GameSampras
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Shaq's the GOAT
. No greater dominant center than Shaq circa 00-02. Except Wilt. But he was playing against white farm midgets in the 60s
Federer: "my talent"
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Shaq's the GOAT
. No greater dominant center than Shaq circa 00-02. Except Wilt. But he was playing against white farm midgets in the 60s
okdude1992
Hall of Fame
T1000;s26 said:
actually i think its the other way around. but there are definately extremist fans on both sides.
anyway to the OP, yes since federer began being challenged consistently by first nadal then djokovic and murray game he hes become increasingly arrogant and his game has suffered imo. he needs to be more hungry to win rather than feel entitled. i hope he can get it together and challenge nadal because otherwise rafa could start dominating... and its always nice to have a variety of champions
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federerdomination
Semi-Pro
Lol. Good example
Serve_Ace
Professional
Haha, did they say how does Roger grip the racket? Maybe his cause his grip causes the racket face to be more closed..? LOL! Yeah with the 2HBH he doesn't look at natural.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
"I'm more talented than everyone else", that's exactly what he said, he said he has an extra gear that not many players have and that he wins because of his talent, that's exactly saying that one is better than the others (where are your reading comprehension skills?). If I say I'm the most intelligent person on the planet, it really doesn't matter if I'm Einstein and whether it's true or not. If I talk this way about myself, it's arrogant, period. Other people should be the ones to tell him about his talent. Gloating about it has no merit whatsoever.
seffina
G.O.A.T.
I find nothing wrong with Federer being self aware regarding his abilities. He didn't attribute his success against Andy to JUST his talent, did he? He said it was also his experience. And then he acknowledges that it doesn't always work out. That talent or experience doesn't mean much during a certain point during the match. It's a long interview. And a fantastic one at that. There's a lot of great analysis of his personal game there. Is Roger confident? Yes. He is confident. He believes he can beat anyone. He believes he can win grand slams. He believes he can be number one again.
I don't really see what's wrong with that. I don't think the whole meek shall inherit the earth thing works in tennis.
I can understand one not liking the self assured style. I can also see how one might take it as arrogance not confidence. But personally I don't see it as arrogant, just someone who knows himself and believes in himself.
I don't really see what's wrong with that. I don't think the whole meek shall inherit the earth thing works in tennis.
I can understand one not liking the self assured style. I can also see how one might take it as arrogance not confidence. But personally I don't see it as arrogant, just someone who knows himself and believes in himself.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
veroniquem;3274783[B said:
Umm, he said that that he has that extra gear that not many players have and that he wins based on his talent and experience. That does not exactly translate into "Im more talented than everyone else."
seffina
G.O.A.T.
Exactly, he said "many" not a gear no one has. Also, he said my talent. Does anyone deny that he has talent? Wouldn't it be stupid to say he doesn't have talent? Him having talent does not mean others do not have talent.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
"Federer's backhand is technically wrong. Wawrinka's is not. A backhand shouldn't be hit by dropping the wrist and turning it up again. But that's what Federer does.
It's as simple as that! There's no way to handle a heavy topspin on a consistent basis by making such a basic error"
This is what someone said in the other thread about why wawrinka was able to handle nadal's topspin to his backhand.
Serve_Ace
Professional
My reading comprehension skills seem to be at a high level than yours, It's true he has that extra gear because of his talent AND experience, he is dominating the whole tour except for two people. I'll say what I said to GameSampras. In physics...For every action there is a reaction, obviously when Roger plays against Nadal or Murry he can kick in that extra gear, but lets not forget Nadal and Murry also have an extra gear which at the moment is better than Roger's. If you say you're the most intelligent person in the world that is a different scenario, Roger DIDN'T say he was the ONLY person in the world with that extra gear, and he DIDN'T say he was more talented than everyone else.
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Deleted member 25923
Guest
Fed needs to hold back a bit.
Serve_Ace
Professional
Ohh, Roger is to wristy on those high BHs.
