Fed's Loss at Wimby Most Painful in History?

wangs78

Legend
Some ppl have said that McEnroe's loss in 1980 or even Borg's loss in 1981 are comparable to Roger's bc they were both 5-setters. But I think Roger's loss is by far the more painful one. Here is why I think so:

1) Roger was about to break the modern record of 5 straight set by Borg. In contrast, in '80 Borg had already broken the previous record of 4, so losing to JMac in '81 was not so huge, since Borg already owned the record. In contrast, Roger was about to SET a NEW record that could have lasted god knows how long. Could have been just 10 years, but more likely to be 30 years plus.

2) Roger was defeated by his arch-nemisis. The man who has stopped Roger from, very conceivably, having won FOUR FO titles already. Moreover, Nadal STEAMROLLED Roger this year in the FO. For two years running, Roger has gotten his mojo back after losing the FO final by winning Wimby. But this year, that's not the case. Borg and JMac had only met twice in GS finals prior to the '81 Wimby final, with Borg having won the '80 Wimby final and JMac having won the '80 USO. So neither really had anything to prove to anyone.

3) Many, including the media and some players, have been saying Roger is in decline and have questioned his mental fortitude. These criticisms reached a peak right after his defeat at the '08 FO finals. He had a chance to silence the critics, but failed to do so. This was never the case for Borg or JMac.

4) Roger came back from 2 sets to love. I find that those losses are the worst, when you fight back like that and supposedly carry the momentum into the final set. Some may say that it's harder to win the first 2 sets and lose the next 3, but I think it's more painful to lose 2, win 2 and then lose the last set because then all that effort you put in was for nothing (other than a good show for the fans, of course).

I really hope that Roger comes back strong from this. Would hate to see him suffer a permanent loss of confidence in his own game. In another thread today an article was posted about the '81 Wimbledon final and it was noted that John Bromwich was never the same player after blowing the 1948 Wimby final after having a championship point. Given that Federer's loss at the 2008 Wimbledon finals in 5 sets is the most painful in all of tennis history, IMO, I think there's a real risk that he's in a lot of trouble. Look at Borg, who RETIRED shortly after he lost in '81. I really hope he wins the USO to get back on track.
 

jman

Semi-Pro
Yes it was probably painful for Roger, but I don't think it was the most painful in history. Roger is still number 1, and if that was on the line aswell as breaking Borg's record, it most probably would have been the 'most painful loss in history'. I think that title belongs to Borg, when he lost to McEnroe in that other classic Wimbledon final.


Looking back, it was really fortunate Roger won that 5 setter against Tipsarevic at the AO, otherwise he would be number 2 right now!


I also hope Roger can at least get 1 slam and maybe Olympic gold, to boost his confidence. I still think he's not fully healthy yet, and waiting for him to make a bang in 2009.
 
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Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
There's another that registers pretty high on the pain meter: Hingis' FO loss to Graf.

Hingis had been winning everything. She was so young when she began to dominate that she probably thought she'd surpass Graff in majors won in short order.

Hingis really wanted the FO to complete the career slam. But she couldn't win FO. Her previous appearance in the final was a loss to Majoli (sp?), due to an injury.

She was playing one of the greats in Steffi. And Hingis had displayed the poor judgment to say Steffi was washed up. Oops.

So she gets off to a lead, IIRC, and then starts to choke. By the end, she was reduced to serving underhand, with the crowd booing her every move. Her mother had to coax her out of the locker room for the trophy presentation.

In contrast, Roger almost staged a huge comeback. He hadn't tooted his own horn or dissed the man who ultimately beat him. He played pretty well and didn't resort to cheap tricks. The genuinely appreciative cheers of the crowd probably helped him hold it together. So Mirka didn't have to haul him out of the bathroom.

Poor, poor Martina.
 

gj011

Banned
Why anything that has to do with Federer has to be the "biggest", "most", ... ever?

I am sure there were much more painful loses in tennis history. Guy have 12 GS titles already.
 

gj011

Banned
Coria losing to Gaudio. Had to make Chino want to vomit.

