Head Gravity MP vs Gravity Tour

[teitat]

I demo'd the Gravity MP before the quarantine and generally liked it, but found it a little bit light and unstable. Looking at the specs, the Gravity Tour is right about the weight and swing weight I like, but I haven't hit with an 18x20 pattern before.
Have anyone hit with both before? How much does the tighter string pattern affect the launch angle and spin compared to the MP?

 

[BBM]

Go for the MP and add weight to make it stable.

If your game is based on spin and you're not used to a 18x20, don't go for the Tour. I did and semi regret it looking back, not because it's not a good stick (it's an amazing stick), but because I think the MP would've been a better fit for my game. I discarded it because I thought it would be too light and unstable, but I think I would've been better of with it + some lead time

As for the Tour - yes you get a much lower launch angle, it's a little harder to apply spin especially on low balls since the racquet is not very whippy (with the MP the swingweight is already decent and the low static weight gives you plenty of room to make it more headlight), and your shots will end up shorter if you don't follow through really well. Also, if the Tour comes a bit out of spec (not unusual), you'll end up in 330s SW, which is not what most people who buy it are looking for (and in which case you'd probably prefer a Pro).

If you're ok with everything I stated above, then definitely Tour. Don't get me wrong, it's a great stick.

 

[teitat]

@brunomartorelli Thank you for the reply. I personally would prefer to not add weights because I tend to become too superstitious about it and end up in an endless loop of minor adjustments.
My game actually isn't that spin based, but I do need some to dip the ball in. Also as you said, I'll need the whippiness to better handle low balls. Sounds like I'll have to actually demo it to be sure if I am comfortable with the combination of the swing weight and string pattern.
Do you think I would be able to make the launch angle and spin closer to the MP by stringing the Tour at a lower tension?

 

[BBM]

I don't know because I haven't played the MP. I totally ruled it out which was stupid.

What I do know is that the Tour plays in between a classic 18x20 and a 16x19, but still a little closer to 18x20. this is probably because up to now there really haven't been many 100sq.in 18x20 frames, so naturally it's more open than what 18x20 users are used to. No idea what the 16x20 plays like, but it might be what you're looking for.

I think you'll definitely need some tail weight (leather grip?) on it though, because at 325mm unstrung I would think it won't be too whippy... If you do that you'll end up with the same weight as a Tour, a little more headlight balance for more whippyness, pretty much the same SW (plus you'll be more hedged against their terrible QC), and a little more open string pattern, which is what I wish I had. All else is the same..

About QC: one of mine came at 302g and 325mm unstrung. Feels really good. The other came in at 305g (which is point-on), but at 330mm unstrung, which is 5mm more than it should. That was enough to make it clock 330 SW, which is borderline too much for me. And to make it the same balance as the other I'd need about 5g on the handle, but then they'd be 8g apart which is quite noticeable. I like both of the racquets but they're noticeably different. Honestly if you're gonna get a pair and don't want to customize them, do make sure you pay for TW's matching service..

 

[teitat]

Good advice. Thank you.

 

[lefty100]

I have 2 Mps and 2 Tours - they are both excellent but I primarily play the Tour and this is because it is noticeably more stable and because it does have a lower launch angle, so switching between the MP & Tour is not straightforward and takes about 10-15 mins. I don't find getting spin an issue with the Tour. I think Bruno is right about the QC issues and the implications for swingweight - one of mine is bang on 305g and the other is about 300g and you can feel the difference. Overall, they are both so comfortable on your wrist, elbow and shoulder and that is a huge advantage of the Gravity range.

 

[teitat]

I think this is confirming my suspicions. If the Tour kept all its specs, but had a more open string pattern, it would be a no question buy. I would really have to try the Tour for myself to see if the lower spin potential would be a problem.

 

[Deleted member 766578]

I think this is confirming my suspicions. If the Tour kept all its specs, but had a more open string pattern, it would be a no question buy. I would really have to try the Tour for myself to see if the lower spin potential would be a problem.

