Everyone playing garbage this year, Nadal not that great

[BigForehand]

This happened in 2010 as well. Fed playing like garbage, Djokovic playing pretty bad, Murray injured and playing bad, that's why ****** won 3 hardcourt titles this year. No big deal, he's just playing the best of the 4, that's all, doesn't mean he's playing at a very high level.

Let me explain something to you children: The best doesn't mean good. For example, the best tennis player on these boards still sucks (excluding me ofc).

Get it? Good thanks.

 

[ubi1]

This happened in 2010 as well. Fed playing like garbage, Djokovic playing pretty bad, Murray injured and playing bad, that's why ****** won 3 hardcourt titles this year. No big deal, he's just playing the best of the 4, that's all, doesn't mean he's playing at a very high level.

Let me explain something to you children: The best doesn't mean good. For example, the best tennis player on these boards still sucks (excluding me ofc).

Get it? Good thanks.

Nadal is playing great. This thread is about tarnishing his achievements this year.
:evil::twisted:

 

[veroniquem]

I think the top 4 are playing pretty well this USO. Of course Nadal is the only one playing awesome.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Nah, don't think so. More garbage threads this year tho' to be sure.


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[mcenroefan]

This happened in 2010 as well. Fed playing like garbage, Djokovic playing pretty bad, Murray injured and playing bad, that's why ****** won 3 hardcourt titles this year. No big deal, he's just playing the best of the 4, that's all, doesn't mean he's playing at a very high level.

Let me explain something to you children: The best doesn't mean good. For example, the best tennis player on these boards still sucks (excluding me ofc).

Get it? Good thanks.

Nadal is playing well in HC this Summer.

Fed is playing like a 32 year old.....decent but he is going to have trouble being really competitive against the #1 and #2 ranked players (lost movement, stamina, etc).

Nole is playing pretty well but looks a little tired at times and too passive.

Nole and Rafa's match in Montreal was pretty good and, IMO, was very closely fought.

As for AM, I can't figure this guy out....complete enigma.

As for judging how any of them are really playing in a given one-two week span, you will only really know when they play each other b/c their matches against other players are a generally poor indicator of how they will play each other.

As for the rest of the field, well, I would agree that they are very poor relative to other eras.

 

[90's Clay]

Who was playing well in 2006 when Fed dominated?

Who was playing well in 2007 outside of Nadal?

Who was playing well in 2009 after Nadal went out with injury?

 

[NatF]

Who was playing well in 2006 when Fed dominated?

Who was playing well in 2007 outside of Nadal?

Who was playing well in 2009 after Nadal went out with injury?

You're a tool.

2006 - Nadal was playing well on clay and grass. He also played well at the TMC. Roddick was good in the second half of the season and Blake had his peak. Nalbandian was good at the AO and the FO. Davydenko was playing well too.

2007 - Djokovic was playing well throughout. Guys like Roddick, Davydenko, Nalbandian in the indoors season were very solid.

2009 - Djokovic and Murray were better than 2010. Del Potro, Soderling were all playing strong. Roddick had his last hurrah. Davydenko was also solid again this year.

The fact you ommit 2010 from your BS shows what a nob you are. Easily weaker than all those years bar 2006.

 

[90's Clay]

You're a tool.

2006 - Nadal was playing well on clay and grass. He also played well at the TMC. Roddick was good in the second half of the season and Blake had his peak. Nalbandian was good at the AO and the FO. Davydenko was playing well too.

2007 - Djokovic was playing well throughout. Guys like Roddick, Davydenko, Nalbandian in the indoors season were very solid.

2009 - Djokovic and Murray were better than 2010. Del Potro, Soderling were all playing strong. Roddick had his last hurrah. Davydenko was also solid again this year.

The fact you ommit 2010 from your BS shows what a nob you are. Easily weaker than all those years bar 2006.