VivalaVida
Banned
I think fed is being honest. What he said is nothing but the honest truth but I think he should know by now that for many people, especially his critics, there is a very thin line between being honest and arrogant
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
I agree. While I think there is nothing wrong with what he said, he probably hold back a bit.
Hot Sauce
Hall of Fame
Don't blow this out of proportion.
He put talent and experience together as "extra gear".
What I think he means by this is that he's been where other players have not. He's played so much and he had been on top for so long that he feels prepared for anything, and he feels that is an advantage.
That's what it seems like to me. Or maybe he's just a cocky ass motha! Either way hes a very talented player, and he even brought up last year where he lost and said "or maybe it doesn't help".
He put talent and experience together as "extra gear".
What I think he means by this is that he's been where other players have not. He's played so much and he had been on top for so long that he feels prepared for anything, and he feels that is an advantage.
That's what it seems like to me. Or maybe he's just a cocky ass motha! Either way hes a very talented player, and he even brought up last year where he lost and said "or maybe it doesn't help".
edmondsm
Legend
We all know Federer has a high opinion of himself. What's funny is that he attracts same minded fans. "Quiet, genius at work" is the most pretentious sign I've ever seen in the stands. Same as "you are the real # 1" or "you are the #1 forever". Federer and his fans go well together, humility is not their strong point
Ouch. Generalize much?
Hot Sauce
Hall of Fame
We all know Federer has a high opinion of himself. What's funny is that he attracts same minded fans. "Quiet, genius at work" is the most pretentious sign I've ever seen in the stands. Same as "you are the real # 1" or "you are the #1 forever". Federer and his fans go well together, humility is not their strong point
Aiya! I always knew you were a Nadal fan, but don't fall into the dark side. Don't leap at every occasion (and I mean every) to bash Federer, and twist every truth to favour Nadal.
Don't do it.
edmondsm
Legend
Nadal is a lot younger then Federer and hasn't been on top as long. We'll see how Nadal's humility is doing after he's had people like you kissing his ass for a few years.
Josherer
Professional
I don't get the little war going on between only Fed fans and only Nadal fans.
Both are such great players who have done so much for the sport and imo neither have any significant qualities that people can really hate.
Yet so much shiiit about either of them is said from different fan groups.
Both are such great players who have done so much for the sport and imo neither have any significant qualities that people can really hate.
Yet so much shiiit about either of them is said from different fan groups.
VivalaVida
Banned
you have been on the board for so long and you just noticed?
For better or worse, Fed projects a regal air. For a good stretch, he was the best in the world at what he does, and he cultivated a certain image. I can see how it would rub some the wrong way. I think he's comfortable and actually objective when discussing his talent. He knows he's a freak of nature. To put on a more humble reg'lar-guy persona would be false.
On another note, I think it's possible to be both a Fed fan and a Rafa fan. Great tennis is great tennis. No need to diminish one in order to support the other.
On another note, I think it's possible to be both a Fed fan and a Rafa fan. Great tennis is great tennis. No need to diminish one in order to support the other.
Serve_Ace
Professional
Thanks Roy that's how I feel, it feels like on this forum it's black or its white you're a Federer fan or a Nadal fan...
helloworld
Hall of Fame
Many of his fans are that way, but not all of them. There's always an exception to everything.We all know Federer has a high opinion of himself. What's funny is that he attracts same minded fans. "Quiet, genius at work" is the most pretentious sign I've ever seen in the stands. Same as "you are the real # 1" or "you are the #1 forever". Federer and his fans go well together, humility is not their strong point
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Roger has been spending too many hours reading the forums at roger federer dot com
rubberduckies
Professional
Federer is a great player, but he is, and has always been, a horribly arrogant and egotistical person.
He has been making these types of comments for his entire career, but during his reign 04-06, when every frontrunner fan was flocking to Fed's camp, nobody would ever call him on those comments.
The good thing about being a Nadal fan is that the only even remotely arrogant comment we have ever had to deal with was him saying that Gilles Simon was able to beat him even when he was in control of the match. It was probably meant to complement Simon, but he came across wrong.