Assuming the Gravity Tour uses the same string pattern as the Pro, the 18x20 is a pretty open 18x20, similar to that of the last few generations of Princes, and doesn't really take away too much of the spin potential. What it does do is stabilize the control you get

I had an MP and a Pro, and played with the MP quite alot because I enjoyed the response at a lighter weight, however it sprays balls erratically quite often if you're not absolutely on point and I couldn't hit my spots as well as I could the Pro. I asked Chris from TW if the Tour's control was comparable to the Pro and he believed so - so I think Tour would be the better option

I did try adding a little bit of weight to the MP to bring up to similar specs as a Tour in terms of static weight, and it just kind of ruined it for me

 

[teitat]

Assuming the Gravity Tour uses the same string pattern as the Pro, the 18x20 is a pretty open 18x20, similar to that of the last few generations of Princes, and doesn't really take away too much of the spin potential. What it does do is stabilize the control you get

I had an MP and a Pro, and played with the MP quite alot because I enjoyed the response at a lighter weight, however it sprays balls erratically quite often if you're not absolutely on point and I couldn't hit my spots as well as I could the Pro. I asked Chris from TW if the Tour's control was comparable to the Pro and he believed so - so I think Tour would be the better option

I did try adding a little bit of weight to the MP to bring up to similar specs as a Tour in terms of static weight, and it just kind of ruined it for me

Hmmm...I did have some occasional spraying when I demo'd the MP, but I just thought it was because of the really old string on the demo I got.

 

[lefty100]

Hmmm...I did have some occasional spraying when I demo'd the MP, but I just thought it was because of the really old string on the demo I got.

The Tour is the way to go!

 

[blablavla]

Assuming the Gravity Tour uses the same string pattern as the Pro, the 18x20 is a pretty open 18x20, similar to that of the last few generations of Princes, and doesn't really take away too much of the spin potential. What it does do is stabilize the control you get

I had an MP and a Pro, and played with the MP quite alot because I enjoyed the response at a lighter weight, however it sprays balls erratically quite often if you're not absolutely on point and I couldn't hit my spots as well as I could the Pro. I asked Chris from TW if the Tour's control was comparable to the Pro and he believed so - so I think Tour would be the better option

I did try adding a little bit of weight to the MP to bring up to similar specs as a Tour in terms of static weight, and it just kind of ruined it for me

same here.
I tried MP. It is an amazingly versatile frame, and at low pace it was virtually impossible to make a mistake, while having 100% variation in shot selection.
However, as soon as I started to deal either with solid incoming pace, or with hitting at proper pace, it was too erratic.
I tried to add 8g of lead at 3/9, but this didn't really help.

Then I tried Tour.
Was a bit difficult to dial it in, after almost 10 years of Pure Aero, but as soon as I got used to it, it is an amazing frame.
On service, I can get almost the same amount of kick.
Baseline, sure, it doesn't give you as much spin as PA, but more directional control, so changing from CC -> DTL for example is much easier with Tour.
Volley is very easy with Tour. Essentially the frame volleys by itself, I only need to "not mess it up", almost effortless volley

finally I decided to buy Gravity Tour.
but my game is not so much depending on the amount of spin I am getting from the frame.
In fact I like the directional control which is superior on 18x20 pattern.

 

[BBM]

Honestly just demo them both, but two things to consider:

1. Use the same string setup and tension to compare apples to apples, as people underestimate the difference this makes. Spend a little money restringing so you make a better choice.
2. If you need the added stability of the tour, there’s no running from adding weight to the MP. Do consider doing this before discarding it as too light. It has plenty of space to customize.


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[DJTaurus]

I still believe head made a big mistake by not releasing a 16x19 tour instead of 18x20. Such an amazing solid frame with excellent feel that it could be even sweater/spin friendly if it was 16x19

 

[BBM]

I still believe head made a big mistake by not releasing a 16x19 tour instead of 18x20. Such an amazing solid frame with excellent feel that it could be even sweater/spin friendly if it was 16x19

Totally agree... Most players who enjoy the benefits of a 18x20 string bed are at a higher level, and for that you have the Pro...