ROFLMAO.. Nadal playing well on grass. In his 4th grass court tournament EVER? 2006 was EASILY the weakest year of the last 8 years.

Roddick was complete TRASH in 2006. Don't make me laugh. Hewitt was already finished as a top guy.

Nole was pre-puberty in 2007. Murray and Nole in a wheelchair is better than no slam MUG Davydenko.


Murrya was also a slam mug in 2009. It wasn't until last year he finally got his crap together when he hired Lendl

 

[NatF]

ROFLMAO.. Nadal playing well on grass. In his 4th grass court tournament EVER? 2006 was EASILY the weakest year of the last 8 years.

Roddick was complete TRASH in 2006. Don't make me laugh. Hewitt was already finished as a top guy.

Nole was pre-puberty in 2007. Murray and Nole in a wheelchair is better than no slam MUG Davydenko.

You have nothing to back up your statements but bile. So damn butthurt. 2006 weaker than 1996 when Chang made it to #2? Even Nadal of 2006 craps on most of Petes rivals.

It's irrelevent how many grass tournaments Nadal had played, after the first set he played very solid.

Roddick was trash up to Wimbledon. He won Cinncinati, got to the final of the USO and had match points on Federer at TMC. Between Wimbledon and the AO of 07 he was only second in points one to Federer.

Novak played better in 07 than 09/10. Fact. He also played way better in the hardcourt masters in 07 than even this year. As for your last statement he's got a better h2h against Nadal than Murray lol. He actually leads the HC majorly. He's won 3 masters titles beating Nadal in the final for two of them and won a YEC. He's a solid player.

 

[90's Clay]

You have nothing to back up your statements but bile. So damn butthurt. 2006 weaker than 1996 when Chang made it to #2? Even Nadal of 2006 craps on most of Petes rivals.

It's irrelevent how many grass tournaments Nadal had played, after the first set he played very solid.

Roddick was trash up to Wimbledon. He won Cinncinati, got to the final of the USO and had match points on Federer at TMC. Between Wimbledon and the AO of 07 he was only second in points one to Federer.

Novak played better in 07 than 09/10. Fact. He also played way better in the hardcourt masters in 07 than even this year. As for your last statement he's got a better h2h against Nadal than Murray lol. He actually leads the HC majorly. He's won 3 masters titles beating Nadal in the final for two of them and won a YEC. He's a solid player.

1996 Chang was better than Freakin 2006 Roddick. ROFLMAO. Spare me Novak will ya. From 2007-2010 he was clearly underachieving and having mental and physical issues. It wasn't until 2011 he got his crap together as well. It wasn't until last year Murray got his crap together.

I love the biased Fed revisionist thinking. Now all of a sudden Murray and Nole were better than they really were back then

 

[tudwell]

Nole was pre-puberty in 2007

Djokovic was inarguably playing better in 2007 than he was in 2009 and 2010.

 

[NatF]

1996 Chang was better than Freakin 2006 Roddick. ROFLMAO. Spare me Novak will ya. From 2007-2010 he was clearly underachieving and having mental and physical issues. It wasn't until 2011 he got his crap together as well. It wasn't until last year Murray got his crap together.

I love the biased Fed revisionist thinking. Now all of a sudden Murray and Nole were better than they really were back then

Yes but Roddick didn't even the year as #2. Nadal did and Nadal was certainly >> Chang.

Deal with the facts. Novak played well in 07. He beat Nadal and Federer in hardcourt masters that year and made the USO final. He was better than in 2010 which you keep ignoring...

 

[KillerServe]

1996 Chang was better than Freakin 2006 Roddick. ROFLMAO. Spare me Novak will ya. From 2007-2010 he was clearly underachieving and having mental and physical issues. It wasn't until 2011 he got his crap together as well. It wasn't until last year Murray got his crap together.

I love the biased Fed revisionist thinking. Now all of a sudden Murray and Nole were better than they really were back then

Wouldn't matter if Murray and Nole were at their 2012 level in 2006, Fed would have quashed them regardless as he proved at W2012.