It's really pathetic to see *******s not only defending his behavior but actually applauding it.
He has been making these types of comments for his entire career, but during his reign 04-06, when every frontrunner fan was flocking to Fed's camp, nobody would ever call him on those comments.
The good thing about being a Nadal fan is that the only even remotely arrogant comment we have ever had to deal with was him saying that Gilles Simon was able to beat him even when he was in control of the match. It was probably meant to complement Simon, but he came across wrong.
It's really pathetic to see *******s not only defending his behavior but actually applauding it.
edmondsm
Legend
Great post, great user name.
VivalaVida
Banned
Its actually more pathetic to see *********s hug nadals balls as if he is the perfect guy. Admit it, you dont know crap about nadal or federer as a person? Some people are like watch professional tennis FOR tennis not anything else. These are tennis players not politicians. I could care less if people label federer 'arrogant" by one sentence in an interview. You better start coming up with something more convincing because the current evidence is just BS.
Hot Sauce
Hall of Fame
you have been on the board for so long and you just noticed?
Haha, yeah. I sometimes take massive breaks away from this section of the forum, because it can get completely full of fanboy crap. I love logical tennis talk, but when people like one player so much that they lose all rational thinking, it's just not worth trying to talk to them.
Tennis_Maestro
Banned
All hes doing is being modest, oh no wait, can;t do that, lets all be like mr diplomatic and politically correct Nadal.
Lets give bland answers and not state our true feelings.
Whenever a tennis player has a personality fans hate it.
Djokovic
Roddick
Federer
Murray
I'm not saying it should be like WWE, but for *bleep*s sake, let them be who they are.
Lets give bland answers and not state our true feelings.
Whenever a tennis player has a personality fans hate it.
Djokovic
Roddick
Federer
Murray
I'm not saying it should be like WWE, but for *bleep*s sake, let them be who they are.
NotSoSuper
Rookie
its not like hes bragging.
If he was saying i deserve to be No.1 because of my talent, then that would be strange.
But this is understandable.
If he was saying i deserve to be No.1 because of my talent, then that would be strange.
But this is understandable.
dwhiteside
Semi-Pro
If Nadal said "I'm talented at tennis" would we be upset?
DarthFed
Hall of Fame
wow..now he can't even acknowledge what the tennis world knows already
So some of you are saying he can't have talent? this is ****ing disgusting if someone told me i wasn't allowed to say i draw well i'd be pissed the **** off
Hop of feds Johnson some of you are on it too much it needs to dry
So some of you are saying he can't have talent? this is ****ing disgusting if someone told me i wasn't allowed to say i draw well i'd be pissed the **** off
Hop of feds Johnson some of you are on it too much it needs to dry
Phil
Hall of Fame
True. There is nothing factually incorrect in Federer's statement quoted by the OP. Why is being HONEST always considered "arrogant"? Why have we reached a point when athletes are looked on as "classy" only if they spew out the same old time-worn cliches and bland false modesty. The guy's (still) great...what's wrong with him SAYING SO? Everyone else has...
SourStraws
Rookie
Seriously.... Im a fan of both.... But the over-analyzing of each quote a certain player says is ridiculous... Fed does have the extra gear players dont have.... So did Sampras, Laver and all the other greats in addition to Nadal imo.... Don't chastise just because he answers honestly and is aware of his gifts..... It's not that serious...
S.S.
Well Nadal annoys me unlike Federer because I feel like he is overly humble and it seems like BS to me. When Nadal speaks I don't expect to hear the truth, but I expect to hear undeserved praise for his opponents. With Federer at least I expect to hear how he really sees it.
Why even have interviews if you are only allowed to say pleasant, predictable statements that will not offend anyone?
Why even have interviews if you are only allowed to say pleasant, predictable statements that will not offend anyone?
luckyboy1300
Hall of Fame
Arrogance:
1. Any conduct, behavior, way of saying things, etc. NOT done in Rafael Nadal's way.
kraggy
Banned
Yeah , when I saw those post match comments, I was like , "Aah Fed !" . But I have heard so many similar comments from Fed that it wasn't really a shocker to me.
