Federer - Cause of Nadal's Loss

[abudhabi tennis]

After seeing how Federer dismantled Nadal at Madrid, i think most players have adopted the same game plan. Focus on Nadals backhand and then hit wide out to his forehand.
Roger used it effectively in Madrid and players are catching up as well.
Nadal knows his games up, and for sure blames Roger for it. Thats why he was so hesitant in naming Federer as the player he would like to see lift the trophy.

 

[Dilettante]

I'd say cause of Nadal's loss was Soderling.

Plans are OK, but you need playing out of your head to make a plan like that work. And Soderling did that too.

 

[TennisandMusic]

Where do people come up with this stuff?

 

[abudhabi tennis]

We come up with such stuff because we are Psychologists/psychiartist in real life and can analyse players behaviour , attitudes, playing patterns etc

 

[Nadal_Freak]

Serving 140mph serves on the line constantly got the job done.

 

[yellowoctopus]

If you go back and watch Murray's match against Nadal in Rotterdam early this year, you will observe a similar strategy being used.

However, I could not clearly see this strategy used by Soderling at Roland Garros. Instead, I simply observed that Soderling was just serving effectively and going for every shot and getting them in, especially at crucial moments.

 

[Dilettante]

We come up with such stuff because we are Psychologists/psychiartist in real life and can analyse players behaviour , attitudes, playing patterns etc

Then, the cause of Nadal's loss could be something like Oedipus complex?







Just kidding.

 

[Dutch-Guy]

After seeing how Federer dismantled Nadal at Madrid, i think most players have adopted the same game plan. Focus on Nadals backhand and then hit wide out to his forehand.
Roger used it effectively in Madrid and players are catching up as well.
Nadal knows his games up, and for sure blames Roger for it. Thats why he was so hesitant in naming Federer as the player he would like to see lift the trophy.

Since when losing 6-4,6-4 is "dismentling"? What 'd you call 6-1,6-3,6-0?

 

[Nadal_Freak]

And lol at saying Federer dismantled Nadal. He converted on the only 2 break points he got the whole match while Nadal didn't convert on his break point opportunities. It was actually a very close match.

 

[Pwned]

Where do people come up with this stuff?

The same place you came up with your 'Nadal played poorly' analysis.

 

[TennisandMusic]

The same place you came up with your 'Nadal played poorly' analysis.

Oh give me a friggin break. You think Nadal played well?

If anyone wants to believe the OP is a psychologist/psychiatrist with such insight as "hit to the backhand, then hit to the forehand" then ok. Have fun.

Some of the stuff on here is just stunning.

 

[abudhabi tennis]

Nadal played his usual game. However other players have caught up and it seems to make his game appear poorly.

Morever i dont buy this fatigue crap, he has only himself to blame for his inability to finish points. He has played nearly as many Sets as Federer at madrid and was "exhausted". And he's only 23 .

 

[Aykhan Mammadov]

I know only one thing - in this tournament participated all stars withour exception including Nadal, Djokovich and etc... And no matter that final will not be between Nadal and Fed. If at this RG Fed becomes champion he will deserve the name of the GREATEST of all times with his 14 slams equal to Petes but with all 4.

IMO Nadal was defeated not because Fed or Soderling invented something extraordinary. Simply he is tired as Fed was tired a few years ago, because humans body can't play tennis continuosly for very long time and defeat always, because tennis is one of the hardest sports.

 

[Dilettante]

Guys.

It's him.

He's here.

 

[Docalex007]

I know only one thing - in this tournament participated all stars withour exception including Nadal, Djokovich and etc... And no matter that final will not be between Nadal and Fed. If at this RG Fed becomes champion he will deserve the name of the GREATEST of all times with his 14 slams equal to Petes but with all 4.

IMO Nadal was defeated not because Fed or Soderling invented something extraordinary. Simply he is tired as Fed was tired a few years ago, because humans body can't play tennis continuosly for very long time and defeat always, because tennis is one of the hardest sports.

You. Are. A. Legend!!!

Nice to see you back.

 

[Nadal_Freak]

Guys.

It's him.

He's here.

tennis-hero?

 

[P_Agony]

Oh give me a friggin break. You think Nadal played well?

If anyone wants to believe the OP is a psychologist/psychiatrist with such insight as "hit to the backhand, then hit to the forehand" then ok. Have fun.

