Fed Fans - Who would you rather overtake Federer's slam total?

[Jai]

What a surprising poll result

Faker/cheater/a**hole over guy that Federer and majority of tour respects?

TBF, I don't think the results factor in which of his rivals Federer has more "respect" for. Most of the Federer fans I have interacted with personally, would choose option a) only because they have some other metric they can devalue Rafa's record with, and will therefore still claim his legacy falls short of Fed's record even with extra slams.

This is basically a toss up between a) how many people prefer the record to be broken by someone they will always claim had an inferior overall legacy -(reasons cited would be uneven slam distribution, no YEC, far lesser weeks at No.1), and b) Number of people who would prefer the record to be broken by someone with a higher number of weeks at #1, higher number of year ending No.1, winning all Masters twice, 5 YEC, 1 non-calendar Grand Slam-- till date.

Probably since this poll was started 2019, and since then Rafa has already tied with Fed now and Novak is drawing closer, one can expect the results to swing the other way. "Respect" or "popularity" are just terms which are used to cloak the fact that many would not prefer option b) above.

 

[D.Nalby12]

#ABN

 

[Sport]

Hahahaha..I fit the criteria of a Fed fan but I’m also a Djokovic fan so I’ll abstain from voting. I do think it would be more fitting if it were Djokovic because he was able to become a thoroughly dominant player on two surfaces. Also, somewhat tangential but Nadal has one indoor title in over 15 years on tour. Neither Federer nor Djokovic can be neutralized so much by any one set of conditions. It’s tough to conceive of the Open Era’s most accomplished player being so ordinary anywhere.

3 indoor titles: Madrid 2005 (indoor hard), Brazil Open 2013 (indoor clay) and Davis Cup 2019 (indoor hard). Nadal also became the MVP of the 2019 Davis Cup (indoor hard) and reached 2 finals of the Nitto ATP finals. He simply didn't have the luxury of not facing Federer or Djokovic in the final of an ATP final, unlike Federer or Djokovic who won their only RG final by avoiding Nadal in the final. Thus, Nadal is not "ordinary" on indoor condition. In his prime, he was an excellent indoor player who was only stopped by prime Federer and prime Djokovic in the ATP finals.

Such a shame the ATP finals never rotated surfaces between indoor hard, indoor clay and indoor grass. The ATP finals could have rettained the indoor condition but changing surfaces. It would show which player is more all-around on indoor condition regardless of surfaces. Current ATP finals only show which player is more consistent on indoor hard, but not on indoor clay or indoor grass.

P. S.: by your logic, Federer is ultra-ordinary in Montecarlo or Rome, hasn't won the title in over 10 participations in each one. So yes, the most accomplished can be ordinary somewhere. And Djokovic is also quite ordinary at the Olympics. He hasn't even reached the Olympics finals. Federer is also ordinary at the Olympics. Failed to win it in his prime (2004 and 2008) and was destroyed by Murray in the 2012 edition on his favorite surface. All GOAT contenders hace a flaw in their resume, don't try to make it look as if only Nadal has one.

 

[Deleted member 771911]

Nadal. I think Federer has no problem putting up his hand and saying hey he outmatched me, no problem, respect to him.

 

[Sport]

Nadal is only in the conversation because of clay. The majority of the ATP tour he's absent relative to Fed and Djokovic.

And clay is a valid surface. Stop with the clay denialism. If Federer wanted to be the perpetual GOAT, maybe he should have won more RG titles. Now it's too late.

 

[Gary Duane]

2 indoor titles: Madrid 2005 (indoor hard) and Brazil Open 2013 (indoor clay). Nadal also became the MVP of the 2019 Davis Cup (indoor hard) and reached 2 Nitto ATP finals. He simply didn't have the luxury of not facing Federer or Djokovic in an ATP final, unlike Federer or Djokovic who won their only RG final by avoiding Nadal in the final. Thus, Nadal is not "ordinary" on indoor condition. In his prime, he was an excellent indoor player who was only stopped by prime Federer and prime Djokovic in the ATP finals.

Such a shame the ATP finals never rotated surfaces between indoor hard, indoor clay and indoor grass. The ATP finals could.have rettained the indoor condition but changing surfaces. It would show which player is more all-around on indoor condition regardless of surfaces. Current ATP finals only show which player is more consistent on indoor hard, but not on indoor clay pr indoor grass.

