Federer vs. Roddick Wimbledon 2004

[InsideOut900]

My feedback on this match:
Set1: A simply brutal display from Roddick,hitting the crap out of the ball,had like double the winners count Federer had,FH was on fire,serve was on fire,volleys were very good,BH was doing damage too
Key moments: 1-1,Roddick breaks Federer with a very inspired return game; 1-2 Roddick saves 4BP,3 of them with a volley,both players proceed to hold wihout any break point in the way till 6-4
Set2: A set wih ups and downs from both,Federer takes it(both have 12W and 7 UE's)
Key moments:0-0 BP for Roddick,Federer saves it at the net and holds;Roddicks game goes downhill and starts to spray errors till 4-0 when a worse service game from Federer occurs and Roddick playes some inspired tennis to break back;it happens again at 4-2 and Roddick is back on track;6-5 Roddick plays a pretty good return game,but a couple of errors and poor shot selection and Federer takes the set
Set3: Federer getting aggressive,both had 1 lackluster service game to get broken and Federer played more clutch in the breaker(Fed:21W to 10 UE's; Roddick: 10W to 5 UE's)
Key moments: Federer starts hitting his shots harder,but also makes some errors and Roddick breaks at 1-1;
fast forward at 4-2 rain delay,after that Federer start applying pressure and Roddick loses his momentum and starts being shanky and gifts the break back;5-4 30-30 Roddick hits the infamous "700mph overhead" lol,saves himself from losing the set 6-4; Tiebreak: 3-2 Fed,Roddick hits a wild FH to give the minibreak,4-2 approaches he net and Fed passes him with a framed BH;Federer closes the set with a nice BH passing shot
Set4: Roddick making inroods on Federer's serve but choking
Key moments: both begin with easy holds,but Roddick gets 4 BP at 2-1 with very inspired play;2 cheap errors and 2 great serves and BP's are gone;3-2 another 2 BP for Roddick after a very good game,overhits the FH twice and again cannot break;in the very next game,Federer breaks after 3 FH errors and 1 passing shot;3 more solid holds and Federer seals the deal with an ace outwide

Overall impression: Roddick came with a plan(hitting big shots) and started pumped up,but then made some crucial mistakes in the 3rd and 4th set and lost because of them; Federer played ok,but below his usual level,FH didn't do much damage,pretty inspired on big points; Overall a winnable match from Roddick from my perspective

 

[NatF]

Love the quality of your upload, did you do anything to improve the quality?

Nice breakdown as well.

 

[BGod]

Makes you think how close Roddick was to winning this. If Federer lost this Final I think he finishes with a lot less than 17. Maybe 13.

 

[Nadalgaenger]

My feedback on this match:
Set1: A simply brutal display from Roddick,hitting the crap out of the ball,had like double the winners count Federer had,FH was on fire,serve was on fire,volleys were very good,BH was doing damage too
Key moments: 1-1,Roddick breaks Federer with a very inspired return game; 1-2 Roddick saves 4BP,3 of them with a volley,both players proceed to hold wihout any break point in the way till 6-4
Set2: A set wih ups and downs from both,Federer takes it(both have 12W and 7 UE's)
Key moments:0-0 BP for Roddick,Federer saves it at the net and holds;Roddicks game goes downhill and starts to spray errors till 4-0 when a worse service game from Federer occurs and Roddick playes some inspired tennis to break back;it happens again at 4-2 and Roddick is back on track;6-5 Roddick plays a pretty good return game,but a couple of errors and poor shot selection and Federer takes the set
Set3: Federer getting aggressive,both had 1 lackluster service game to get broken and Federer played more clutch in the breaker(Fed:21W to 10 UE's; Roddick: 10W to 5 UE's)
Key moments: Federer starts hitting his shots harder,but also makes some errors and Roddick breaks at 1-1;
fast forward at 4-2 rain delay,after that Federer start applying pressure and Roddick loses his momentum and starts being shanky and gifts the break back;5-4 30-30 Roddick hits the infamous "700mph overhead" lol,saves himself from losing the set 6-4; Tiebreak: 3-2 Fed,Roddick hits a wild FH to give the minibreak,4-2 approaches he net and Fed passes him with a framed BH;Federer closes the set with a nice BH passing shot
Set4: Roddick making inroods on Federer's serve but choking
Key moments: both begin with easy holds,but Roddick gets 4 BP at 2-1 with very inspired play;2 cheap errors and 2 great serves and BP's are gone;3-2 another 2 BP for Roddick after a very good game,overhits the FH twice and again cannot break;in the very next game,Federer breaks after 3 FH errors and 1 passing shot;3 more solid holds and Federer seals the deal with an ace outwide