 

[TheF1Bob]

Djokovic was inarguably playing better in 2007 than he was in 2009 and 2010.

Compared to 08/09, absolutely. 2010 is about even I think.

2007 level was great (just mentally AWOL).

 

[90's Clay]

Wouldn't matter if Murray and Nole were at their 2012 level in 2006, Fed would have quashed them regardless as he proved at W2012.

No he wouldn't have.. Theres more to the season than Wimbledon (which is indoors mind you which benefitted Roger's win in 2012).

Fed's 2006 season was so ridiculous because the field was so damn AWFUL that year. 2007 wasn't really much better. Slightly better but not much.

And its funny you bring certain names being at the top. Wasn't Blake and Ljubicic near the top around that time? ROFLMAO. Neither one of those guys couldn't even sniff Chang or Rios' or Kafelnikov's jockstraps

Bottom line is if you put even peak Fed in during a time Murray/Nole and Nadal are all on their games, his chances of dominating certainly DECREASE.

He got to avoid Nadal at hardcourt slams during that time. He wouldn't be able to now since Nadal is a MUCH better hardcourt player now. He would also have Nole and Murray standing in his way. He would have essentially beat at least TWO out of the three guys to win every slam. Good luck with that

He wouldn't be facing mugs like Baghaditis or Gonzales or Roddick in the finals. He would be facing BETTER players

 

[ubi1]

No he wouldn't have.. Theres more to the season than Wimbledon (which is indoors mind you which benefitted Roger's win in 2012).

Fed's 2006 season was so ridiculous because was so damn AWFUL that year. 2007 wasn't really much better. Slightly better but not much.

And its funny you bring certain names being at the top. Wasn't Blake and Ljubicic near the top around that time? ROFLMAO. Neither one of those guys couldn't even sniff Chang or Rios' jockstraps

I agree with you here.

 

[MTF07]

Chang was a pretty accomplished player, but Rios? Not so much.

 

[ubi1]

No he wouldn't have.. Theres more to the season than Wimbledon (which is indoors mind you which benefitted Roger's win in 2012).

Fed's 2006 season was so ridiculous because the field was so damn AWFUL that year. 2007 wasn't really much better. Slightly better but not much.

And its funny you bring certain names being at the top. Wasn't Blake and Ljubicic near the top around that time? ROFLMAO. Neither one of those guys couldn't even sniff Chang or Rios' or Kafelnikov's jockstraps

Bottom line is if you put even peak Fed in during a time Murray/Nole and Nadal are all on their games, his chances of dominating certainly DECREASE.

He got to avoid Nadal at hardcourt slams during that time. He wouldn't be able to now since Nadal is a MUCH better hardcourt player now. He would also have Nole and Murray standing in his way. He would have essentially beat at least TWO out of the three guys to win every slam. Good luck with that

He wouldn't be facing mugs like Baghaditis or Gonzales or Roddick in the finals. He wouldn't be facing BETTER players

I couldn't have said this better myself.

 

[MTF07]

No he wouldn't have.. Theres more to the season than Wimbledon (which is indoors mind you which benefitted Roger's win in 2012).

Fed's 2006 season was so ridiculous because the field was so damn AWFUL that year. 2007 wasn't really much better. Slightly better but not much.

And its funny you bring certain names being at the top. Wasn't Blake and Ljubicic near the top around that time? ROFLMAO. Neither one of those guys couldn't even sniff Chang or Rios' or Kafelnikov's jockstraps

Bottom line is if you put even peak Fed in during a time Murray/Nole and Nadal are all on their games, his chances of dominating certainly DECREASE.

