Do you think Sampras would have won Roland Garros 2011?

We all recall how the balls and conditions allowed Roland Garros to play very fast in 2011. People were even speculating that Federer may beat Nadal in the final that year. Given how slow the 1990s clay was by comparison, and given that even then Sampras made the 1996 semis....do you think Sampras would have won Roland Garros 2011? (and also extend that question to the last 5 years....would Sampras have won? I suspect he would have won 2009)
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We all recall how the balls and conditions allowed Roland Garros to play very fast in 2011. People were even speculating that Federer may beat Nadal in the final that year. Given how slow the 1990s clay was by comparison, and given that even then Sampras made the 1996 semis....do you think Sampras would have won Roland Garros 2011? (and also extend that question to the last 5 years....would Sampras have won? I suspect he would have won 2009)
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i think pete's failure to capture the FO has much to do with his equipment setup. his movement's actually really good. not federer or nadal level, but definitely up there. he had tremendous shots on the run, something clay really requires. his game might possibly be too attacking, and clay also blunts his game, but i do think he definitely should have done better than just 1 semi final appearance. i think pete's problem was his obstination in insisting on that full gut, high tension, small racket head set up. he just had to swing that much harder to get the kind of spin and velocity on his shots. eventually, fatigue catches up by the second week especially, hence making it hard for him to advance further.
 
well at this point it's not even funny, it's a beautiful strategy/agenda you have really (up Nadal, bring Fed down, insert former great and up him to diminish Fed)
 

VPhuc tennis fan

Professional
No more what-if? Pete came up short, that's it for a million of reasons. I'm not even sure he could answer that question himself.
NSK, always pointing the finger to the FO 2009, ha? Was it the year that Fed won, and Nadal lost to Soderling. Gotta it eat you all inside, ha?:cry:
 

SStrikerR

Hall of Fame
If Sampras had kept playing, Nadal would have maybe 1 FO title. Also, if Borg hadn't quit in his prime, Nadal wouldn't even be close to the FO titles record. And he wouldn't get close, either.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I'm sure Sampras would have troubled Nadal more than Federer did.

I agree ... sampras might have been getting bagelled by clay GOAT kafelnikov in his only slam semifinal @ RG , but he surely would trouble nadal more than federer on clay ....
 
I agree ... sampras might have been getting bagelled by clay GOAT kafelnikov in his only slam semifinal @ RG , but he surely would trouble nadal more than federer on clay ....

On 2011 clay, it would have been a different story. And overall, clay in the 21st Century has been more kind to the big servers than the 90s clay was.
 

VPhuc tennis fan

Professional
Dear NSK,
The FO authorities just alerted me that they found that Fed's racket was illegal when used in FO 2009. Something to do with too much power generated for a good player even for Fed. Plus, they also had a witness claiming that Fed hired someone to club Nadal's knee before the tournament, Tanya Harding-like incident. Altogether, they decided to give the FO 2009 title back to the due champ Nadal!:):):)
Is it good news? Does it right all the wrong in this world? Hopefully in your eyes and all Nadal fans, yes?
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
On 2011 clay, it would have been a different story. And overall, clay in the 21st Century has been more kind to the big servers than the 90s clay was.

we all know you are clueless about tennis in general

Here is a clue : FO 96 was pretty fast as well ....... you know of google ? use it ...
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
So you are saying Sampras would have been a regular RG semi-finalist in the Fedal era. I can see that.

no, I'm saying 96 FO was faster than most of the FOs in 2000s and sampras wouldn't sniff the FO in this era either , he may have made 2 or maybe 3 semis, but that's it ......wouldn't have a chance vs federer or nadal at RG .....
 
no, I'm saying 96 FO was faster than most of the FOs in 2000s and sampras wouldn't sniff the FO in this era either , he may have made 2 or maybe 3 semis, but that's it ......wouldn't have a chance vs federer or nadal at RG .....

Most? That's a dicey guesstimate. But I'm sure we can agree 2011 was faster, and that is the point of this thread, 2011.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
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Yes, I absolutely agree with the controversial yet brilliant hypothesizations by the fertile mind of the esteemed OP.

Pete Sampras would have beaten Nadal at all the recent FO's if he had played in place of Roger. He would have 7 RG's by now, no 8, he would have won the one Roger won too.

Even post-prime Sampras would have humiliated Nadal. Great thread as always, dear NSK. I am so proud of you, buddykins.
 
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Yes, I absolutely agree with the controversial yet brilliant hypothesizations by the fertile mind of the esteemed OP.

Pete Sampras would have beaten Nadal at all the recent FO's if he had played in place of Roger. He would have 7 RG's by now, no 8, he would have won the one Roger won too.

Even post-prime Sampras would have humiliated Nadal. Great thread as always, dear NSK. I am so proud of you, buddykins.

Perhaps 2011 Roland Garros, because I consider that Nadal's worst form. Maybe 2009, and that would come down to Sampras vs Federer. But Nadal would win 2012, no doubt, and the many other years I'm happy to say.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Most? That's a dicey guesstimate. But I'm sure we can agree 2011 was faster, and that is the point of this thread, 2011.

its been almost 16 years since then. Maybe 2011 was slightly faster, so what ? he would not not get bagelled in the semi, but that's about it ..... :)

he'd still lose to any one of the 3 for sure - nadal, federer, djoker and maybe to a bunch of others as well ....
 

bullfan

Legend
We all recall how the balls and conditions allowed Roland Garros to play very fast in 2011. People were even speculating that Federer may beat Nadal in the final that year. Given how slow the 1990s clay was by comparison, and given that even then Sampras made the 1996 semis....do you think Sampras would have won Roland Garros 2011? (and also extend that question to the last 5 years....would Sampras have won? I suspect he would have won 2009)
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This is a stupid thread, not sure why it was started.
 

kishnabe

Talk Tennis Guru
I would agree Sampras had to deal with better clay court players in total. The clay field the last decade had been weak.