Overall impression: Roddick came with a plan(hitting big shots) and started pumped up,but then made some crucial mistakes in the 3rd and 4th set and lost because of them; Federer played ok,but below his usual level,FH didn't do much damage,pretty inspired on big points; Overall a winnable match from Roddick from my perspective

Excellent analysis of an underrated match.

So was Roddick playing better tennis in this 2004 final than in 2009?

 

[Nadalgaenger]

Makes you think how close Roddick was to winning this. If Federer lost this Final I think he finishes with a lot less than 17. Maybe 13.

If anything, Roddick might have given him more difficultly in subsequent slam meetings. Maybe could have made the difference in 2009.

 

[Steve0904]

Don't see how this particular match makes him somehow lose 4 slams. The next time he played Roddick at a major was Wimbledon 2005 and Roddick wasn't in great form there. Then he was bad for most of 2006 until the USO and I don't believe Roddick would've won that match if he had won this one anyway. Federer's consistency would leave him in a good spot. He's been well known for bouncing back from tough losses, and he's had a lot of them.

 

[Steve0904]

If anything, Roddick might have given him more difficultly in subsequent slam meetings. Maybe could have made the difference in 2009.

This makes a bit more sense. Everything else is basically irrelevant, IMO, unless one believes that Roddick was winning Wimbledon in 2005 as well.

 

[NatF]

Don't see how this particular match makes him somehow lose 4 slams. The next time he played Roddick at a major was Wimbledon 2005 and Roddick wasn't in great form there. Then he was bad for most of 2006 until the USO and I don't believe Roddick would've won that match if he had won this one anyway. Federer's consistency would leave him in a good spot. He's been well known for bouncing back from tough losses, and he's had a lot of them.

Roddick's form was fine at Wimbledon in 2005, he just played a very poor match against Federer tactically. If Roddick won Wimbledon I doubt he fires Gilbert and moves away from the aggressive style of play he had in his best years - I doubt the knock effect of declining results in 2005 and that slump in 2006 happens in that case.

Federer's aura would have been damaged and Roddick might have been more dangerous but hard to see him losing 4 more slams.

 

[Steve0904]

Roddick's form was fine at Wimbledon in 2005, he just played a very poor match against Federer tactically. If Roddick won Wimbledon I doubt he fires Gilbert and moves away from the aggressive style of play he had in his best years - I doubt the knock effect of declining results in 2005 and that slump in 2006 happens in that case.

Federer's aura would have been damaged and Roddick might have been more dangerous but hard to see him losing 4 more slams.

Not sure if it was fine. I'd call it below average for him. In any case too much guesswork here to say anything definitive. I'd still back him to beat Roddick in 2005 and at the 2006 USO. The only idea I can get behind is Roddick winning the 2009 match. At least that kind of makes sense if you say that the extra confidence from already having beaten Federer at Wimbledon pushes him over the finish line in a much closer match than the 2005 one was.

 

[BGod]

Federer made his career out of his stature.

At Wimbledon 04 he had just 2 Slams. I feel that title really got him going, although USO 05 padded that considerably as well. Remember Federer started 7-0 in Finals before he lost the French and by that time he was 3-2-2 the rest of the field so he felt invincible and so did everyone else.

 

[NatF]

Not sure if it was fine. I'd call it below average for him. In any case too much guesswork here to say anything definitive. I'd still back him to beat Roddick in 2005 and at the 2006 USO. The only idea I can get behind is Roddick winning the 2009 match. At least that kind of makes sense if you say that the extra confidence from already having beaten Federer at Wimbledon pushes him over the finish line in a much closer match than the 2005 one was.