Agree here. This was much more painful for example. The guy blew his only chance to get the GS title. Much worse than having 12 and losing 13th.

Also Federer already shares the record with Borg. So not that big of a deal.
 
Nadal should have served it out at 5-2 tiebreaker, imagine how he would feel if he didn't win this match, but I think it will help him make sure he never gets into a tie-breaker with Fed again, since tie-breakers are the only way for Fed to take sets off Nadal.
 
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Nadal_Monfils

Semi-Pro
I think for a match to be the most painful ever the loser would have had to blow a bunch of break points or at least a couple and maybe lose a big lead. I'd probably say McEnroe at the 84 French Open, he said he still has nightmares about it.
 
It depends how you lose the breakpoints, like last year in the 5th set Nadal lost a few breakpoints on Fed serve but Fed hit aces and things to win them, so not really a missed opportunity.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Yes it was probably painful for Roger, but I don't think it was the most painful in history. Roger is still number 1, and if that was on the line aswell as breaking Borg's record, it most probably would have been the 'most painful loss in history'. I think that title belongs to Borg, when he lost to McEnroe in that other classic Wimbledon final.
I disagree. If you saw that match and the post match interviews, Borg didn't seem hurt at all. In fact, afterwards he admitted that it didn't matter to him as much as it may have mattered to his fans and to the press. He was actually smiling after he lost. Now contrast that with Federer after he lost. He was in tears and stated several times how much the loss hurt and how tough it was for him to lose that match. He also admitted that it was the toughest loss of his career. We got none of that from Borg, who looked at it as just another routine loss, as if he was glad that the pressure was off of him to keep winning Wimbledon.
 

Josherer

Professional
I believe it was the most painfull in history.... i mean saving match points and comming back to tie the match... that must have really hurt... ecspecially considering it as nadal who beat him.. the person who denied him of the grandslam several times.
 
I guess Fedex's loss this year hurt in the same way that Agassi's loss to Sampras hurt in 1995 US Open Final. That resulted in Agassi not winning a slam until 1999.
 

superman1

Legend
McEnroe losing to Lendl was far, far more painful. He was UP 2 sets to 0 for one, and he would have had the career Grand Slam if he had won that match. Fed already has 5 Wimbledons, boohoo, he didn't get his 6th. Not nearly as significant.

Agassi losing to Sampras at the US Open final in '95 was also extremely painful for him, because he was dominant that year, particularly that summer, and was beating down on Sampras throughout the year. That loss was so hard for him it ended up pushing him over the edge and he didn't win another Slam until '99.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
Corretja's loss to Sampras, after Pete got sick. After going over to see if Pete was alright he went to his chair and sobbed. That's the most painful loss for me!
 

Dark_Angel85

Semi-Pro
Honestly, I really wish that it wasn't federer in the finals all the time. He he he. I enjoy watching his tennis game, i enjoy the quality he has brought forth in the men's game but it's getting too orthodox.

I preferred the womens results where there was no way you could decide who would end up winning... Well, that was until you kinda saw the williams' sisters beefing it up at the latter stages...
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Horrible considering how painful it would be to not win your 6th Wimbledon title this time. :rolleyes:
And how many players in the history of tennis had the opportunity to win 6 Wimbeldons in a row? It probably won't happen again in your lifetime. Federer had this single opportunity to set a record that will probably last for the next 100 years and he was, OH, SO CLOSE!!! Winning 6 straight Wimbeldons in a row is probably harder to do than even breaking the all time Grand Slam record. I think "devastating" is an understatement.
 

wangs78

Legend
And how many players in the history of tennis had the opportunity to win 6 Wimbeldons in a row? It probably won't happen again in your lifetime. Federer had this single opportunity to set a record that will probably last for the next 100 years and he was, OH, SO CLOSE!!! Winning 6 straight Wimbeldons in a row is probably harder to do than even breaking the all time Grand Slam record. I think "devastating" is an understatement.