He got to avoid Nadal at hardcourt slams during that time. He wouldn't be able to now since Nadal is a MUCH better hardcourt player now. He would also have Nole and Murray standing in his way. He would have essentially beat at least TWO out of the three guys to win every slam. Good luck with that

He wouldn't be facing mugs like Baghaditis or Gonzales or Roddick in the finals. He wouldn't be facing BETTER players

Federer wouldn't "get to avoid" Nadal at the hard court slams? Are you kidding me? It's the other way around. Nadal has been avoiding Federer at his best slams for years.

Federer has had to contend with TWO guys superior the the best guy Pete ever had to face. I wouldn't talk if I were you. Federer would have won 20+ slams in Pete's era.

 

[90's Clay]

Federer wouldn't "get to avoid" Nadal at the hard court slams? Are you kidding me? It's the other way around. Nadal has been avoiding Federer at his best slams for years.

Federer has had to contend with TWO guys superior the the best guy Pete ever had to face. I wouldn't talk if I were you. Federer would have won 20+ slams in Pete's era.

Rafa has a 2-0 record vs. Roger at the AO. And its not Rafa's fault either that Roger was nowhere to be found when Rafa made the finals.


And Sampras contended with Agassi which IMO is a better hardcourt player (in his prime) than ANYONE Roger has faced on hard courts maybe aside from Nole at the AO which is still debatable.

Agassi in his prime considering all varying speeds on hardcourts is better than anyone on tour today.

Not to mention he had Becker indoors ( better than ANYONE on tour today indoors), he had Rafter who was very good at Flushing, arguably just as good as anyone on tour today at Flushing. certainly anyone would have they issues with a peak Rafter on Ashe

 

[MTF07]

Rafa has a 2-0 record vs. Roger at the AO. And its not Rafa's fault either that Roger was nowhere to be found when Rafa made the finals.


And Sampras contended with Agassi which IMO is a better hardcourt player (in his prime) than ANYONE Roger has faced on hard courts maybe aside from Nole at the AO which is still debatable.

Agassi considering all varying speeds on hardcourts is better than anyone on tour today.

Oh, Federer missed Nadal by two points the two years Nadal made the finals? What about the SIX YEARS IN A ROW that Federer made the finals and Nadal was nowhere to be found... i.e., getting demolished by the likes of Ferrer, Murray and Del Potro.

No, Agassi is not better than Murray, Nadal or Djokovic currently, especially not the Agassi that existed during most of Pete's peak years. Heck, people think Fed has been bad this year... Agassi toiled in the 100's during a couple years of Pete's peak. Meanwhile, Pete was feasting on the likes of Todd Martin, Cedric Pioline and Carlos Moya in slam finals.

 

[r2473]

Weak era

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[90's Clay]

Oh, Federer missed Nadal by two points the two years Nadal made the finals? What about the SIX YEARS IN A ROW that Federer made the finals and Nadal was nowhere to be found... i.e., getting demolished by the likes of Ferrer, Murray and Del Potro.

No, Agassi is not better than Murray, Nadal or Djokovic currently, especially not the Agassi that existed during most of Pete's peak years. Heck, people think Fed has been bad this year... Agassi toiled in the 100's during a couple years of Pete's peak. Meanwhile, Pete was feasting on the likes of Todd Martin, Cedric Pioline and Carlos Moya in slam finals.

How is Agassi not better then Murray or Nole? Enlighten me on that one will ya.

Agassi is also better than Nadal on hard courts WITHOUT QUESTION. Better indoors than Rafa. And maybe about the same as Nadal on grass.

 

[ubi1]

Federer wouldn't "get to avoid" Nadal at the hard court slams? Are you kidding me? It's the other way around. Nadal has been avoiding Federer at his best slams for years.

Federer has had to contend with TWO guys superior the the best guy Pete ever had to face. I wouldn't talk if I were you. Federer would have won 20+ slams in Pete's era.

Na there were more clay court specialists and more grass specialists in petes era so fed would have lesser slams actually.:lol:

 

[NatF]

Rafa has a 2-0 record vs. Roger at the AO. And its not Rafa's fault either that Roger was nowhere to be found when Rafa made the finals.

