How many of slam finals of Sampras`s do you think Federer would have won?

How many finals of Samrpas`s would Fed have won?

  • none

    Votes: 9 29.0%
  • 1 or 2

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 3 or 4

    Votes: 1 3.2%
  • 5 or 6

    Votes: 1 3.2%
  • 7 or 8

    Votes: 2 6.5%
  • 9 or 10

    Votes: 2 6.5%
  • 11 or 12

    Votes: 4 12.9%
  • 13

    Votes: 3 9.7%
  • 14

    Votes: 9 29.0%

  • Total voters
    31
Just for fun how many of the 14 slam finals Sampras won do you think Federer also would have won vs the same opponents Sampras beat to win those finals. These are the 14:

1990 U.S Open vs Agassi
1993 Wimbledon final vs Courier
1993 U.S Open final vs Pioline
1994 Australian Open final vs Martin
1994 Wimbledon final vs Ivanisevic
1995 Wimbledon final vs Becker
1995 U.S Open final vs Agassi
1996 U.S Open final vs Chang
1997 Australian Open final vs Moya
1997 Wimbledon final vs Pioline
1998 Wimbledon final vs Ivanisevic
1999 Wimbledon final vs Agassi
2000 Wimbledon final vs Rafter
2002 U.S Open final vs Agassi
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
You know this is going to turn into a ******* contest, don't you?

Both Sampras & Federer are truly great players who would have done well in either era.

And I think Sampras wouldn't lose any sleep the night before facing Philippousis, Roddick, Baghdatis in slam finals.
 

Andres

G.O.A.T.
federerhoogenbandfan said:
Just for fun how many of the 14 slam finals Sampras won do you think Federer also would have won vs the same opponents Sampras beat to win those finals. These are the 14:

2000 Wimbledon final vs Ivanisevic
Unexisting final.

He won the 2000 Wimby final against Rafter.
 
federerhoogenbandfan said:
[size=+4]Just for fun[/size] how many of the 14 slam finals Sampras won do you think Federer also would have won vs the same opponents Sampras beat to win those finals. These are the 14:

1990 U.S Open vs Agassi
1993 Wimbledon final vs Courier
1993 U.S Open final vs Pioline
1994 Australian Open final vs Martin
1994 Wimbledon final vs Ivanisevic
1995 Wimbledon final vs Becker
1995 U.S Open final vs Agassi
1996 U.S Open final vs Chang
1997 Australian Open final vs Moya
1997 Wimbledon final vs Pioline
1998 Wimbledon final vs Ivanisevic
1999 Wimbledon final vs Agassi
2000 Wimbledon final vs Ivanisevic
2002 U.S Open final vs Agassi
Yeah......just for fun......sure

Federer would've won ALL of them; all in straight sets as well.

Feel better?

Next thread please....
 
I think he would have got quite a few of them, maybe more then half. I think Federer is a better overall player then Pete and Fed handles big servers well!
 

jamauss

Hall of Fame
All 14 and I also think he would've won some of the finals Pete lost like against Hewitt at the US Open
 
Moose Malloy said:
You know this is going to turn into a ******* contest, don't you?

Yeah but I dont mind that. I dont get too involved in those back and forths, but I enjoy reading the people that do, great entertainment.
 

ksbh

Banned
Dedans,

Andre Agassi would have beaten him at Wimbledon 1999. Andre would have won that title if not for that guy named Pete Sampras.

But it's obvious you're jesting and this thread is all speculation anyway :)

Dedans Penthouse said:
Yeah......just for fun......sure

Federer would've won ALL of them; all in straight sets as well.

Feel better?

Next thread please....
 
I voted for 11 or 12. Here is how I see it:


Total locks for Federer:

Wimbledon final vs Courier
Wimbledon final vs Pioline
Australian final vs Martin
Australian final vs Moya
U.S Open final vs Pioline
U.S Open final vs Chang
Wimbledon final vs past-his-prime Becker
Wimbledon final #1 vs Ivanisevic
Wimbledon final vs Agassi

Probable, but not certain, wins for Federer:

Wimbledon final #2 vs Ivanisevic
Wimbledon final vs Rafter

Tough to call:

U.S Open final #1 vs Agassi
U.S Open final #2 vs Agassi
U.S Open final #3 vs Agassi

So 9 certain, 2 probably, and 3 maybe. Out of that probably 12 out of 14 so I voted 11-12.
 
ksbh said:
Dedans,

Andre Agassi would have beaten him at Wimbledon 1999. Andre would have won that title if not for that guy named Pete Sampras.