 

[teitat]

I guess their logic was that the Gravity was designed for Zverev, so the Pro was the main racquet, and all the other version are modifications of it. So the natural progression was to lighten the Pro to get the Tour while keeping the string pattern.
What I don't get is why they thought they needed three light versions in S, MP lite ,and Lite that barely differentiate from each other.

 

[blablavla]

Totally agree... Most players who enjoy the benefits of a 18x20 string bed are at a higher level, and for that you have the Pro...

Pro might be too heavy for many modern players.
Tour is appealing at 305g and amazing weight distribution / SW.

But yes, perhaps one day they will offer GTour 18x20 and GTour 16x19

 

[blablavla]

I guess their logic was that the Gravity was designed for Zverev, so the Pro was the main racquet, and all the other version are modifications of it. So the natural progression was to lighten the Pro to get the Tour while keeping the string pattern.
What I don't get is why they thought they needed three light versions in S, MP lite ,and Lite that barely differentiate from each other.

it's a family of rackets and I guess that every frame required a fair amount of R&D and fine-tuning.
GPro beyond weight has a 20mm beam, while Tour and MP has 22m, so probably they share very little in common beyond Gravity name and relatively low RA.
Tour and MP have different weight, string pattern, SW and I think RA is as well different -> so probably they also share little in common. A bit more than Pro and the rest of the line, yet different frames that need to be designed differently.

 

[DJTaurus]

Imagine Gravity at 16x19 when even at 18x20 blows in terms of feel and feedback on contact every other head stick out there. It’s by far the one with the softest touch..... for example on Tour version the only thing missing is A HIGHER LAUNCH ANGLE...... i want easy spin and easy depth and not thinking every time to muscle/force the ball. I also disagree with most reviews on MP version that it lacked stability. It seems a normal review procedure when you have to point pros and cons. I ask all the testers to found a more solid frame at the weight class of MP that not only plays solid but gives you the solid feel of heavier sticks. Every other head racquet to me feels like a tweener compared to Gravity line. Such a missed opportunity that this mold was not offered at least with 16x19 pattern.

 

[smalahove]

I have both the Pro and the Tour, and the Pro has a lower launch angle. Ime the Tour has medium high launch angle. Lower than a Pure Aero or Vcore 98, but higher than a Blade 98 V7 16x19. I haven't tried the MP, but the Pro and Tour are pretty different rackets when it comes to feel. The Tour is a very nice allrounder, like a softer playing, more precise Pure Drive type of racket, whilst the Pro is buttery smooth on impact, but rock solid at the same time. The Pro really rewards driving the ball hard.

 

[lefty100]

Imagine Gravity at 16x19 when even at 18x20 blows in terms of feel and feedback on contact every other head stick out there. It’s by far the one with the softest touch..... for example on Tour version the only thing missing is A HIGHER LAUNCH ANGLE...... i want easy spin and easy depth and not thinking every time to muscle/force the ball. I also disagree with most reviews on MP version that it lacked stability. It seems a normal review procedure when you have to point pros and cons. I ask all the testers to found a more solid frame at the weight class of MP that not only plays solid but gives you the solid feel of heavier sticks. Every other head racquet to me feels like a tweener compared to Gravity line. Such a missed opportunity that this mold was not offered at least with 16x19 pattern.

Agreed MP is not unstable for its weight class but compared to the Tour it is less stable. I have kept both my MPs and play with them regularly and immediately sold both my Yonex Ezone 100s when I got them. The MP is a very good racquet.