Out of his 4 deep runs at Wimbledon it was his worst. But he was still playing good tennis overall. And yeah I'm not saying Roddick scores wins over Federer at any slam in particular, I'm just saying I think his game would stayed aggressive and he would have been more dangerous.

 

[Steve0904]

Federer made his career out of his stature.

At Wimbledon 04 he had just 2 Slams. I feel that title really got him going, although USO 05 padded that considerably as well. Remember Federer started 7-0 in Finals before he lost the French and by that time he was 3-2-2 the rest of the field so he felt invincible and so did everyone else.

But you could say this about any ATG. To pick an arbitrary number of slams lost (as much as 4 in your case) as a consequence of losing at just the one slam doesn't make much sense at all. You are only speculating. He was just as likely to end with 16 slams as he was to end with 13 in this scenario (assuming 17 is his last slam).

 

[Steve0904]

Out of his 4 deep runs at Wimbledon it was his worst. But he was still playing good tennis overall. And yeah I'm not saying Roddick scores wins over Federer at any slam in particular, I'm just saying I think his game would stayed aggressive and he would have been more dangerous.

I agree with that.

 

[beltsman]

This was roddicks best chance. The rain delay saved fed, and fed admits it.

 

[Steve0904]

This was roddicks best chance. The rain delay saved fed, and fed admits it.

Federer admits it now, but he wasn't guaranteed to lose this match even if it didn't rain. Many people say that, but it's not correct. All we really know is that the momentum shifted after the rain delay, but Federer (or Roddick) may have shifted it on his own.

 

[InsideOut900]

So was Roddick playing better tennis in this 2004 final than in 2009?

Roddick played a peak set of tennis and 3 other good sets, so yeah. If it wasn't for shankyness in crucial moments he could have taken the title home,the last 3 sets were very competitive and he played much better than Fed in the 1st one.

Roddick's form was fine at Wimbledon in 2005, he just played a very poor match against Federer tactically. If Roddick won Wimbledon I doubt he fires Gilbert and moves away from the aggressive style of play he had in his best years.

Federer's baseline game was more stable in 2005,so with a standard non-aggressive style of play Roddick had no chance,agree with that. In 2004 he gifted Roddick a fair amount of points.

Love the quality of your upload, did you do anything to improve the quality?
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I don't think there is a way to improve quality manually,but you can make it worse.I just used the source video quality.

 

[Red Rick]

Roddick winning would do more for Roddick's confidence and game than Fed's. If Roddick wins that match, he probably reaches Federer a few more times in the slams than he did. Then who knows what happens. Especially as Roddick's game took a turn for the worse after firing Gilbert. All I know is he's hopeless against Federer if he doesn't try to bash that ball. Look at their Miami match in 2012. Their last match. Roddick gets hopelessly outplayed, somehow wins a tiebreak, and then decides to ball bash one game and somehow wins the match.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Roddick was a very good player.

 

[metsman]

Federer played very well in the big points even if his standard level wasn't up to snuff...Roddick faltered a bit in the 4th. Very high quality 4 set match.

 

[PacificOceanBlue]

Roddick was not in the same league as Federer. He played him well twice at Wimbledon, but overall he didn't have the game. He had a big serve (albeit lacking variety) and a big forehand (that he slapped in a very unattractive manner). Other than that, he had a pedestrian two-handed backhand and a choppy slice, substandard volleys, and lumbering footwork. He was a good athlete with ability, but not a great player. Federer was superior in every way.

 

[lulzprime]

Roddick winning would do more for Roddick's confidence and game than Fed's. If Roddick wins that match, he probably reaches Federer a few more times in the slams than he did. Then who knows what happens. Especially as Roddick's game took a turn for the worse after firing Gilbert. All I know is he's hopeless against Federer if he doesn't try to bash that ball. Look at their Miami match in 2012. Their last match. Roddick gets hopelessly outplayed, somehow wins a tiebreak, and then decides to ball bash one game and somehow wins the match.

Eh, after 04', ANYTIME Roddick bash the hell out of the ball, he ends up winning most of the matches against other players, not just against Fed.