And Sampras contended with Agassi which IMO is a better hardcourt player (in his prime) than ANYONE Roger has faced on hard courts maybe aside from Nole at the AO which is still debatable.

Agassi considering all varying speeds on hardcourts is better than anyone on tour today.

Sampras contended with Agassi? lol what in 1995? And then after Pete's prime had long ended. Give me a break. If Agassi was half as dedicated as Nadal he would have cut out plenty of slams from Sampras. Then maybe the mid-late 90's would have been a strong era.

All the years apart from the ones they actually met at the AO Roger was playing flatout better tennis than Rafa. How did Pete do at the AO when he was 30's years old?

 

[90's Clay]

Sampras contended with Agassi? lol what in 1995? And then after Pete's prime had long ended. Give me a break. If Agassi was half as dedicated as Nadal he would have cut out plenty of slams from Sampras. Then maybe the mid-late 90's would have been a strong era.

All the years apart from the ones they actually met at the AO Roger was playing flatout better tennis than Rafa. How did Pete do at the AO when he was 30's years old?

From the early-mid 90s and 99- on he had to contend with Agassi. While Roger got to avoid Nadal the first 4 years or so of his main run at BOTH hardcourt slams.

Lucky for Roger Nadal didn't truly learn the hardcourt game until Rog was already closing in on the record.

Sampras- Agassi also played at all slams. Fed-Nadal have yet to do so

 

[NatF]

From the early-mid 90s and 99- on he had to contend with Agassi. While Roger got to avoid Nadal the first 4 years or so of his main run at BOTH hardcourt slams.

Lucky for Roger Nadal didn't truly learn the hardcourt game until Rog was already closing in on the record.

Sampras- Agassi also played at all slams. Fed-Nadal have yet to do so

Luckily for Nadal he didn't have to face Peak Federer at the hardcourt slams. Federer is the better hardcourt player, he didn't have to avoid anyone.

Agassi disappeared for most of Pete's prime. Deal with it.

 

[ubi1]

Rafa has a 2-0 record vs. Roger at the AO. And its not Rafa's fault either that Roger was nowhere to be found when Rafa made the finals.


And Sampras contended with Agassi which IMO is a better hardcourt player (in his prime) than ANYONE Roger has faced on hard courts maybe aside from Nole at the AO which is still debatable.

Agassi in his prime considering all varying speeds on hardcourts is better than anyone on tour today.

Not to mention he had Becker indoors ( better than ANYONE on tour today indoors), he had Rafter who was very good at Flushing, arguably just as good as anyone on tour today at Flushing. certainly anyone would have they issues with a peak Rafter on Ashe

Exactly Narrow Minded individuals overlook Pete competition .

 

[Crisstti]

Sure, kinda like when Fed would win 3 slams a year.

 

[Chico]

This happened in 2010 as well. Fed playing like garbage, Djokovic playing pretty bad, Murray injured and playing bad, that's why ****** won 3 hardcourt titles this year. No big deal, he's just playing the best of the 4, that's all, doesn't mean he's playing at a very high level.

Let me explain something to you children: The best doesn't mean good. For example, the best tennis player on these boards still sucks (excluding me ofc).

Get it? Good thanks.

I agree with OP.

 

[NatF]

Sure, kinda like when Fed would win 3 slams a year.

Nope. Like in 2010.

 

[ubi1]

Sure, kinda like when Fed would win 3 slams a year.

Indeed beware of the sadness:lol:

 

[MTF07]

How is Agassi not better then Murray or Nole? Enlighten me on that one will ya.

Agassi is also better than Nadal on hard courts WITHOUT QUESTION. Better indoors than Rafa. And maybe about the same as Nadal on grass.

Nole is pretty close to Agassi already and he has a lot of time left.

