energy bars a joke?
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WildVolley
Legend
Perhaps it doesn't have as much caffeine, or caffeine in liquid form enters your system more rapidly?
rdis10093
Hall of Fame
yeah, but when you drink like a monster extra strength or red line you get that like "thump" in your heart that feels good.
the only problem is though that these things are not that good for you I think. red line make you sweet like crazy, you can see your veins and is known for making people fail drug test. is there anything better for you that can still give you that push or just fake energy bars.
the only problem is though that these things are not that good for you I think. red line make you sweet like crazy, you can see your veins and is known for making people fail drug test. is there anything better for you that can still give you that push or just fake energy bars.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
It's more mis-use than anything.
Kind of like guys downing gatorade and misc energy drinks when they aren't even breaking a sweat in the gym.
Kind of like guys downing gatorade and misc energy drinks when they aren't even breaking a sweat in the gym.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Well my post wasn't directed at gatorade itself, and whether or not it does what it advertises to do.
I was simply saying, if you're not breaking a sweat, then you don't need to replenish no electrolytes. Like you said, at the point, it's just carbs and sugar.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
Why not Cheerios?
WildVolley
Legend
Why not just take espressos without sugar? That's probably decent for your health as long as you don't overdo it. Most likely the rush is from caffeine and sugar in the energy drinks.
These days a lot of people are faking ADD in order to get amphetamine prescriptions from doctors. That should give you an even better rush, but don't believe it isn't terrible for your health.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
1 cup Cheerios has 20 grams of carbs. 1/2 cup Grape-Nuts has 49 grams of carbs from grains.
I still say Froot Loops.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Mo sugar, Mo problems
More accurately, typically energy bars do not contain stimulants such as caffeine or the metabolites (the three dimethylxanthines - theophylline being a popular one). There are exceptions to this, however those are generally labeled as such (lets neglect the contribution from things like GTE or coffee flavoring, which are standard <10mg/g). However, they contain a mix of P/C/F - that is an energy source (kcal).
Stimulants != Nutritional Energy. The two are not synonymous, and can not be interchanged.
That 'buzz' or thump you're feeling is caused by a sudden rise in stimulant activity in your body - with something like red line, that's mostly attributed to caffeine and yohimbine (think ECY - Y in particular has been off putting for a number of people, reactions aren't always too smooth, hence why EC was popular). Evodiamine doesn't help it out either... take that, blood pressure!
Redline (VPX Sports) is sugar free I think, but take a look at the back of a can of a regular drink (rockstar, monster, etc) - 60g of sugar a can? I can't remember; something horrendous.
Just my thoughts on it...
charliefedererer
Legend
There is 160 grams of caffeine in a 16 ounce can of Monster.
(For comparison, there is only 34 grams in a 12 ounce can of Coke, 100 mg in a 12 ounce McDonal's coffee, and 150 mg in a 16 ounce Starbucks Latte.)
For those feeling drowsy, caffeine can provide me a pick me up.
Too much caffeine though, can cause lead to a feeling of nervous energy and difficult concentrating - not what you want on a tennis court.
Here is what the USTA booklet on Recovery In Tennis has to say:
"Caffeine is a naturally occurring stimulant
that can be found in coffee, tea, caffeinated
soda, and chocolate in dosages typically
between 30-200mg of caffeine. A large
strong coffee could have more than 200mg
of caffeine. Although caffeine has been
studied extensively in many sports, showing
a multitude of physical improvements in
strength, power, speed and endurance, the
data is limited in tennis players. The few
studies that have been conducted have not
shown positive performance improvements in
tennis players. Recent research on caffeine
and dehydration show limited evidence
of caffeine having a negative response
to thermoregulation or hydration status
in dosages between 300-400mg per day.
However, caffeine is not a supplement that is
recommended for tennis play or competition,
but under appropriate guidance, may have
some positive effects for off-court training
for adult players. Large dosages (>500mg per
day) need to be discouraged, as this could
have detrimental effects on heart rate, fine
motor control, technique, over-arousal and
hydration level. Not enough data is available
on children and thus caffeine should not be a
supplement used by junior tennis players."
Energy, like many words has multiple meanings.
The "energy" in a Cliff bar does not apply to the stimulant effect exhibited by caffeine.
It applies to the caloric energy supplied - calories being a measure of food energy.
Our muscles need the energy from food to move and recover.
The USTA Recovery in Tennis booklet provides information on food to prepare you for play and to help you recover. http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/recovery_project_coaches_booklet.pdf
(For comparison, there is only 34 grams in a 12 ounce can of Coke, 100 mg in a 12 ounce McDonal's coffee, and 150 mg in a 16 ounce Starbucks Latte.)
For those feeling drowsy, caffeine can provide me a pick me up.
Too much caffeine though, can cause lead to a feeling of nervous energy and difficult concentrating - not what you want on a tennis court.
Here is what the USTA booklet on Recovery In Tennis has to say:
"Caffeine is a naturally occurring stimulant
that can be found in coffee, tea, caffeinated
soda, and chocolate in dosages typically
between 30-200mg of caffeine. A large
strong coffee could have more than 200mg
of caffeine. Although caffeine has been
studied extensively in many sports, showing
a multitude of physical improvements in
strength, power, speed and endurance, the
data is limited in tennis players. The few
studies that have been conducted have not
shown positive performance improvements in
tennis players. Recent research on caffeine
and dehydration show limited evidence
of caffeine having a negative response
to thermoregulation or hydration status
in dosages between 300-400mg per day.