Some of the stuff on here is just stunning.

He didn't play his best, but neither did Fed. I think the stats were actually pretty good for Nadal. He served like 81% (!!!) 1st serves.

 

[obanaghan]

Men's tennis especially has shown that once you fall you almost never get up again. Borg in 1981. McEnroe in 1985. I won't write Rafa off yet but Jim Courier had a run from the 1991 FO win, 1991 US final, 1992 AO win, 1992 FO win, 1993 AO win, 1993 FO final, 1993 W final and then poof he was done. Apparently he was exposed and the other guys started beating him routinely. Mats Wilander had a stellar 1988 winning three and QF at W but after that he disappeared. To their credits,Connors, Agassi, Sampras and Fed had/have dropped and stuck around a bit despite set backs. They each won major titles after a drought. Connors 1982 W and US and 1983 US. Agassi 99 FO and following, Sampras' last US.

Rafa has never impressed me. I don't think he looks that great to be honest. Obviously, he is, but I am glad that others are challenging him. I am curious to see if he can repeat at W or finally play his best in NYC.

 

[ZPTennis]

After seeing how Federer dismantled Nadal at Madrid, i think most players have adopted the same game plan. Focus on Nadals backhand and then hit wide out to his forehand.
Roger used it effectively in Madrid and players are catching up as well.
Nadal knows his games up, and for sure blames Roger for it. Thats why he was so hesitant in naming Federer as the player he would like to see lift the trophy.

I love reading this forum for the absurd amusement. Nadal is 23 or 24 years old but you think his game is up. First time Federer started losing I remember people saying his era was over and that he should retire. :lol:

 

[rafan]

I know only one thing - in this tournament participated all stars withour exception including Nadal, Djokovich and etc... And no matter that final will not be between Nadal and Fed. If at this RG Fed becomes champion he will deserve the name of the GREATEST of all times with his 14 slams equal to Petes but with all 4.

IMO Nadal was defeated not because Fed or Soderling invented something extraordinary. Simply he is tired as Fed was tired a few years ago, because humans body can't play tennis continuosly for very long time and defeat always, because tennis is one of the hardest sports.

Well we have had a lot of time to reflect on that match. I've seen Nadal come out with all guns firing previously. There has been something missing for a few weeks now - yes I think he is tired and I sometimes wonder if he is fed up of being on a treadmill as I think Federer must have been . Is he subconsiously starting to get tired of the whole caboodle. The training, the travelling , the climate changes, the endless promotional things they have to attend and those hotel rooms after a match It might all sound glamourous at first but for a guy who says his favourite place is home and his hobby fishing, he obviously likes the simple life. I just hope we are not seeing another casualty and that a wake up call from Soderling and a rest has sparked him into being the Nadal we all know again. Lets hope so

 

[Rhino]

Yes I think Nadal is developing a Federer complex.

 

[zagor]

After seeing how Federer dismantled Nadal at Madrid, i think most players have adopted the same game plan. Focus on Nadals backhand and then hit wide out to his forehand.
Roger used it effectively in Madrid and players are catching up as well.
Nadal knows his games up, and for sure blames Roger for it. Thats why he was so hesitant in naming Federer as the player he would like to see lift the trophy.

Sorry but the bolded part is an outright lie,Nadal said that aside from Spaniards(his countrymen for chrissakes)he would most like to see Fed win the FO this year.In fact he said that if it weren't for Spaniards he'd root for Fed to win it(I'm paraphrasing).

As for the cause of Nadal's loss at the FO,that was Soderling.At Madrid the cause was Fed,no need to complicate matters further.

 

[Nadal_Freak]

I love reading this forum for the absurd amusement. Nadal is 23 or 24 years old but you think his game is up. First time Federer started losing I remember people saying his era was over and that he should retire. :lol:

Fed should retire though.

 

[Docalex007]

Fed should retire though.

Yeah because being in contention (in finals basically) at every Slam year after year without that having stopped is a reason to retire.