 

[Deleted member 766578]

I've been meaning to get a Tour for some time, but because i already had the 2 other Gravitys...i wanted the Prestige MP , Head PT 2.0 which I have now, the Prince 100x is also really nice too

But now considering the new Speed MP or GTour, cant decide - but apart from my recent choices I always looked for a 300-305g unstrung racquet, so either or looks to be a good option

 

[teitat]

I've been meaning to get a Tour for some time, but because i already had the 2 other Gravitys...i wanted the Prestige MP , Head PT 2.0 which I have now, the Prince 100x is also really nice too

Prince 100x is actually on my demo list too. How do you feel it compares to Gravity especially in stability, sweet zone, and maneuverability?

 

[Deleted member 766578]

Prince 100x is actually on my demo list too. How do you feel it compares to Gravity especially in stability, sweet zone, and maneuverability?

I think it's a very good frame all around, I actually had to buy the 290g version, because the 305g stocked out, but i weighted it up to similar strung static specs around 322-324g and possibly being a slight more headlight than the 305g version, and I think it's a bunch better racquet than the Gravity MP

With the Gravity MP I was looking for a manoeuvrable version of the Pro, thin beam, low static weight, stable, easy to swing, soft and decent control and big sweet spot (Tour wasn't available other than Europe at the time) - basically everything you would not expect to find in lighter racquets lol

But It's exactly what I got with the 290g 100x where the Gravity MP kind of failed me - it played well even in stock, but played even better with the lead for sure without losing any of the aforementioned qualities.

Power level is probably similar to the Gravity MP, which is fairly low, but I generally swing out, and its flex feels beautiful even with stiffer polys - whereas both Gravity MP and Pro was very tension and string sensitive - go too high or use the wrong string and it becomes a bit hollow and sometimes boardy

Sweet zone is just as nice aswell - comparison wise, GPro is my main tournament racquet, and the sweet spot is just like no other racquet with the tear drop shape and what not, but the 100x I don't notice much of a drop in the size of the zone

The only thing I wished was for an 18x20 pattern, because the 18x20 in the 100x is the heaviest version, I generally like lighter racquets - even a 16x19 or 16x20, just for the slight extra bit of control would be a near perfect racquet at this type of weight

 

[blablavla]

Imagine Gravity at 16x19 when even at 18x20 blows in terms of feel and feedback on contact every other head stick out there. It’s by far the one with the softest touch..... for example on Tour version the only thing missing is A HIGHER LAUNCH ANGLE...... i want easy spin and easy depth and not thinking every time to muscle/force the ball. I also disagree with most reviews on MP version that it lacked stability. It seems a normal review procedure when you have to point pros and cons. I ask all the testers to found a more solid frame at the weight class of MP that not only plays solid but gives you the solid feel of heavier sticks. Every other head racquet to me feels like a tweener compared to Gravity line. Such a missed opportunity that this mold was not offered at least with 16x19 pattern.

perhaps Head decided that GTour is a control oriented frame. I mean directional control -> 18x20
those who want spin -> can try Extreme, Instinct. Those frames are focused on spin.

Otherwise, launching a GTour in 16x19 and then eventually Extreme and Instinct in 18x20 will result in a bunch of frames that will completely disorient any consumer.

 

[DJTaurus]

perhaps Head decided that GTour is a control oriented frame. I mean directional control -> 18x20
those who want spin -> can try Extreme, Instinct. Those frames are focused on spin.

Otherwise, launching a GTour in 16x19 and then eventually Extreme and Instinct in 18x20 will result in a bunch of frames that will completely disorient any consumer.

My problem is that those frames are mediocre in terms of feel/feedback compared to gravity line. I can’t imagine how sweet a 16x19 gravity would have been. And don’t tell me about prestige line..... way too underpowered. Radical 360 hollow and mediocre feel too. Head still hasn’t an answer to Blade 16x19.