But here is my 2 cents on the issue.
1) Is Fed vain? ABSOLUTELY yes. But I can guarantee you that 9/10 people in Fed's shoes would be ! Try being the absolute best at something for a sustained period of time and see how hard it will be to not become vain /have an ego! Its goddamn tough! It's human nature. I UNDERSTAND why Fed is the way he is.
2) Which is why Nadal is SUPER HUMAN. He knows he is the best, yet he can show modesty , give others credit, he doesn't downplay anyone. There is absolutely nothing wrong in believing you are the best. In fact it is extremely important to be very proud of yourself. But there is a difference between believing you are the best and saying you are the best! Which is what makes Nadal special. There are many personality traits that make a person endearing. Humility is one of them, and its something I respect a lot. That's why I am a Nadal fan and not a Fed fan.
But here is my 2 cents on the issue.
1) Is Fed vain? ABSOLUTELY yes. But I can guarantee you that 9/10 people in Fed's shoes would be ! Try being the absolute best at something for a sustained period of time and see how hard it will be to not become vain /have an ego! Its goddamn tough! It's human nature. I UNDERSTAND why Fed is the way he is.
2) Which is why Nadal is SUPER HUMAN. He knows he is the best, yet he can show modesty , give others credit, he doesn't downplay anyone. There is absolutely nothing wrong in believing you are the best. In fact it is extremely important to be very proud of yourself. But there is a difference between believing you are the best and saying you are the best! Which is what makes Nadal special. There are many personality traits that make a person endearing. Humility is one of them, and its something I respect a lot. That's why I am a Nadal fan and not a Fed fan.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
You are spot on. What's really funny is how Fed can say these things because they're true, but when Djokovic said the guys were catching up to him, he was ostracized. Did Djokovic not speak the truth? Of course, and therein lies the double standard.
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Deleted member 25923
Guest
Djokovic was a little more blunt about his stuff. The "I was in control" comment was priceless.
Regardless, I hope Novak gets back into good form. I, of course, hope Federer puts the beatdown on him Friday, but he's a great player. It sucks seeing him in this slump.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
I didn't see anything wrong with djokovic's comment. He was telling the truth as well. I admire people for their honesty.
kraggy
Banned
Agreed, but honesty is overrated too . At least honesty from the 'speaking your mind' perspective. Fed 'speaking his mind' is hardly something you could call admirable! I won't chastise him for it, because I know that he's just that kind of person. But to call it admirable is ludicrous. A nice analogy (taken a bit to the extreme) would be racism. There are still many silently racist people out there. I guess instead of being quiet they should all speak openly about the races they hate. And then we must applaud them for their honesty!
It's one thing to express your opinion when it can create an impact/positive value for society, its another thing to be honest just for the sake of being honest even if your words have a negative impact.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
No one is more blunt than Federer.
I hope Djoker gets out of his slump too, but of course we're on opposite ends again. I'm hoping for a Djoker beatdown on Fed.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
I didn't see anything wrong with Djoker's comments either, but he was totally vilefied on this board, why do you think they put out that thread about does anyone like Djokovic last week?
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
I wonder how many fans actually like both nole and fed. I feel like their fans hate each other but I actually think they have more in common. Both can be blunt, roger more than nole, and both have been getting it from the media lately, perhaps nole more. Both have attacking type games expect lately djokovic has become very pusher like which is annoying.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Now that you mention it...that is odd. I'm sure there are some, you just don't hear about it around here.
What do you mean by pusher? I keep hearing people say that, but I don't get it.
Federer_pilon
Professional
If a hot chick tells you "Look at me, I'm hot", she's being honest. Do people applaud her or call her a vain b*tch?
DarthFed
Hall of Fame
I applaud her, that kind of confidence is attractive to me
also @Icedevil and the Truth
Fed Nole fan right here
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