P. S.: by your logic, Federer is ultra-ordinary in Montecarlo or Rome, hasn't won the title in over 10 participations in each one. So yes, the most accomplished can be ordinary somewhere. And Djokovic is also quite ordinary at the Olympics. He hasn't even reached the Olympics finals. Federer is also ordinary at the Olympics. Failed to win it in his prime (2004 and 2008) and was destroyed by Murray in the 2012 edition on his favorite surface. All GOAT contenders hace a flaw in their resume, don't try to make it look as if only Nadal has one.

Sport, here's your problem: You are putting a lot of effort into logic and reason here, but this is yet another tribal TW food fight. The people you are talking to are not interested in debate or discussion. If you are being reasonable, you're wasting your time. We all are.

 

[Dilexson]

Novak still. Doesn't matter anymore though lol

 

[TheFifthSet]

3 indoor titles: Madrid 2005 (indoor hard), Brazil Open 2013 (indoor clay) and Davis Cup 2019 (indoor hard). Nadal also became the MVP of the 2019 Davis Cup (indoor hard) and reached 2 finals of the Nitto ATP finals. He simply didn't have the luxury of not facing Federer or Djokovic in the final of an ATP final, unlike Federer or Djokovic who won their only RG final by avoiding Nadal in the final. Thus, Nadal is not "ordinary" on indoor condition. In his prime, he was an excellent indoor player who was only stopped by prime Federer and prime Djokovic in the ATP finals.

Such a shame the ATP finals never rotated surfaces between indoor hard, indoor clay and indoor grass. The ATP finals could have rettained the indoor condition but changing surfaces. It would show which player is more all-around on indoor condition regardless of surfaces. Current ATP finals only show which player is more consistent on indoor hard, but not on indoor clay or indoor grass.

P. S.: by your logic, Federer is ultra-ordinary in Montecarlo or Rome, hasn't won the title in over 10 participations in each one. So yes, the most accomplished can be ordinary somewhere. And Djokovic is also quite ordinary at the Olympics. He hasn't even reached the Olympics finals. Federer is also ordinary at the Olympics. Failed to win it in his prime (2004 and 2008) and was destroyed by Murray in the 2012 edition on his favorite surface. All GOAT contenders hace a flaw in their resume, don't try to make it look as if only Nadal has one.

Not really an accurate encapsulation of any of my arguments.

The indoor HC season makes up a not-so-insignificant part of the year. Nadal has won one indoor HC tournament in his entire career (should have qualified I meant indoor HC, that ones on me.)

Federer and Djokovic have glaring flaws of their own, but they are still all-timers/borderline all-timers on clay despite their relative ineptitude in the odd clay tournament. Nadal, on the other hand, isn’t even Top 30 indoors in the open era.

Which is fine! He’s an excellent on any surface or set of conditions, even indoor HC...when I called him ordinary it’s in a relative sense...I.e relative to other GOAT candidates. This neither disqualifies Nadal from any of the myopic, impossible-to-settle GOAT debates nor does it mean Federer and Djokovic are necessarily even greater. I just have a tough time looking past his (again, relative) ineptitude indoors. Take issue with that, but at least give me a fair shake here.

 

[TheFifthSet]

Sport, here's your problem: You are putting a lot of effort into logic and reason here, but this is yet another tribal TW food fight. The people you are talking to are not interested in debate or discussion. If you are being reasonable, you're wasting your time. We all are.

What the heck?


You serious @Gary Duane? Years of lauding my posts/points and you insult me over a difference of opinion? That’s all it takes, one post you disagree with? Pretty disappointing to see from you.

For what it’s worth I’m fine with any of Fed/Djok/Nadal being this era’s #1 by public consensus. Certainly viable arguments for each; I simply stated why I, as someone that values versatility/roundedness, prefer Federer or Djokovic over Rafa. And I didn’t attempt to pass myself off as an authority on the subject. No harm no foul if anyone disagrees but it’s bizarre that you address me this way after all of the goodwill and overlap in opinion the past half-decade.

 

[daphne]

What the heck?


You serious @Gary Duane? Years of lauding my posts/points and you insult me over a difference of opinion? That’s all it takes, one post you disagree with? Pretty disappointing to see from you.

For what it’s worth I’m fine with any of Fed/Djok/Nadal being this era’s #1 by public consensus. Certainly viable arguments for each; I simply stated why I, as someone that values versatility/roundedness, prefer Federer or Djokovic over Rafa. And I didn’t attempt to pass myself off as an authority on the subject. No harm no foul if anyone disagrees but it’s bizarre that you address me this way after all of the goodwill and overlap in opinion the past half-decade.

Send him location

 

[beard]

It was 1. Before they thought Djokovic was really going to do it. And 2. Before 40-15

Are you saying Fed fans are subjective, change opinion because Novak in mean time showed even bigger greatness beating their guy, and that tennis quality is not that important compared to personal liking...