 

[Deleted member 766578]

Use a nice sharp or shaped poly or thin gauge on the 18x20 Gravity's, fixed any launch angle issue I had with it - Diadem Solstice Power 16L (star shape, plenty of bite) , or I currently use MSV Co-focus hex 1.15mm for practice sessions (cheaper longer term use) and for tournaments I use Tour Bite 1.15mm, which honestly plays so nice in the GPro

 

[BigLou]

If buying the Gravity Tour from TW or TWE I’d recommend using their racquet matching service to check the specs before you buy. The QC of the 6 they measured for me was awful: only 3 had flex of 61 (others were 62 and 63), of those with 61, the swingweight range (279 to 291), mass and balance points meant that no 2 could actually be matched. None of them were the Head advertised spec.


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[Tmano]

Are the Gravity tour and the Pro more powerful than the Yonex DR 98, which is the racquet I'm using?
Are they also slightly stiffer?

 

[BBM]

Yonex DR 98 more powerful than the GTour, but not by that much. A lot of it I feel is related to the string bed. You definitely get more depth and spin with the DR 98. Also, the DR 98 is very whippy especially due to the very HL balance, while the Gravity Tour is not. So it's much easier to generate head spead when swinging, and that also plays into effect when evaluating "power".

Also, although the RA is pretty much the same, the DR 98 feels way stiffer. The Gravity Tour has this classic flex to it, cups the ball more, and is more forgiving of off-centered shots as far as vibrations go. The DR 98 plays more like a tweener raquet. I don't feel it flex and bend at all.

 

[smalahove]

The issue I have with the Tour is that it's a bit head heavy, and it doesn't offer the same return-on-investment as the Pro when you put your weight into the shot. I know I can make it more headlight, but as I prefer the feel of the Pro and new Prestige MP, I'm letting these go as I've (once again) come to the conclusion I prefer 20 mm flat beams. Which will prob only last until I try the new Extreme or some other super power frame

 

[DJTaurus]

The real debate would be: A leaded MP Vs an on spec Tour. Has anyone tried it ?

 

[Tmano]

Yonex DR 98 more powerful than the GTour, but not by that much. A lot of it I feel is related to the string bed. You definitely get more depth and spin with the DR 98. Also, the DR 98 is very whippy especially due to the very HL balance, while the Gravity Tour is not. So it's much easier to generate head spead when swinging, and that also plays into effect when evaluating "power".

Also, although the RA is pretty much the same, the DR 98 feels way stiffer. The Gravity Tour has this classic flex to it, cups the ball more, and is more forgiving of off-centered shots as far as vibrations go. The DR 98 plays more like a tweener raquet. I don't feel it flex and bend at all.

Thanks Bruno! Good stuff!
That was a great feedback, especially because I think that the DR 98 feels soft in my opinion, therefore I probably would not like the Gravity tour being softer. Is the Pro soft as well?
I have always played with head till last year when disappointed because I could not find a decent racquet so I switched to Yonex.
Now though with the Gravity out and also the Speed 360 I'm hoping to switch back but it has to be better than the DR 98.

 

[fjcamry]

My problem is that those frames are mediocre in terms of feel/feedback compared to gravity line. I can’t imagine how sweet a 16x19 gravity would have been. And don’t tell me about prestige line..... way too underpowered. Radical 360 hollow and mediocre feel too. Head still hasn’t an answer to Blade 16x19.

The prestige 360+ mp is powerful with the new mold 20mm beam and 98” . It is lower powered and well controlled helping you to generate more power . Especially telling is how well it feels and it’s precision. The 360+ are well balanced and the weight is evenly distributed. I use proline ll 16g and syngut hybrid. The demo came with head lynx tour and syngut . The stability is excellent with the 7HL and low swing weight. At 11.8oz (334gm) and 32cm balance, I heard it feels better than the blade and Yonex 97hd.


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[MAPE]

The real debate would be: A leaded MP Vs an on spec Tour. Has anyone tried it ?

I’m thinking of this as well. I’ve playtested MP quite a lot I really like the feel, string pattern, sweet spot and manoeuvrability. However, at times with high incoming pace it is a bit unstable. Not a major problem I can still control the ball. I figure some added weight in the handle (leather grip?) would help without compromising manoeuvrability? Very curious to hear others experiences.

