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Sorry.Stop getting obsessed with other players. The discussion is between Becker and Edberg.
Sorry.Stop getting obsessed with other players. The discussion is between Becker and Edberg.
Except for Edberg's far greater number of weeks at #1 (72 v 12) and 2 Y/E #1s v 0.
yearend exhibition championship
does anyone remember how many did borg or laver bother to win?
Most people have Edberg ahead, wth are you talking about? Lol.
You guys can try to talk up the WTF as much as you want, it never was and never will be even close to slams in importance. Once Nadal gets #21 (hopefully next year), nobody will give a f*ck about WTF.
How many rivers will you cry when Nadal alone has the slam record?Yeah sure, cry me a river !
Did I ever say nobody gives a f*uck about slam?How many rivers will you cry when Nadal alone has the slam record?
You can substitute "slam" with a variety of things, like "RG Title", "H2H", "Olympics Gold", "Masters Titles", "# of weeks at #1", etc. Having a YEC championship is not a requisite for anything.Did I ever say nobody gives a f*uck about slam?
You can substitute "slam" with a variety of things, like "RG Title", "H2H", "Olympics Gold", "Masters Titles", "# of weeks at #1", etc. Having a YEC championship is not a requisite for anything.
I'm still wondering how many rivers you will cry if that happens.
Yes, the YEC is a hole in Nadal's resume, but Fed and Djokovic also have holes in their resumes.
says the Nadal fanboy. would've said the opposite if defending former "favorite" Sampras.
Yes, Borg won 2.
Masters started in 1970 and only started booming/overtaking WCT finals in importance from late 70s onwards.
You are welcome.
Are you being dense on purpose? YEC titles don't judge GOAThood on their own, but they are a factor. Give me 3 players with Becker's exact resume except one of them has 0 YEC titles. Who gets ranked last out of them?It is never even mentioned Becker won 3 Masters titles. Nobody puts him ahead of agassi or edberg for instance
And nobody cares about that except Nadal haters. Really, I NEVER heard anyone being called an ATG for number of WTF titles.Nadal will still have a couple years to win RG, but WTF is getting less and less achievable by the year.
Oh but it matters. It matters a lot...Didn’t the Year End Championships used to be best-of-5 at least in the final? If so, I’d say it mattered more then than it does now.
And nobody cares about that except Nadal haters. Really, I NEVER heard anyone being called an ATG for number of WTF titles.
i never defended pete for his exhibition titles.........tennis is/was always about grandslam titles.........there are a different number of other tournaments which keeps hundreds of pro players busy through the season but the true measure of greatness was always centered around slams........
the tournament is just another masters event given its best of 3 nature, it is actually lesser than a masters event as it is slightly forgiving in the form of a round robin format........it can never be compared to slams which are a true test of ability for men as they have to go through best of 5 starting from round 1 till 7 rounds.........
Depends on who has OG. Ill have OG every day over WTF.Are you being dense on purpose? YEC titles don't judge GOAThood on their own, but they are a factor. Give me 3 players with Becker's exact resume except one of them has 0 YEC titles. Who gets ranked last out of them?
Depends on who has OG. Ill have OG every day over WTF.Are you being dense on purpose? YEC titles don't judge GOAThood on their own, but they are a factor. Give me 3 players with Becker's exact resume except one of them has 0 YEC titles. Who gets ranked last out of them?
Yeah, right, you're all big fans of ONE player - BUT you're all totally unbiased.No, I've been saying this since before Novak even had 2 WTF's. Classic projection.
Your fact, not A fact.The fact that the WTF is apparently (for some) prerequisite for GOAThood, hence the discussion about Nadsy not having it, and you pointing at Borg for having holes in his resume, when his resume (as impressive as it is) is not related to the GOAT debate (again, for those that condone it, I don't) says that it is you who has problems with logic. Then you went one step further, and announced that it is apparently either GOAT, or "nobody" with nothing in between. Two infractions only solidified by the hint for multiple personality issues (the "we").
Good point. OG is a big hole in Fedovic's achievements while WTF is missing in Nadal's.Depends on who has OG. Ill have OG every day over WTF.
What about Agassi v sampras? Interesting to see what people think years later given Sampras had no OG less M1000 and never reached an FO final.Already addressed Edberg, but Agassi is a different case.
Won all 4 slams and the YEC.
Agassi better than Becker on slow HC, fast HC & clay (the 3 slams - AO, FO&USO); Becker is better on grass&indoors
More # of weeks for Agassi as #1. Also has the famous dominating h2h vs Becker.
Better longevity for Agassi (88 RG to 2005 USO are marker points, even with some inconsistency in between). For Becker, 1985 to 1996.
So I don't see an achievements wise case for Becker.
Yes my point is if there are holes to have they are the holes to have.Good point. OG is a big hole in Fedovic's achievements while WTF is missing in Nadal's.
Never made it past the QF at wimbledon.
Only 20 weeks at #1.
3 of his slams came at the AO that no one played at the time.
Not even close to an open era great. More like an open era "meh."
What about Agassi v sampras? Interesting to see what people think years later given Sampras had no OG less M1000 and never reached an FO final.