 

[beard]

I do not know any Federer fan who has much issue with Nadal overtaking him but all the ones i know personally despise Djokovic.

Those tennis "fans" who despise one of the greatest tennis players ever deserve bitter destiny that is waiting in near future... Lol...

 

[beard]

Federer was unlucky. But for injury he could have won AO 2020 W 2020 and AO 2021 and probably USO 2020. Remember he was owning Djokovic AO2020 for half an hour. 2 points from 5-1 wasnt he before his back gave out totally? I think Rafa was unlucky AO 2011 USO 2014 USO 2018 and AO 2014. In some ways it is fate they are tied as it could have been 24-24. Ill be so happy if they split FO and W this year.

Loool...
You should avoid this kind of bs... People could find you even bigger tennis ignorant... Fed first and only win against Novak at AO was 14 years ago, and in the meantime Novak won fc.ng 9 titles beating Fed here and there, hardly losing sets...

 

[beard]

TBF, I don't think the results factor in which of his rivals Federer has more "respect" for. Most of the Federer fans I have interacted with personally, would choose option a) only because they have some other metric they can devalue Rafa's record with, and will therefore still claim his legacy falls short of Fed's record even with extra slams.

This is basically a toss up between a) how many people prefer the record to be broken by someone they will always claim had an inferior overall legacy -(reasons cited would be uneven slam distribution, no YEC, far lesser weeks at No.1), and b) Number of people who would prefer the record to be broken by someone with a higher number of weeks at #1, higher number of year ending No.1, winning all Masters twice, 5 YEC, 1 non-calendar Grand Slam-- till date.

Probably since this poll was started 2019, and since then Rafa has already tied with Fed now and Novak is drawing closer, one can expect the results to swing the other way. "Respect" or "popularity" are just terms which are used to cloak the fact that many would not prefer option b) above.

That's it!

 

[BeatlesFan]

Those tennis "fans" who despise one of the greatest tennis players ever deserve bitter destiny that is waiting in near future... Lol...

What a joke since your entire fan base (except for Hitman and 2 others here) are obsessively unhinged with Fed hate. It's spewed here endlessly 24/7 from the teenagers who live vicariously through Djokovic. It's odd you can't see the irony of your remark. If we adhere to your stated belief, then every single Djokovic fan here (except for three lone souls) deserve a "bitter destiny" for their unending enmity, jealously, envy and loathing of Roger Federer. Right?

 

[BGod]

It's usually Novak because of 3 very good reasons:

1. Novak is the successor generation, yes Nadal is 5 years older but was a teen prodigy so he overlapped somewhat (though clearly came into his own in 08 after Federer had his dominance)
2. All major records, I know theories abound how if Nadal overtakes Slam count he would have a lot more shortfalls in comparison overall but to me that makes it worse. You'd rather Novak overtake Fed as clearly the better resume and so it's just evolution.
3. Rivalry aspect for Nadal. Novak was clearly always a successor to Roger, not a rival in an equal sense. It's like if James surpasses Kobe & Duncan's 5 titles as oppose to either of them having done it.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Are you saying Fed fans are subjective, change opinion because Novak in mean time showed even bigger greatness beating their guy, and that tennis quality is not that important compared to personal liking...

I'm saying it's natural to go for what's less threatening or seems more unrealistic at the time.

 

[Gary Duane]

What the heck?


You serious @Gary Duane? Years of lauding my posts/points and you insult me over a difference of opinion? That’s all it takes, one post you disagree with? Pretty disappointing to see from you.

For what it’s worth I’m fine with any of Fed/Djok/Nadal being this era’s #1 by public consensus. Certainly viable arguments for each; I simply stated why I, as someone that values versatility/roundedness, prefer Federer or Djokovic over Rafa. And I didn’t attempt to pass myself off as an authority on the subject. No harm no foul if anyone disagrees but it’s bizarre that you address me this way after all of the goodwill and overlap in opinion the past half-decade.

Hold on. I don't remember what you said, and I don't think I was responding to you. As I remember I was just expressing my irritation with this forum to someone I often don't agree with. My comment is pretty about about the forum. So let's see what you said:

"Hahahaha..I fit the criteria of a Fed fan but I’m also a Djokovic fan so I’ll abstain from voting. I do think it would be more fitting if it were Djokovic because he was able to become a thoroughly dominant player on two surfaces. Also, somewhat tangential but Nadal has one indoor title in over 15 years on tour. Neither Federer nor Djokovic can be neutralized so much by any one set of conditions. It’s tough to conceive of the Open Era’s most accomplished player being so ordinary anywhere. "

Hmm. I don't know what happened. Probably replied to the wrong post about something I was thinking about the forum. Since Covid I'm tired all the time. For the record, I don't consider Nadal "ordinary" on any surface, if that's what you are saying, just far less dominant than on clay. In other words, if he has 7 slams off clay, isn't that pretty much an ATG career.

