Dr Cortorro"Nadal will be 100% in 3-4 weeks"

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
No he wasn't. Cahill said Nadal was "fine" and that he was mentally unable to play. Nadal couldn't move or bend. He was NOT fine. Maybe he wasn't "terrible" but he wasn't going to win the tournament, so better to fully recover rather than keep exacerbating the problem, lose, and then still be badly off for the hard court season.

Where on earth do you get your conclusion from that poorly translated article anyway? Nowhere does it state "Nadal is in perfect condition to play, he just doesn't want too." It clearly states 1 month for recovery, which is the time period Nadal gave when he pulled out.

You're just trying to stir up trouble by making giant leaps in logic. Cahill was completely wrong.
It's not like Nadal is renowned for his "weak mental" and habit of "chickening out " in front of adversity!
Of course, his tendonitis has a mental impact (as Toni said, he's more worried about his knee than what is happening on the court) but implying that the mental difficulties prevail or are not directly related to the physical disturbance is plain silly.
 

T. H. Park

Professional
This is what's going to be funny and stupid at the same time:

Scenario 1:
Rafa recovers "fully" ready for the USO. He says in his interviews he is fine. He goes deep. He wins the open. Response by Rafa fans: "see when he is 100% then no-one can beat him ..."

Scenario 2:
Rafa recovers "fully" ready for the USO. He says in his interviews he is fine. He loses during the first week. He kind of says, after the loss, that he wasn't feeling the ball, was making too many short shots, and made it "easy" for "Toddlering." Response by Rafa fans: "The only reason he lost is because he was not 100% fit and his knees are not fully functional."

Am I right?
 

Nadal_Freak

Banned
This is what's going to be funny and stupid at the same time:

Scenario 1:
Rafa recovers "fully" ready for the USO. He says in his interviews he is fine. He goes deep. He wins the open. Response by Rafa fans: "see when he is 100% then no-one can beat him ..."

Scenario 2:
Rafa recovers "fully" ready for the USO. He says in his interviews he is fine. He loses during the first week. He kind of says, after the loss, that he wasn't feeling the ball, was making too many short shots, and made it "easy" for "Toddlering." Response by Rafa fans: "The only reason he lost is because he was not 100% fit and his knees are not fully functional."

Am I right?
No you are not.
 

T. H. Park

Professional
No you are not.

OK, then tell me what it's going to be. What will be your opinion when Rafa

1.Wins AND says he is feeling fine BEFORE the match

2.Loses early AND says he is feeling fine BEFORE the match

3.Loses deep into the draw AND says he is feeling fine BEFORE the match

I can predict what you are going to say pretty easily.

1.See, he won because he is "100%"
2.See, he lost because he is not "100%"
3.See, when he won before he lost he was "100%" but dropped in the final match

No?
 

Nadal_Freak

Banned
OK, then tell me what it's going to be. What will be your opinion when Rafa

1.Wins AND says he is feeling fine BEFORE the match

2.Loses early AND says he is feeling fine BEFORE the match

3.Loses deep into the draw AND says he is feeling fine BEFORE the match

I can predict what you are going to say pretty easily.

1.See, he won because he is "100%"
2.See, he lost because he is not "100%"
3.See, when he won before he lost he was "100%" but dropped in the final match

No?
I don't know what my reaction would be but I'm more likely to try to prove that Nadal is 100% now to prove all the haters that Nadal isn't done.
 

rommil

Legend
I don't know what my reaction would be but I'm more likely to try to prove that Nadal is 100% now to prove all the haters that Nadal isn't done.

Wait 'til Nadal's body can handle his greed again and I'm sure you will be rubbing it on to our faces
 

FiveO

Hall of Fame
Interesting. Rafa may be in better shape than usual for the US Open.

A possibility. And perhaps part of Uncle Toni's master plan to attain a career slam.

But on another note. Tendonitis is a fickle thing, often taking twice as long to beat than to develop. That this appears to have manifested itself with Rafa annually, chronically for several years, I think leaves room for much greater concern. Chronic tendonitis leads to scar tissue. If so the only long term corrective measure is surgery: no small thing. In light of this latest bout rearing its ugly head so early in the year and became so bad as to force sacrificing the defense of the title Rafa has said was the most important, I think it may bode more badly, and far worse than the good Doctor's optimistic prognosis.

I'm not intimating that this is the end for Rafa, but I think reactions like "its just tendonitis" are more than a little unrealistic. Patrick Rafter walked away by most reactions, prematurely, giving the reason that he wanted to be able to walk without a limp later in life. I hope it's not that bad for Rafa, I just think that the potential seriousness of tendonitis, particularly in the knees, and particularly in a player of Rafa's ilk, is being glossed over here.

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CCNM

Hall of Fame
Wise decision. I don't think Nadal needs to grind week in and week out to keep or regain a #1 ranking. He achieved that goal, and I don't think his style is conducive to holding it for the kind of period Federer did. That said, I think a Nadal who takes care of himself and comes in as the #3 - #5 seed because he plays the minimum number of events would be a nightmare for Federer.