Hear hear, my sentiments exactly. He came within two points of winning it in the fifth set, on Nadal's serve when the score was 30-30 I think. Almost makes me want to wish he lost in straight sets bc the pain would be less in that case. There would no what-ifs if Roger was just soundly beaten. But he wasn't, and now he'll have nightmares for the rest of his life. =/
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Hear hear, my sentiments exactly. He came within two points of winning it in the fifth set, on Nadal's serve when the score was 30-30 I think. Almost makes me want to wish he lost in straight sets bc the pain would be less in that case. There would no what-ifs if Roger was just soundly beaten. But he wasn't, and now he'll have nightmares for the rest of his life. =/
I think it was 30-30 when Nadal was serving at 4-5 in the 5th set, so yes, Federer was two points away from winning the match at that time. But earlier in the 5th set, Federer had a break point on Nadal's serve, which was effectively a match point given that Federer was not broken in the 5th set until 7-7, so you can say that Federer was effectively ONLY ONE LOUSY POINT AWAY FROM WINNING SIX WIMBELDONS IN A ROW!!!! :mad:

Pain does not begin to describe what Federer must be feeling. :cry:
 
Yes Federer was 2 points from breaking Nadal's serve in the 5th set, but Nadal was 2 points from winning the match in 4 sets, leading 5-2 in the breaker with 2 serves.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
I think what's even worse is that Federer served first in the 5th set so that after he was broken at 7-7 and with Nadal up 8-7, we still had to watch Nadal slowly serve out the match. That was just so painful to watch. I think it would have been better if Federer served second so that when he got broken, the match was over. It's like if King Federer was going to die in his own castle, it's better to just shoot him in the head and end his life right there, but instead we had to watch a slow and painful death, as if he was stabbed in the stomach and was slowly bleeding to death, while Nadal slowly served out the match and none of us watching could help him as Federer was writhing in agony in a pool of his own blood.

Frankly, that last game was almost unbearable to watch. :cry:
 

Ultra2HolyGrail

Hall of Fame
I think what's even worse is that Federer served first in the 5th set so that after he was broken at 7-7 and with Nadal up 8-7, we still had to watch Nadal slowly serve out the match. That was just so painful to watch. I think it would have been better if Federer served second so that when he got broken, the match was over. It's like if King Federer was going to die in his own castle, it's better to just shoot him in the head and end his life right there, but instead we had to watch a slow and painful death, as if he was stabbed in the stomach and was slowly bleeding to death, while Nadal slowly served out the match and none of us watching could help him as Federer was writhing in agony in a pool of his own blood.

Frankly, that last game was almost unbearable to watch. :cry:


Lets face it, he lost in the worst way possible, he got beat playing the best he could, no excuses. If their was a tie breaker it could of been a different story. I figured that from the beggining of the 5th, how is roger gonna break. :( Big serve=advantage in tie break. Blame Wimbledon for feds loss.
 
Lets face it, he lost in the worst way possible, he got beat playing the best he could, no excuses. If their was a tie breaker it could of been a different story. I figured that from the beggining of the 5th, how is roger gonna break. :( Big serve=advantage in tie break. Blame Wimbledon for feds loss.

How about blame Fed for his loss....:)
 
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Deleted member 21996

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the most painfull loss to watch to me was definitely:

September 2nd 2006, US Open 3rd round, Andre Agassi vs Benjamin Becker

this is coincidentially my birthday...

Sadest day of my life to the moment...
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
I think what's even worse is that Federer served first in the 5th set so that after he was broken at 7-7 and with Nadal up 8-7, we still had to watch Nadal slowly serve out the match. That was just so painful to watch. I think it would have been better if Federer served second so that when he got broken, the match was over. It's like if King Federer was going to die in his own castle, it's better to just shoot him in the head and end his life right there, but instead we had to watch a slow and painful death, as if he was stabbed in the stomach and was slowly bleeding to death, while Nadal slowly served out the match and none of us watching could help him as Federer was writhing in agony in a pool of his own blood.