 

[blablavla]

The real debate would be: A leaded MP Vs an on spec Tour. Has anyone tried it ?

I tried to add 8g of lead 3/9 to the MP + overgrip and decided to purchase the Tour as MP was lacking stability.
After adding the lead and overgrip to MP, beyond not reaching desired stability, it (MP) became different, and completely lost its appeal to me.

 

[Deleted member 766578]

I tried to add 8g of lead 3/9 to the MP + overgrip and decided to purchase the Tour as MP was lacking stability.
After adding the lead and overgrip to MP, beyond not reaching desired stability, it (MP) became different, and completely lost its appeal to me.

I also leaded up about 4g @ 3/9 and 2g @ 12, + tungsten putty in trap door about 10g, and yes exactly the same, it lost everything that i enjoyed about it in the first place and seemingly made it worse , or lost what I liked about it, and gave me no further benefits

 

[blablavla]

I also leaded up about 4g @ 3/9 and 2g @ 12, + tungsten putty in trap door about 10g, and yes exactly the same, it lost everything that i enjoyed about it in the first place and seemingly made it worse , or lost what I liked about it, and gave me further benefits

I must add here, that after adding 4g of lead at 3/9 + overgrip I thought that I am on the right way.
so, perhaps some other combination would work better, but as I am a novice to customization, and Tour had all that I wanted in stock form -> the answer was obvious

 

[phanamous]

That's really odd. I find my DR98 too soft compared to the the Gravity Tour. DR98 is probably the only racquet I'd consider playing with full poly with because of its softness.

Tried Gravity MP, Tour, Pro with the same string. Disliked the MP as it felt hollow and not as dampen as the Tour or Pro. This is due to the lack of weight in the hoop which also makes the Tour and Pro more head heavy and not as easy to swing. Thought the open 16x19 in the MP would help to soften it but it didn't much. Not as stable and would need heavy weight mods for me.

As mentioned with the bad QC, you could ask TW matching service to find you the most head heavy MP or the most head light Tour depending on your string pattern preference. I would go for the latter in my case.

If you're really set on something like the MP, have a look at the Wilson Blade 101L also. It's a very easy swinging 16x20 that's more twist stable and arm friendly I find. Have to mod a bit though as I have to add 25gm to the butt end. Love the 2014/15? version that's black with the green stripes. Bought the 2019 version but haven't yet been able to try it out yet.

 

[BBM]

The real debate would be: A leaded MP Vs an on spec Tour. Has anyone tried it ?

Tour on spec feels amazing. Get one that's a little on the head heavy side like I did, and SW is over my limit.
Never tried the MP to be honest, but I would like to do that because of the more open pattern, and to be able to get it a little more headlight. 10g to the handle should be awesome.
As for the previous comments on instability, I honestly think that if you're playing against people who hit heavy enough to make this racquet unstable, then you could probably handle the Tour or the Pro. You will have to deal with a tighter stringbed though. My issue with Tour/Pro is quality control making SW too high. Tour on-spec already matches my limit

Thanks Bruno! Good stuff!
That was a great feedback, especially because I think that the DR 98 feels soft in my opinion, therefore I probably would not like the Gravity tour being softer. Is the Pro soft as well?
I have always played with head till last year when disappointed because I could not find a decent racquet so I switched to Yonex.
Now though with the Gravity out and also the Speed 360 I'm hoping to switch back but it has to be better than the DR 98.

I demoed the Pro. Yes it feels a little softer, and way heaftier.. You really need a full swing, and good footwork. But it does plow through the ball like crazy. Good for hitting flat, definitely not spin though. The one I had clocked 341 SW at the RDC machine, and it was point on at 315g unstrung.

 

[BBM]

That's really odd. I find my DR98 too soft compared to the the Gravity Tour. DR98 is probably the only racquet I'd consider playing with full poly with because of its softness.