 

[TheTruth]

Well we have had a lot of time to reflect on that match. I've seen Nadal come out with all guns firing previously. There has been something missing for a few weeks now - yes I think he is tired and I sometimes wonder if he is fed up of being on a treadmill as I think Federer must have been . Is he subconsiously starting to get tired of the whole caboodle. The training, the travelling , the climate changes, the endless promotional things they have to attend and those hotel rooms after a match It might all sound glamourous at first but for a guy who says his favourite place is home and his hobby fishing, he obviously likes the simple life. I just hope we are not seeing another casualty and that a wake up call from Soderling and a rest has sparked him into being the Nadal we all know again. Lets hope so

I love your post. It brings something new and interesting. I think you have something here.

 

[emerckx53]

Serving 140mph serves on the line constantly got the job done.

Nothing to be ashamed of...Nadal got overpowered by a player that showed what can happen when a big hitter is on his game. Only happens every so often but there was no stopping the Swede on the day. He dictated the points right from the start and left Nadal no time to recover.

PS. I don't think it was just the serve...I am also not sure whether he even hit 140...

 

[Polaris]

After seeing how Federer dismantled Nadal at Madrid, i think most players have adopted the same game plan. Focus on Nadals backhand and then hit wide out to his forehand.
Roger used it effectively in Madrid and players are catching up as well.
Nadal knows his games up, and for sure blames Roger for it. Thats why he was so hesitant in naming Federer as the player he would like to see lift the trophy.

Sorry about the harshness, but this kind of overanalysis is fairly common on TT where people extrapolate trends based on two or three events, sometimes even one isolated event! Nadal was tired in Madrid and Federer is not exactly a pushover. And he ran into a hot player on a bad day in Paris. That is all.

Well we have had a lot of time to reflect on that match. I've seen Nadal come out with all guns firing previously. There has been something missing for a few weeks now - yes I think he is tired and I sometimes wonder if he is fed up of being on a treadmill as I think Federer must have been . Is he subconsiously starting to get tired of the whole caboodle. The training, the travelling , the climate changes, the endless promotional things they have to attend and those hotel rooms after a match It might all sound glamourous at first but for a guy who says his favourite place is home and his hobby fishing, he obviously likes the simple life. I just hope we are not seeing another casualty and that a wake up call from Soderling and a rest has sparked him into being the Nadal we all know again. Lets hope so

Sorry again, but this is overanalysis as well, typical of fans who read too much into the actions and words of their idol.

 

[emerckx53]

I love your post. It brings something new and interesting. I think you have something here.

Welcome to Federer's world....only Rog had to deal with it for 3 years! not just 18 months...even you Nadal lovers should give The Fed some love for his staying power..even though he is not quite the same he is still No. 2. If that is what we call a failure than we are really messed up..the true test will be when Nadal falls from grace and we see how he handles it? will he stay motivated to get back to the top as Fed is or will he just go away quietly? I hope his body holds up because he could go away as fast as he came..

 

[vtmike]

Oh give me a friggin break. You think Nadal played well?

If anyone wants to believe the OP is a psychologist/psychiatrist with such insight as "hit to the backhand, then hit to the forehand" then ok. Have fun.

Some of the stuff on here is just stunning.

Yeah it sure is! BTW Weren't you the one who said that you know exactly where the ball will land to the inch after it hits your racquet?

 

[Docalex007]

Welcome to Federer's world....only Rog had to deal with it for 3 years! not just 18 months...even you Nadal lovers should give The Fed some love for his staying power..even though he is not quite the same he is still No. 2. If that is what we call a failure than we are really messed up..the true test will be when Nadal falls from grace and we see how he handles it? will he stay motivated to get back to the top as Fed is or will he just go away quietly? I hope his body holds up because he could go away as fast as he came..

3 years??? More like almost 5!

 

[rafan]

Sorry about the harshness, but this kind of overanalysis is fairly common on TT where people extrapolate trends based on two or three events, sometimes even one isolated event! Nadal was tired in Madrid and Federer is not exactly a pushover. And he ran into a hot player on a bad day in Paris. That is all.

Sorry again, but this is overanalysis as well, typical of fans who read too much into the actions and words of their idol.

Noone wants to be wrong more than me. I have learned from life that you have to be prepared for the downslide as well as the ups and look at life realisticly

 

[ShooterMcMarco]

You. Are. A. Legend!!!

Nice to see you back.

Seriously, that guy is my hero

 

[Swissv2]

Quite simply: Soderling had an on day, Nadal had an off day.

Both are professional tennis players.

Period.