Nadal is lucky that he didn't have to deal with Ferrero in his prime, Guga getting him Surgery, and Coria losing his form.

90's clay was the best field on Clay. Had Sampras had the competition that Nadal had.....surely Sampras would have won at least 2 RG.
 
If Sampras played from 2005-2012 he'd most likely lose to Nadal just as Federer has, but he'd have a shot in 2009 and a chance to beat Nadal in 2011.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Most? That's a dicey guesstimate. But I'm sure we can agree 2011 was faster, and that is the point of this thread, 2011.

The 1996 French Open had hot and dry conditions, which made it one of the fastest French Opens. Also, like in 2011, they used different balls in 1996. The big tournament favourite, Muster, was beaten in the Round of 16 by Stich, and 3 of the 4 semi finalists were primarily serve and volleyers (Stich, Rosset and Sampras, with only Kafelnikov being primarily a baseliner amongst the semi finalists).

Kafelnikov won the 1996 French Open, dropping just 1 set in the tournament, and that was a tiebreak set in the quarter finals against Krajicek. Krajicek was another serve and volley player who made it deep into that French Open, and would win Wimbledon a month later.
 
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The 1996 French Open had hot and dry conditions, which made it one of the fastest French Opens. Also, like in 2011, they used different balls in 1996. The big tournament favourite, Muster, was beaten in the Round of 16 by Stich, and 3 of the 4 semi finalists were primarily serve and volleyers (Stich, Rosset and Sampras, with only Kafelnikov being primarily a baseliner amongst the semi finalists).

Kafelnikov won the 1996 French Open, dropping just 1 set in the tournament, and that was a tiebreak set in the quarter finals against Krajicek. Krajicek was another serve and volley player who made it deep into that French Open, and would win Wimbledon a month later.

So if 2011 is similar to 1996, then Sampras may well have won 2011 or at least made the final.
 
Nope, depending on the draw he could make the semis but would have lost to the big three.

That is only one scenario. And if Sampras was on tour then that means Federer/Djokovic wouldn't be winning many Wimbledon/US Open titles. Nadal would be the only guy relatively unaffected by Sampras, because Nadal would still be winning clay titles each year. So Sampras and Nadal would be ranked one and two. So that means Sampras wouldn't meet Nadal until the final. Sampras vs Federer SF would be interesting on clay. Sampras vs Djokovic, will be interesting because Djokovic blocks returns back at a comfortable serve-volleying height, and Sampras would enjoy that.
 
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jackson vile

G.O.A.T.
We all recall how the balls and conditions allowed Roland Garros to play very fast in 2011. People were even speculating that Federer may beat Nadal in the final that year. Given how slow the 1990s clay was by comparison, and given that even then Sampras made the 1996 semis....do you think Sampras would have won Roland Garros 2011? (and also extend that question to the last 5 years....would Sampras have won? I suspect he would have won 2009)
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The FO is much faster now than it ever was before, especially the last few years not counting this one. It would give him a much higher degree of likelihood.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
That is only one scenario. And if Sampras was on tour then that means Federer/Djokovic wouldn't be winning many Wimbledon/US Open titles. Nadal would be the only guy relatively unaffected by Sampras, because Nadal would still be winning clay titles each year. So Sampras and Nadal would be ranked one and two. So that means Sampras wouldn't meet Nadal until the final. Sampras vs Federer SF would be interesting on clay. Sampras vs Djokovic, will be interesting because Djokovic blocks returns back at a comfortable serve-volleying height, and Sampras would enjoy that.

actually federer would be 1, nadal and sampras might switch b/w 2 and 3 .....as federer at his peak is better and more consistent than sampras on every surface ....

and sampras would have absolutely zero chance of beating the federer who turned up in the semis vs djoker ....ditto vs any nadal on clay unless nadal is badly injured ...
 
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abmk

Bionic Poster
So if 2011 is similar to 1996, then Sampras may well have won 2011 or at least made the final.

dumbo, he got bagelled by kafelnikov , kafelnikov. what makes you think he'd stand a chance vs the superior CCs in nadal, federer ( & djoker ) .....
 

fed_rulz

Hall of Fame
dumbo, he got bagelled by kafelnikov , kafelnikov. what makes you think he'd stand a chance vs the superior CCs in nadal, federer ( & djoker ) .....

abmk, please don't feed the troll. it's pretty obvious that NSK is making these brain-dead threads to rile up Federer fans. no amount of reasoning is going to help, because he darn well knows the facts, something which he uses to selectively misinterpret.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
abmk, please don't feed the troll. it's pretty obvious that NSK is making these brain-dead threads to rile up Federer fans. no amount of reasoning is going to help, because he darn well knows the facts, something which he uses to selectively misinterpret.

he doesn't even know most of the facts .....

I just want to see how much more he goes on after getting ridiculed and humiliated time and again ..... :)
 
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