But there is a much bigger problem. There are people who actually get angry if you like a post of someone they dislike. Or any comment that is not negative to one person is taken as a slam to someone else who is tangentially part of a longer conversation. I think that's what happened. Sorry if I offended you.

 

[CYGS]

TBF, I don't think the results factor in which of his rivals Federer has more "respect" for. Most of the Federer fans I have interacted with personally, would choose option a) only because they have some other metric they can devalue Rafa's record with, and will therefore still claim his legacy falls short of Fed's record even with extra slams.

This is basically a toss up between a) how many people prefer the record to be broken by someone they will always claim had an inferior overall legacy -(reasons cited would be uneven slam distribution, no YEC, far lesser weeks at No.1), and b) Number of people who would prefer the record to be broken by someone with a higher number of weeks at #1, higher number of year ending No.1, winning all Masters twice, 5 YEC, 1 non-calendar Grand Slam-- till date.

Probably since this poll was started 2019, and since then Rafa has already tied with Fed now and Novak is drawing closer, one can expect the results to swing the other way. "Respect" or "popularity" are just terms which are used to cloak the fact that many would not prefer option b) above.

Truth

 

[beard]

I'm saying it's natural to go for what's less threatening or seems more unrealistic at the time.

That's what I said too... Nothing tennis abilities, style, nothing about love to the game...

PS. My post has nothing to do on Novak vs Rafa subject, both deserve to surpass Fed, and both will...

 

[beard]

What a joke since your entire fan base (except for Hitman and 2 others here) are obsessively unhinged with Fed hate. It's spewed here endlessly 24/7 from the teenagers who live vicariously through Djokovic. It's odd you can't see the irony of your remark. If we adhere to your stated belief, then every single Djokovic fan here (except for three lone souls) deserve a "bitter destiny" for their unending enmity, jealously, envy and loathing of Roger Federer. Right?

Your fan base think of them selves everything good... You should look at mirror before you write something you wrote... Dorian Grey looked at the mirror and saw what he really looks like...

 

[ForehandRF]

It doesn't really matter at the end of the day.He held the records for more than a decade, so who will surpass him is not that important because they are both great players.Both will surpass him, most likely, but I think that one of them will never have the slam record and that one is most likely Djokovic and I am saying this because Rafa is almost a lock at the French in the near future, therefore he will continue to add slams and make sure Novak won't be able to surpass him.

 

[Sunny014]

Djokovic is a more worthy guy to hold the max slams record than Nadal.

I prefer Djokovic.

 

[Beckerserve]

Loool...
You should avoid this kind of bs... People could find you even bigger tennis ignorant... Fed first and only win against Novak at AO was 14 years ago, and in the meantime Novak won fc.ng 9 titles beating Fed here and there, hardly losing sets...

Hardly losing sets? Did u miss this year event? And the courts are faster now and greeneset not plexi.

 

[Beckerserve]

Those tennis "fans" who despise one of the greatest tennis players ever deserve bitter destiny that is waiting in near future... Lol...

Djokovic fans despise Nadal out of jealousy. Do you criticise them?

 

[beard]

Djokovic fans despise Nadal out of jealousy. Do you criticise them?

No, Novak fans don't despise Nadal, I don't... I like Nadal...

 

[Beckerserve]

No, Novak fans don't despise Nadal, I don't... I like Nadal...

Perhaps i get clouded by a couple of Djokovic fans on here who post loads and are a bit disingenious. Apologies for any offence.
I think my dislike to Djokovic could be due to media portrayal of him. However reading some posts here from non Djokovic fans like @BeatlesFan it seems Djokovic is actually a good guy in person. The problem nowadays is lamestream media

 

[Tarkovsky]

Perhaps i get clouded by a couple of Djokovic fans on here who post loads and are a bit disingenious. Apologies for any offence.
I think my dislike to Djokovic could be due to media portrayal of him. However reading some posts here from non Djokovic fans like @BeatlesFan it seems Djokovic is actually a good guy in person. The problem nowadays is lamestream media

As a Serbian and Djokovic fan, I don't really know anyone who hates either Federer or Nadal...haters are always minority, but they are loud so they attract attention