I'd like to see him play the minimum amount of tournaments, and a few smaller ones that will be easier on his body, using them as Federer does as mere practice for the majors. Frankly, if he wins 1 or 2 slams a year for the next 4 years, it will be much more valuable to him in the long run than holding the top ranking. If he goes deep into every tournament he enters because he's taking better care of himself, he's still going to hold on to enough ranking points to be in the top 5.

That way, we can enjoy his tennis at events we actually want to watch for at least 5 more years. Tennis will be boring without him. He has a unique game that frustrates the heck out of all of his opponents when he's fit...
Good post^
 

T. H. Park

Professional
I don't know what my reaction would be but I'm more likely to try to prove that Nadal is 100% now to prove all the haters that Nadal isn't done.

That is my point. Your reaction should simply be: the other guy played too good for Rafa that day. Best player won. Period. Get it? I guess you don't.

Soderling soundly beat Rafa at RG 09. It was not because Rafa was not 100%. It may have been that Rafa was not 100% - that's his problem. He did just fine in the earlier rounds. Soderling would've beaten the best version of Rafa on that day had the best version of Soderling shown up that day.

BTW Rafa is not 100% now. That is why he pulled out. He may return to 100% at the USO but that 100% will drop again due to his chronic knee problems. So unless you have a one match tournament with one set only, you will basically never see a consistent 100% Rafa - that is TOTAL BS.

But that's the whole point. He never was or is ever going to be 100%. What in the world does 100% even mean? You do your best on a given day and you beat your opponent if you play better. If you are not "100%" you somehow find a solution with your options, backup plans, etc. that you have. This is the primary reason I say Rafa is one-dimensional. If that one dimension fails, he basically fails as he has not other "reliable and effective" dimension to jump to. End of story.
 

slicefox

Banned
well it just exposes how mentally weak nadal really is. It's obvious now that the soderling defeat has killed him off psychologically. Also, it just show's how much respect he has for wimbledon and his fan's. Sad situation, very sad. I thought nadal would be the last person to pull a stunt like this.

actually a valid point

nadal was supposed to be "tough boy" and never pull out
 

random guy

Professional
I don't know if you're aware but the name Dr Cotorro is kinda of funny in spanish. Is like saying Dr Parrot or Dr Chatterbox or something like that lol.
 

GameSampras

Banned
If Nadal were smart he was just turn to the "slam guy" kind of like how Roger is now. All emphasis place purely on the slams instead of the week in week out grind and meangingless tourneys. Then hopefully, he wont be sitting in a wheelchair at a retirement home at 26 years old.

Terrible scheduling by Nadal and his group. After winning the AO, playing the longest match in AO history then going 5 sets with Roger, next thing u know 5 days later he is on the court playing again.
 

The-Champ

Legend
That is my point. Your reaction should simply be: the other guy played too good for Rafa that day. Best player won. Period. Get it? I guess you don't.

Soderling soundly beat Rafa at RG 09. It was not because Rafa was not 100%. It may have been that Rafa was not 100% - that's his problem. He did just fine in the earlier rounds. Soderling would've beaten the best version of Rafa on that day had the best version of Soderling shown up that day.


How the hell do you know that? Where are Söderlings FO slams? When rafa is playing his best on clay, Söderling eats bagels and breadsticks. If he ever faces Nadal at RG again and can produce the same result, then you might have a case, otherwise that was a freakin fluke.

That would be like saying Nadal is superior to Federer on HC because he beat him this year at the AO, or Nadal is superior to Federer on grass because he beat him last year.
 

T. H. Park

Professional
How the hell do you know that? Where are Söderlings FO slams? When rafa is playing his best on clay, Söderling eats bagels and breadsticks.
Because Soderling won that match and HE went to the finals of RG 09. Rafa fell out in the quarters. What more proof do you need? Why are we comparing slams anyway? Rafa is light years away w.r.t. Soderling in terms of slams and accomplishments. That is not the issue here is it?

If he ever faces Nadal at RG again and can produce the same result, then you might have a case, otherwise that was a freakin fluke.

You do somewhat have a point I must say. But you are way to harsh to call it a fluke. I did not say Soderling will now win x number of slams. He many never win any for that matter. Soderling beat a lot of good players on the way to the finals (Ferrer, Davy, Gonzo, etc.), and as far as I am concerned he beat the best clay court player ever very convincingly. No fluke. No such thing as fluke IF you get to the finals. You play 2 weeks of competitive tennis. One match, maybe, but one match in a 5-setter? Flukes are basically impossible. That's why Federer and Nadal are usually so much better than everyone else at GSs - they are 5-setters.

That would be like saying Nadal is superior to Federer on HC because he beat him this year at the AO, or Nadal is superior to Federer on grass because he beat him last year.

Of course Rafa has the upper hand when those two play - on any court. This was proven. The results speak for themselves. The last few times they have met Rafa has won. Simple fact. Also simple fact is that Nadal did not win RG 09 nor will he win Wimbledon 09. His chances for USO 09 is also not good as he has never gone to the finals and on top of that, as far as his record is concerned, he is having the most terrible one in his career.

So, yes, Rafa was ahead of Federer until RG 09, but after and during RG 09, not so any more. Yes?
 
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