However, caffeine is not a supplement that is
recommended for tennis play or competition,
but under appropriate guidance, may have
some positive effects for off-court training
for adult players. Large dosages (>500mg per
day) need to be discouraged, as this could
have detrimental effects on heart rate, fine
motor control, technique, over-arousal and
hydration level. Not enough data is available
on children and thus caffeine should not be a
supplement used by junior tennis players."
Energy, like many words has multiple meanings.
The "energy" in a Cliff bar does not apply to the stimulant effect exhibited by caffeine.
It applies to the caloric energy supplied - calories being a measure of food energy.
Our muscles need the energy from food to move and recover.
The USTA Recovery in Tennis booklet provides information on food to prepare you for play and to help you recover. http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/recovery_project_coaches_booklet.pdf
charliefedererer
Legend
Steer absolutely clear from caffeine before a hard workout. That "thump" you're feeling in your heart rate and blood pressure increasing. The latter is also the same reason why you become more vascular (veiny). Caffeine gives you zero muscular energy whatsoever and in exercise serves only to increase your rate of metabolism (fine if you're using it as a weight loss supplement, terrible if you need legit energy for endurance). It, along with guarana and taurine also act as diuretics (technically taurine is used to increase "focus", not be a stim or diruretic) so you end up losing water that you very much need. If you want real energy in a pinch, look at Hammer or GU gels. They're a blend of complex carbs and amino acids without any caffeine. The former especially will perk you right up.
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Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Anyone remember the ECA stack? Get pumped, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZqfUzax3kE
rdis10093
Hall of Fame
why is redline made for working out then though? is anyone else on her familar with it? it is different though, because you have to be 18 to buy it and you can't be ten lbs over weight if you consume it. why would a coperation make a product that is made for working out if you cant be overweight to use it. I still dont understand the physics of it.
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Because it is effectively a fat burning stack in drink form. Your four big fat burning supple ments are E,C,A and Y. That's Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin and Yohimbine/Yohimbe. In combination, they are usually ECA and ECY. The aspirin is used because ephedrine and caffiene is a strong vasoconstrictor. Aspirin helps to counteract this or in other words, lets you get the benefit of the stims without the heart problems. ECY, however, is rarely recommended anymore because it's simply too potent. The redline drink is a highly concentrated CY drink. Although you don't need to be 18 to buy it (http://www.amazon.com/Redline-Energy-Drink-Grape-bttls/dp/B0018C2RKK), it's not recommended for sale to the very overweight because it is actually dangerous unless you understand its contents. If you have any form of heart or neurological condition, it's misleading to simply label it an energy drink because they do not disclose the amount of each ingredient. When you're overweight, you're more likely to have elevated blood pressure as it is. These two stacks are meant for athletes who need to cut a relatively small amount of fat in a shorter period of time, NOT for people who simply want to lose weight. They would not be cardiovascularly fit enough in most cases.
If you're wondering how I know this, yes, I tried many MANY fat loss tricks in my day including the above two. Pop a vasopro ephedrine and a no-doz and go for a swim, and you'll be freaking buzzing. I don't recommend this.
If you're wondering how I know this, yes, I tried many MANY fat loss tricks in my day including the above two. Pop a vasopro ephedrine and a no-doz and go for a swim, and you'll be freaking buzzing. I don't recommend this.
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KineticChain
Hall of Fame
Its simple.. energy drinks contain drugs (stimulants) that make you a bit jittery. Despite their name they do not provide much actual energy other than the sugars. You drink "energy drinks" to remain alert, you do not drink them for a source of caloric energy.
Energy bars, on the other hand, are food that your body can break down for energy. Energy bars don't contain the stimulants that energy drinks do.
Moral of the story.. if you're about to play a match or engage in any kind of activity that demands a lot of energy.. eat some food. Energy bars are food that typically contain a lot of calories that you're body can use for energy.
Energy bars, on the other hand, are food that your body can break down for energy. Energy bars don't contain the stimulants that energy drinks do.
Moral of the story.. if you're about to play a match or engage in any kind of activity that demands a lot of energy.. eat some food. Energy bars are food that typically contain a lot of calories that you're body can use for energy.
colowhisper
Semi-Pro
Pvaudio. Do you know if the 5 Hour Energy stuff has the same ingredients and warning? I down one of those occasionally before a match and feel like a
I get a "buzz" of alertness and energy. The reason I like them is the amount of fluid is so small, can't imagine drinking a whole can of sweet tasting drink and then exercising.
I get a "buzz" of alertness and energy. The reason I like them is the amount of fluid is so small, can't imagine drinking a whole can of sweet tasting drink and then exercising.
Liability protection. If someone doesn't meet those conditions and take it anyways, it helps them should problems occur. This is particularly big with children who take this and/or similar products. Recommending products to children is a liability nightmare. Same with the 10lbs over or more; they still expect that people will take it - and they don't really expect any problems to normally occur... but enough users, and lawsuits will pop up.
5 hour energy does not contain Y, assuming that there is no contamination of product. For the most part, it is just a caffeine source, with some niacin (B3), a large B12 hit (useless), glucoronolactone & malic acid (think krebs).
SNS said:
From a supplement company, SNS Nutrition's writeup on their glucuronolactone 500mg/cap.
5-hour energy is a complete sham in my opinion because they lie blatantly. They say, or said, that the shots have no caffeine in them. Each bottle has more than twice the caffeine than a cup of black coffee or that of a caffeine tablet. I personally would not take caffeine before exercising unless you mean to take a caff supplement, but that's another conversation entirely.
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