Tried Gravity MP, Tour, Pro with the same string. Disliked the MP as it felt hollow and not as dampen as the Tour or Pro. This is due to the lack of weight in the hoop which also makes the Tour and Pro more head heavy and not as easy to swing. Thought the open 16x19 in the MP would help to soften it but it didn't much. Not as stable and would need heavy weight mods for me.

As mentioned with the bad QC, you could ask TW matching service to find you the most head heavy MP or the most head light Tour depending on your string pattern preference. I would go for the latter in my case.

If you're really set on something like the MP, have a look at the Wilson Blade 101L also. It's a very easy swinging 16x20 that's more twist stable and arm friendly I find. Have to mod a bit though as I have to add 25gm to the butt end. Love the 2014/15? version that's black with the green stripes. Bought the 2019 version but haven't yet been able to try it out yet.

Indeed "feel" is something very subjective that cannot be fully explained..!! Specs will only tell you so much. Tennisnerd actually posted a really cool video about this (on his Patreon page).

 

[Tmano]

Tour on spec feels amazing. Get one that's a little on the head heavy side like I did, and SW is over my limit.
Never tried the MP to be honest, but I would like to do that because of the more open pattern, and to be able to get it a little more headlight. 10g to the handle should be awesome.
As for the previous comments on instability, I honestly think that if you're playing against people who hit heavy enough to make this racquet unstable, then you could probably handle the Tour or the Pro. You will have to deal with a tighter stringbed though. My issue with Tour/Pro is quality control making SW too high. Tour on-spec already matches my limit



I demoed the Pro. Yes it feels a little softer, and way heaftier.. You really need a full swing, and good footwork. But it does plow through the ball like crazy. Good for hitting flat, definitely not spin though. The one I had clocked 341 SW at the RDC machine, and it was point on at 315g unstrung.

Very nice thanks! i think i would rather demo the pro than the tour then.....hoping it's not that more soft than the DR98.

 

[alpenglo]

The GTour and GPro are 18x20 in name only. The string pattern density is similar to that of a Radical OS (which is 18 x 19 on a much larger frame) and is pretty evenly distributed on the face which enhances the consistency of their response. They are both *control* racquets with the latitude to play a modern game, meaning your technique dictates how much spin and power is produced. That is a good thing and enables you to hit heavy spin groundstrokes but also flatten out drives with decent accuracy when the opportunity arises. Both racquets produce more than enough power when you swing out (again, think control). The Pro is definitely on the heavy side (Head can't seem to keep to their stated swing weight--mine's over 340) and not really open to much customization, so IMO, the Tour is the sweet-spot of the Gravity line. YMMV.

 

[Tmano]

Did anybody tried or played with the Grapheme Speed 360 Pro and moved to the Gravity Pro or Tour?

 

[Deleted member 766578]

Did anybody tried or played with the Grapheme Speed 360 Pro and moved to the Gravity Pro or Tour?

I had the Pro Stock version which was like TGT339.1 or something, and the feeling at contact was really nice if you hit the dead centre, but it lacked stability and the sweet spot was very small IMO, anything outside the centre you'd feel it stiffen up and lose the nice flex

I did use the retail as well but not very long, i just remember the pro stock seemed similar, biggest difference was the feel of the flex, retail being alot more hollow feeling

 

[Tmano]

I had the Pro Stock version which was like TGT339.1 or something, and the feeling at contact was really nice if you hit the dead centre, but it lacked stability and the sweet spot was very small IMO, anything outside the centre you'd feel it stiffen up and lose the nice flex

Udid use the retail as well but not very long, i just remember the pro stock seemed similar, biggest difference was the feel of the flex, retail being alot more hollow feeling

wow was it a 16x19?how did you find that pro stock? maybe you are a high level player?
It makes sense, the retail racquets are always not very comparable to the pro stock!

 

[Deleted member 766578]

wow was it a 16x19?how did you find that pro stock? maybe you are a high level player?
It makes sense, the retail racquets are always not very comparable to the pro stock!

