[The Green Mile]

Yes, people here do. It's ridiculous. Why should your views of a player change, because of some fanatic(s)? Like SpicyCurry for instance...

 

[TheMusicLover]

I don't have any problem with genuine, sensible tennis fans rooting for a different player than the one that happens to be my favourite at a certain moment in time (as it happens, my favourites tend to vary quite a bit during the course of action). As long as people are able to remain civil, which I try to do myself as well.

That said, I feel rather sorry to admit that I tend to be allergic for overzealous immature fanbois/grlz - from whatever side of the fence.

This including the club of 'fans' that tend to get their knickers in a twist as soon as you say perhaps anything 'critical' about the One (Nadal-ites, looking at you!), as well as the equally scary bunch of stalkers who apparently seem to think that the One Player appreciates it to see them standing in line for an autograph (well, I hope that's all they want, but I'm not so sure at that... :???: ) for the 189703264012th-time at each and every occasion where "He" (may) appear(s) - Federites, looking at you for this matter!.

Yep, been there, seen it from very close by at tournaments, and bloody hell, it's scary and it sure doesn't help getting on properly with that kind of folks.
Fortunately, these kind of experiences never managed to turn me against my fav players - if anything, I felt (and feel) sorry for them having to deal with them.

 

[ImageIsEverything]

Never liked Federer, his game, his passive agressive attitude, his fans didn't helped me to like him more. The thing with Nadal is ,even most of his fans, at least here, are anoying,imature bunch, that somehow didn't affected my admiration for him as a player.

Agreed, the passive aggressive attitude is the worst. He doesnt strike me as tough or cool in any way, like the polar opposite of McEnroe. Fed's need to be liked is also annoying. Its hard for me to respect athletes who need crowd support to excel, and are unable to flourish in the role of villain. Lebron is another one who falls in this category.

 

[JustBob]

I'm a tennis fan. Of course I like some players more than others, but "hating" a player is just downright idiotic. This usually comes from fanboys who live vicariously through their favorite player and "hate" his rivals. I do not consider these people tennis fans.

 

[RalphJ]

Its the fans, duh. The players are just everyday people who are good at tennis.

 

[CCNM]

Stopped going to Fed's website/chat room a few years ago because it was mostly just women talking about what an ugly player/man Nadal was. Went to Nadal's forum (around the same time), and thought that his "fans" were much nicer.

 

[yemenmocha]

Hate? no.


But I was neutral towards Djokovic at first, but after enduring his hardcore fans in the stands at Indian Wells it made it much easier for me to start not liking him so much.

 

[Backspin1183]

No. There are several bad Federer fans but I am not going let the idiots decide who I like or not like. I do not dislike any player. I only troll some Djokovic fans for fun :lol: because it's so easy.

 

[DolgoSantoro]

I don't and I never quite understood this "I hate the player because of his fans" thing. It's probably the worst reason to ever dislike a certain player, imo.

That being said, hating a player is very childish in general. I admit that I used to hate Federer up until 2009 (I'm a Roddick fan), but I guess with age came my appreciation to Fed and his abilities, and currently he is one of my favourite players and quite possibly the GOAT as well.

I understand disliking a certain player, but hating means that you are either young and immature, or you are miserable in some kind of way. I mean to hate a guy you don't know? That's rather impossible. That's like to say that you love a guy you don't know

Agree wholeheartedly

Given the amount of unpleasant people in the world and in the tennis community, I don't think I could like much of anything if I associated obnoxious behavior with other traits of the person expressing it. And I will also maintain that no player (bar Bob Hewitt and Bill Tilden) deserves hatred. I have my few that I'll cheer against, but there's no venom in my comments. The moment I let something like an online fan or a tennis player I've never even met sour me is probably the moment I'd stop following the sport entirely.

 

[Sentinel]

Never liked Federer, his game, his passive agressive attitude, his fans didn't helped me to like him more. The thing with Nadal is ,even most of his fans, at least here, are anoying,imature bunch, that somehow didn't affected my admiration for him as a player.

That will certainly go down well with them !

sureshs, are you reading this ?

 

[VexlanderPrime]

I've had this same prob with the Rafa fans. Although complaints from Rafa about tennis haven't helped the cause. But then I see / hear great things that Rafa does on/off the court and I can't help but respect him despite having the nuttiest fanbase on here. Got some good fans tho too (MNadal)

 

[encylopedia]

Probably a bit of both.

Many of the advocates for each player here are so absurd, so moronic, so obnoxious, so polarizing.... so...laughable... that they turn off many.

I'm sure if the player themselves actually read these fans comments they'd actually be embarrassed and turned-off ...

 

[DerekNoleFam1]

To an extent, when fans live out their arrogance and elitism through a player, the player too becomes more unlikeable.
And I am mainly talking about some Fedal fans, who scoff at Novak as not worthy of being compared to, or in the same conversation, as their idols.

 

[SpinToWin]

I have been guilty of this in the past, but I've grown out of that stage. I do think that many people unconsciously let other players' fans affect their perception of the player in question. It's a shame, but when somebody is an avid fan, who practically idolizes the player and puts him on a pedestal… Let's just say that their perspective becomes rather limited.

One of the main mistakes fans do, which causes this rather strange phenomenon, is that they associate fans with the players when criticizing them IMV. I see the same trend in here. What I am referring to, is people saying things like "intolerable Fed fans" or "immature Nadal fans", etc. You are associating a negative characteristic of people to a particular players' fan base, when in reality, it's just the individual fans you want to criticize. If you can just separate "fans" from the player and you see them as individuals that you don't like, it becomes much easier to not be affected by the incessant nonsense that some of these "fans" write.