Frankly, that last game was almost unbearable to watch. :cry:
the context and the score were so cruel... like if it was part of a plan designed to torture roger in the worst possible way. :(
i hope he will manage to swallow that.

i guess goran's 3rd final loss in 1998 was particularly painful too (another close match) as he never won wimbledon yet, but also... the higher you set the bar, the more painful will be the loss, in a way.
i really hope he can/will bounce back from that horrible loss... :?
 

War Safin!

Professional
I don't think Federer could be that affected by losing Wimbledon just 4 weeks after suffering his biggest defeat at Roland Garros: the double-whammy of that along with the fact that it was Nadal in both matches wouldn't suggest that his game overall is declining....
 
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Morrissey

Guest
I dunno, but considering that Fed has 12 slams to fall back on and still has his #1 ranking I don't consider this the most painful loss in history. Coria's loss to Gaudio is still painful to this day and I never liked Coria either. But his career went down the drain after that. Yeah, he did well in 2005 but he was no longer a factor at the French losing to Davydenko and that was all she wrote.
 
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Morrissey

Guest
the context and the score were so cruel... like if it was part of a plan designed to torture roger in the worst possible way. :(
i hope he will manage to swallow that.

i guess goran's 3rd final loss in 1998 was particularly painful too (another close match) as he never won wimbledon yet, but also... the higher you set the bar, the more painful will be the loss, in a way.
i really hope he can/will bounce back from that horrible loss... :?

Yeah it was horrible indeed. I'm glad you feel this for all the years of putting Nadal down. This is your karma getting you back. :-D Enjoy!
 

soyizgood

G.O.A.T.
Myskina's loss to Henin in the 2004 Olympics comes to mind. Myskina was never the same after that epic meltdown.
 

wangs78

Legend
Lets face it, he lost in the worst way possible, he got beat playing the best he could, no excuses. If their was a tie breaker it could of been a different story. I figured that from the beggining of the 5th, how is roger gonna break. :( Big serve=advantage in tie break. Blame Wimbledon for feds loss.

Not sure that I agree with fact that having a big serve is a bigger advantage in a tiebreak than in regular game by game format. What's the rationale for that? I've noticed that in matches between Fed (as well as other players) and Isner and Karlovic the sets often do go to the tiebreak with Isner and Karlovic then losing in the tiebreak, which would suggest the opposite, that a big serve counts less in a tiebreak.
 

wangs78

Legend
I think what's even worse is that Federer served first in the 5th set so that after he was broken at 7-7 and with Nadal up 8-7, we still had to watch Nadal slowly serve out the match. That was just so painful to watch. I think it would have been better if Federer served second so that when he got broken, the match was over. It's like if King Federer was going to die in his own castle, it's better to just shoot him in the head and end his life right there, but instead we had to watch a slow and painful death, as if he was stabbed in the stomach and was slowly bleeding to death, while Nadal slowly served out the match and none of us watching could help him as Federer was writhing in agony in a pool of his own blood.

Frankly, that last game was almost unbearable to watch. :cry:

Yeah, I think this loss will haunt Fed forever. Unless he goes on to win 20 GS or something, in which case that record will heal this wound. But if Fed doesn't break the GS record by a decent margin (I'd say at least 17), there will always be naysayers about whether he's the GOAT, and having the 6-straight Wimby record would have helped push him across the finish line, so to speak. Like BP said, winning 6 straight Wimby crowns is probably more difficult than the career Grand Slam record.
 

ninman

Hall of Fame
Yeah, I think this loss will haunt Fed forever. Unless he goes on to win 20 GS or something, in which case that record will heal this wound. But if Fed doesn't break the GS record by a decent margin (I'd say at least 17), there will always be naysayers about whether he's the GOAT, and having the 6-straight Wimby record would have helped push him across the finish line, so to speak. Like BP said, winning 6 straight Wimby crowns is probably more difficult than the career Grand Slam record.