But Edberg had more weeks at no.1? Past few weeks there have been numerous threads about weeks at no.1 lol.The trolling is getting wearisome. Everyone on the planet puts Becker ahead of Edberg. Just compare their career stats. Same # of slams, but everything else is in Boris' favor.
Bamos Thiem!Yes my point is if there are holes to have they are the holes to have.
Should be a good final today. Thiem to win
Yeah sure, cry me a river !
Reality is it is the most important tournament after the slams.
Lol, no. Only butthurt haters will. Real tennis fans know that slams are the most important tournaments, and he won them all. Nadal in WTF isn't worse than Federer and Djokovic are in RG, just not as lucky as them.
See i have no idea about WTF history or lack of. Most people are the same. Kind of illustrates my point.
Most important slam? LMAO. This is why you shouldn't be taken seriously. Yeah, Federer's best slam is of course the most important.so you decide who real tennis fans are? i watch tennis since 1995, and every player who was considered goat or goat candidate dominated the wtf in his prime, except one player. guess who?
this thread alone has over 400 comments. and there have been many others about nadals failure at the wtf.
nadal has zero wtf, only two wimbledons which is the most important slam, and is many many many weeks behind federer and djokovic abd few others in weeks number 1.
it is impossible to overlook these things.
Me? The ones who'll be crying will be the likes of you after #21
Exactly. See you at #21.
Still, zero WTF. Big hole, big hole.
Most important slam? LMAO. This is why you shouldn't be taken seriously. Yeah, Federer's best slam is of course the most important.
I wonder if RG would be the "least important slam" if Federer had more than 1 title there.
Some Federer fans think their hero deserves more credit for being good on grass than Nadal for being MUCH better on clay. This is honestly sad.
Stop trolling. You just want to bring Nadal down at all cost? Yeah, winning a useless "tournament" which allows the winner to lose a match is more important than winning a 20th slam? Nice joke.
Leave alone the fact that every new RG Nadal wins is a new record in tennis history. 13 titles at a single slam!!! What would 1 WTF do to his legacy? Absolutely nothing. He wouldn't beat any records with this, he wouldn't even get close to any records. Even had he won it nobody would even remember this title after his retires. People would remember 20 slams, 13 RG, all the records on clay and so on. Nobody would remember him for winning 1 WTF. Saying WTF is more important for him than RG is not just ridiculous, it's LUNACY.
Last time I checked it gives 2000 points, just like all the other slams. The fact that it is the oldest slam doesn't change it. You are basically saying that a good player on grass is by default greater than a good player on clay? This sounds like total BS, and you know it. Every player has a favorite surface, and being great on grass isn't any better than being great on clay.wimbledon has always been the most important slam. before federer and after federer.
Nadal can't get every possible record.He actually would achieve the career Super Slam if he won it and would join Agassi as the only two to ever do it.
Not really. The one where your brain should be is way bigger.
Nadal can't get every possible record.
Last time I checked it gives 2000 points, just like all the other slams. The fact that it is the oldest slam doesn't change it. You are basically saying that a good player on grass is by default greater than a good player on clay? This sounds like total BS, and you know it. Every player has a favorite surface, and being great on grass isn't any better than being great on clay.
Typical VB.
Anyone with a brain wouldn't say the WTF is meaningless.
How many tennis fans even heard about this "super slam"? I hear about it just for the second time, first time was somewhere in 2013. On the other hand, every person who follows tennis knows about the 13 RG record. So all that talk about RG not being important for him makes no sense to me.But you said winning it would add nothing to his legacy. A career Super Slam would have been a big deal and gave him something over his rivals.
How many tennis fans even heard about this "super slam"? I hear about it just for the second time, first time was somewhere in 2013. On the other hand, every person who follows tennis knows about the 13 RG record.
First of all, if you didn't notice that was his 20th slam. So far nobody ever won more than that. Also, I don't understand how any slam might not add anything to his legacy. 13 is greater than 12, it is a big question how far he can get there. The numbers are unreal.The RG record was already far out of reach for anyone to ever break even before he won 13 though and I would say at 12, double the amount of Borg, he had already set that mark. Adding another didn't do much for his legacy. It just added another Slam to his count which is great but still if he had won RG and WTF, the WTF title is the one that would have stood out because he would have completed a rare set.
First of all, if you didn't notice that was his 20th slam. So far nobody ever won more than that. Also, I don't understand how any slam might not add anything to his legacy. 13 is greater than 12, it is a big question how far he can get there. The numbers are unreal.
First of all, if you didn't notice that was his 20th slam. So far nobody ever won more than that. Also, I don't understand how any slam might not add anything to his legacy. 13 is greater than 12, it is a big question how far he can get there. The numbers are unreal.
agree doesn't really matter whether it's 13 or 14 (small difference) ,,would be much better to win any other slam for his legacy in the futureIt doesn't add much to his RG legacy is what I mean. You are talking about his RG legacy and having 13 of them. Sure that 13th one took him to 20 to tie the record so in the grand scheme of things it was monumental that he won it but it would have been monumental had he won any of the 4 Slams, not just RG.