But it's obvious you're jesting and this thread is all speculation anyway :)

I laugh at the thought of Agassi beating Federer in a Wimbledon final personaly.
 

Grimjack

Banned
jamauss said:
All 14 and I also think he would've won some of the finals Pete lost like against Hewitt at the US Open

I think this is a stretch. Pete was better suited than Roger to Wimbledon during the "fast grass" era. So I think Pete would have won probably five or so Wimbledons, anyway.

But yeah, Fed would have won many of the titles against Pete + the field Pete faced, and certainly wouldn't have lost to Hewitt, e.g.

I figure, in that era, Fed would have won something like:

Pete's 14...

Minus the five Pete would have won anyway...

Plus a handful of Agassi's

Plus a bunch of Frenches, where there was no real dominant force on clay during that era.

I figure 16-20 total, if their careers had coincided, against the pseudo-competition Pete played in his reign. Andre would be a sad panda, who might have eked out one lucky title...two at the most.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Plus a bunch of Frenches, where there was no real dominant force on clay during that era.

Yeah, claycourt tennis today is so much better. We have Nadal, Fed, & who? Gaudio? Coria?

The 90s had Bruguera, Muster, Rios, Corretja, Kuerten, Moya, Costa all at their peaks on clay. Plus floaters like Berasategui, Arazi, Mantilla.
Wonder how Fed would fare beating Muster, Medvedev, Bruguera, Kafelnikov back to back(like Guga in '97)?
Beating Coria, Gaudio & anyone other than Nadal today on clay isn't exactly as impressive as some of those 90s French Open fields.
 

jhhachamp

Hall of Fame
Well, its real hard to comment on the ones after 1996 because we don't really know how Federer will play in 2007 and beyond. But as for the first slams that Sampras won, I don't think he would beat Agassi in the 1990 US Open final, he just wasn't matured at that early stage yet. I think if him and Sampras switched times though, he would have won fairly easily all the rest of the slams through 1996 with the exception of Agassi in the 95 US Open. Agassi was playing his best tennis at that time IMO, and Fed struggled with a lesser 2005 Agassi in the 05' Open. I think this one is a toss up, although I would definitely give it to Fed assuming 2004 US Open form.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
jamauss said:
All 14 and I also think he would've won some of the finals Pete lost like against Hewitt at the US Open

Let's wait until Fed gets slow and too old to play semis and finals on back to back days before we compare Fed at age 24 to Sampras at 30.
 

AAAA

Hall of Fame
travlerajm said:
Let's wait until Fed gets slow and too old to play semis and finals on back to back days before we compare Fed at age 24 to Sampras at 30.

So Pete's last slam title, USO, was a fluke then? For sure he was dog tired and fluked the victory, right?
 

superman1

Legend
How about having enough intelligence to understand what someone says without having to question everything they say? Maybe Sampras thought the 2002 US Open was his last shot and went deeper than ever to pull it out?

I like how people say Federer would have never lost to Hewitt or Safin in the US Open final. How about a 30 year old Federer vs a 19 year old Hewitt and a 20 year old Safin on fire?
 

VGP

Legend
dumb poll

Fed was 9 when Sampras won the USO.

His game wasn't together when Sampras retired.

History's history......
 
I voted 7 just to be diplomatic. But matchups are matchups, and roger has a higher chance of breaking pete on grass as great as pete was and I think pete would be feeling it like he would have never before. I think pete would spank nadal like a little girl, whilst he gives roger trouble.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
AAAA said:
So Pete's last slam title, USO, was a fluke then? For sure he was dog tired and fluked the victory, right?

His last victory strengthens my argument that it's harder for an old guy to play back-to-back best-of-5-setters.