To me the match really hinged on that 2nd set. Federer was 4-1 up in the 2nd and had been broken on 3 time THE ENTIRE GRASS SEASON up that point. To then go and lose 5 games in a row was extremely painful to watch. To me that was the defining set in the match. At 1-1, Federer probably would've won the third and gone 2-1 up at which point it's Federer's match to lose. 0-2 down and it's Nadal's match to lose. But I think worse than all of that is the BP conversion rate, 1/13 for the match. That will hurt the most, because it was certainly a match that he could have, and my reckoning should have won.

He will never get an opportunity like that again for the rest of his life. He could still win 6 US Opens in a row, but who the hell cares about that?
 

matchmaker

Hall of Fame
There's another that registers pretty high on the pain meter: Hingis' FO loss to Graf.

Hingis had been winning everything. She was so young when she began to dominate that she probably thought she'd surpass Graff in majors won in short order.

Hingis really wanted the FO to complete the career slam. But she couldn't win FO. Her previous appearance in the final was a loss to Majoli (sp?), due to an injury.

She was playing one of the greats in Steffi. And Hingis had displayed the poor judgment to say Steffi was washed up. Oops.

So she gets off to a lead, IIRC, and then starts to choke. By the end, she was reduced to serving underhand, with the crowd booing her every move. Her mother had to coax her out of the locker room for the trophy presentation.

In contrast, Roger almost staged a huge comeback. He hadn't tooted his own horn or dissed the man who ultimately beat him. He played pretty well and didn't resort to cheap tricks. The genuinely appreciative cheers of the crowd probably helped him hold it together. So Mirka didn't have to haul him out of the bathroom.

Poor, poor Martina.

I remember that match. The crowd was absolutely hateful. I think it was in that match too that she hit an ace or something alike. There was a big mistake by the linesmen/referee and as hawk eye did not exist there was no way to correct it. She should have won that match.The crowd was absolutely irritant, wrong decisions were taken. That point that was called out was virtually a match point and slow motion showed it to be in.

Poor Martina.
 

matchmaker

Hall of Fame
I dunno, but considering that Fed has 12 slams to fall back on and still has his #1 ranking I don't consider this the most painful loss in history. Coria's loss to Gaudio is still painful to this day and I never liked Coria either. But his career went down the drain after that. Yeah, he did well in 2005 but he was no longer a factor at the French losing to Davydenko and that was all she wrote.

That was indeed a terrible loss. Coria was the undisputed clay king back then. But he completely choked in the final. And he wouldn't get a new chance anymore as next year Nadal burst onto the clay court scene.

Maybe the worst thing is that the guy who won that final, Gaudio, was never heard of ever again. That must make it all the more painful for Coria. Realizing he gave that final virtually away to a player who wasn't that good after all.

I believe Coria suffered a depression after all that and is now finally coming back to professional tennis.

Some events really seem to have a long term effect.
 

gj011

Banned
And how many players in the history of tennis had the opportunity to win 6 Wimbeldons in a row? It probably won't happen again in your lifetime. Federer had this single opportunity to set a record that will probably last for the next 100 years and he was, OH, SO CLOSE!!! Winning 6 straight Wimbeldons in a row is probably harder to do than even breaking the all time Grand Slam record. I think "devastating" is an understatement.

He already shares that record with 5 wins in a row, and that will be in the books for a long long time, so I don't see this as a reason to proclaim this loss as a "most painful" in history.
 
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Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
I think failing in a comeback is nowhere nearly as painful as having a big lead and blowing it.

Jana Novotna might agree with me. At least Fed made it to the locker room before he lost it.
 

burosky

Professional
Here's something for your consideration. How about the Sabattini/Fernandez match? From what I understand that was the biggest comeback. If that was the biggest comeback, the flipside to that has to be the most painful.
 

downdaline

Professional
Yes it's painful. If Nadal had lost it, he could just try again next year. Winning it the first time is easier than defending it. But for Fed, he'd have to go right back from one, two, three, four, five and THEN back to trying for number six in a row.
 
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