Was the 18x20, friend of mine had the MP 16x19 and was supposed to be a lot more forgiving - don't get me wrong it was a very good platform racquet for customization, but I preferred the Gravity Pro by far anyway so I didn't stick with it

I don't think the differences in performance were so drastic, It felt like it was just made up of a different layup / material and gave a nicer response and feel, but in terms of spin and all it was not crazy different - probably because it's the same mold and honestly the retail racquets are fine

I've also tried the latest retail Speed Pro 360+ with spiral fibres, and it has a much nicer feel and flex, much more solid and less hollow , so they are moving in the right direction - high swingweight and head heavy balance was not the greatest though in stock, kind of defeated the purpose of the name lol

 

[DJTaurus]

I've also tried the latest retail Speed Pro 360+ with spiral fibres, and it has a much nicer feel and flex, much more solid and less hollow , so they are moving in the right direction - high swingweight and head heavy balance was not the greatest though in stock, kind of defeated the purpose of the name lol

I have to disagree. Speed line is all about speed.....and they made both mp and pro with increasing SW, slow as a truck. They are both strung close to 330SW.... imagine those receiving their MPs without matching frames and got racquets with similar SW to 18x20 Blades for example. They fixed the feel but destroyed maneuverability.

 

[Deleted member 766578]

I have to disagree. Speed line is all about speed.....and they made both mp and pro with increasing SW, slow as a truck. They are both strung close to 330SW.... imagine those receiving their MPs without matching frames and got racquets with similar SW to 18x20 Blades for example. They fixed the feel but destroyed maneuverability.

I agreed with what you said lol

high swingweight and head heavy balance was not the greatest though in stock, kind of defeated the purpose of the name lol

In terms of moving in the right direction, I'm more referring to the brand as a whole, Prestige, Gravity and Speed (this and last generation) have been much better racquets

My whole bag is filled with new gen head racquets, and a couple princes

 

[megamind]

same here.
I tried MP. It is an amazingly versatile frame, and at low pace it was virtually impossible to make a mistake, while having 100% variation in shot selection.
However, as soon as I started to deal either with solid incoming pace, or with hitting at proper pace, it was too erratic.
I tried to add 8g of lead at 3/9, but this didn't really help.

Then I tried Tour.
Was a bit difficult to dial it in, after almost 10 years of Pure Aero, but as soon as I got used to it, it is an amazing frame.
On service, I can get almost the same amount of kick.
Baseline, sure, it doesn't give you as much spin as PA, but more directional control, so changing from CC -> DTL for example is much easier with Tour.
Volley is very easy with Tour. Essentially the frame volleys by itself, I only need to "not mess it up", almost effortless volley

finally I decided to buy Gravity Tour.
but my game is not so much depending on the amount of spin I am getting from the frame.
In fact I like the directional control which is superior on 18x20 pattern.

i have a similar story to you, went from a pure drive to a gravity tour

 

[Tmano]

Was the 18x20, friend of mine had the MP 16x19 and was supposed to be a lot more forgiving - don't get me wrong it was a very good platform racquet for customization, but I preferred the Gravity Pro by far anyway so I didn't stick with it

I don't think the differences in performance were so drastic, It felt like it was just made up of a different layup / material and gave a nicer response and feel, but in terms of spin and all it was not crazy different - probably because it's the same mold and honestly the retail racquets are fine

I've also tried the latest retail Speed Pro 360+ with spiral fibres, and it has a much nicer feel and flex, much more solid and less hollow , so they are moving in the right direction - high swingweight and head heavy balance was not the greatest though in stock, kind of defeated the purpose of the name lol

I think I'm gonna have to buy some used at a nice price, one of each, a Gravity Tour or Pro and the 360 Speed Pro and see how the play. I'm would not be particularly concerned with a little hollow feeling of the Speed 360 Pro cause when the first Grapheme Radical Pro came out I thought it was a decent frame despite a lot were complaining about the stiffness and the hollow feeling.
Now that i'm using the DR98 it feels almost too soft in a way that does not rewards when you hit a winner, if you know what I mean.