Nadal is a better grass court player than Agassi. 2 titles in 5 finals compared to 1 title in 3 finals. Yes, Agassi might have done better on fast grass than Nadal would have if he had played on it, but I don't live in a world of hypotheticals. I live in reality, and Nadal's grass results are better.

 

[keithfival]

Any TT dingbat who thinks Nadal is anything less than one of the all-time greats needs to take Federer's jock strap off their head and stop lying to themselves. Tonight was yet another display of electrifying virtuosity from all over the court. Get the *** over yourselves, the guy is a freaking marvel.

 

[monfed]

Yup when all his rivals are in mugmode/tankmode, Ralph inevitably capitalises. Great strategy. :lol:

 

[Bjorn99]

These guys are grinded down. Now. Its been happening with NHL hockey for quite some time. The demand of playing this game for 12 months of the years, since you were 6 years old is enormous on the internal and external systems.

We measure a tennis player(who shall not be named) bio medically after a five set match. And found his bioelectric levels of internal organs to be that of someone in their eighties. Late eighties.

No of course they recuperate from that over a few hours, but do they completely?

Man wasn't created to stop and start and run like this. Nor was woman.

I love watching tennis, but only once in a while now. I just see how tired and worn down they all are mostly these days.

 

[Backspin1183]

Another garbage thread.

 

[ledwix]

It would be absurd to label 95 mph forehands that bounce like kick serves or full-stretch passes that loop past rushing opponents to any spot on the court as "not that great". Nadal does a lot of things way better than anyone else and deserves a USO title probably this year.

 

[Devilito]

Nadal is a better grass court player than Agassi. 2 titles in 5 finals compared to 1 title in 3 finals. Yes, Agassi might have done better on fast grass than Nadal would have if he had played on it, but I don't live in a world of hypotheticals. I live in reality, and Nadal's grass results are better.

No you don't. Reality is that the grass IS different so you can't say that Nadal is a better grass court player when you have no basis in your opinion.

 

[NatF]

No you don't. Reality is that the grass IS different so you can't say that Nadal is a better grass court player when you have no basis in your opinion.

Nadal has better results. Speculating on how they would fare on the different grass is just that - speculation.

 

[sureshs]

Nadal is not that great. He is just the greatest among anyone who ever played tennis. In the future billion years or so, it is possible a better player than him might show up.

 

[fatichar]

Would Agassi have taken Nole to 5 sets at AO12?

 

[Crose]

OP, do whatever makes you happy. Rafa's gone 57-3 for the season and 20-0 on the surface that people have been counting him out on since his junior days, but yeah, call him "not that great" if it makes you happy.

 

[cknobman]

I think it is a little of both.

Nadal is playing great tennis.

The rest of the guys are not playing that well (relatively speaking that is).

 

[jackson vile]

It's really funny if you think about it. The only time Nadal does well is when there are exceptional circumstances. Well Federer was sick, injured, taken advantage of, etc.. Nole isn't playing so well, that is the only reason Nadal is winning. The courts and balls are just slow this year, but are fast when ever Nadal loses. Nadal takes advantage of match ups, that is is the only reason he wins. And the list goes on...

 

[KillerServe]

It's really funny if you think about it. The only time Nadal does well is when there are exceptional circumstances. Well Federer was sick, injured, taken advantage of, etc.. Nole isn't playing so well, that is the only reason Nadal is winning. The courts and balls are just slow this year, but are fast when ever Nadal loses. Nadal takes advantage of match ups, that is is the only reason he wins. And the list goes on...

Oh but don't omit the very related Nadal only loses when he's injured

 

[fatichar]

Oh but don't omit the very related Nadal only loses when he's injured

Not once in his 7 straight losses to djoker did anyone say that he was injured. Nadal's own words used to be -

"he is playing amazing! But that level can not last forever. So I wait for it to come dkwn a little"

"his return is amazing, no? "

"I have to find solutions. If I find, good. If not, I will be explaining the sixth loss"