The 2 US Open finals before Pete's last one, each time he had to play a 20-yr-old young'n' in the final (safin, then hewitt). Then finally he got to play someone older than he was (Agassi).
 

ctbmar

Semi-Pro
If Federer goes back in time and replaces Sampras...

If Federer goes back in time and swap places with Sampras, meaning a young Federer starting out in 1988 and ending his career in 2002 while a young Sampras now age 24, started on in 1998 and still currently playing in today's 2006 tour...

1990 U.S Open vs Agassi...Federer will win this one in 4 sets. Federer simply does everything better than Agassi. But Sampras won Agassi in 3 sets because Sampras was better than Federer when they were both 19.
1992 U.S Open vs Edberg...Federer will lose to Edberg in 4 sets. Edberg was in his peak and volleys were so sharp. Federer has not matured yet and will find difficulty in passing Edberg at the net. Federer will lose by the same score as what Sampras lost to Edberg.
1993 Wimbledon final vs Courier...Federer will win this one in 3 sets. Federer all court game will rip Courier apart and he does everything better than Courier. Sampras won this in 4 sets.
1993 U.S Open final vs Pioline...Federer will win this one in 3 sets. Sampras won in 3 sets too.
1994 Australian Open final vs Martin...Federer will win this one in 3 sets.
Todd Martin is not as good as a tired Safin, so Federer will beat Martin in 3 sets like Sampras won in 3 sets as well.
1994 Wimbledon final vs Ivanisevic...Now Federer will be reaching his dominating form here. Roddick and Ivanisevic is around the same standard.
Federer will win in 4 sets, but Sampras won in 3 sets.

1995 Wimbledon final vs Becker...Becker was growing old and Federer will be in his dominating form. I remembered that Becker had a mental block when he played Sampras in 1995...Prior to this match, Sampras was ahead 6-5 against Becker, 1-0 on grass in Wimbledon 1993, but Sampras lost 5 matches to Becker on Carpet before Wimbledon 1995. So I believe that Federer could at least win 2 of these carpet matches, so Federer's H-to-H vs Becker would be 8-3. Federer will win this one in 4 sets as well because of Becker's experience. Sampras also won in 4 sets.

1995 Australian final vs Agassi...Agassi was a 2 time Majors winner before this match, like a Hewitt who was a 2 time Majors winner, but Agassi was playing red hot and was experiencing in his 1st peak of his career. Sampras had difficulties playing Agassi on clay and rebound ace, but Federer game also suits slower surfaces and Federer is a better player than Sampras on slower surfaces. So Federer in his dominating form will beat Agassi in 1995. Agassi will be playing his own mirror image but someone who has a better serve and better volleys and comparable returns. This match up is simply delicious, too bad it's all speculation. I can imagine both Federer and Agassi bashing at each other's balls...Federer will win in 4 sets, maybe stretched to 5 sets. Sampras lost this match to Agassi in 4 sets.

1995 U.S Open final vs Agassi... Agassi vs Sampras head-to-head was 8-8 prior to this match. Agassi must be feeling good about his chances against Sampras since he won the US Open in 1994, Aus Open 1995 and peaking in his career. Those Tournaments on different surfaces besides clay that were before 1994, I will predict the same result with Federer vs Agassi, but for those 3 clay court matches Sampras lost to Agassi before this match between 1989 to 1992, I predict Federer will win 2 of them since Federer only lost to the very best true clay court players even when he was not at his peak yet. All those matches after Wimbledon 1993, I predict Federer will beat Agassi. So my prediction of Federer vs Agassi's Head-to-Head will be either 13-3 or 14-2 before this match. Federer will keep dominating a player once he got his number, eg. 9-0 against Hewitt after 2003 and Roddick 10-1. Agassi will still be hurting by his tough loss to Federer in Australian 1995, so Federer will have the mental edge and win this match in 3 sets or 4 sets. Federer may win one of the sets bagel 6-0 as well. Sampras won this match in 4 sets.

1996 U.S Open final vs Chang. Chang was 5-0 vs Sampras in their earlier years in their careers before Sampras turn it around 10-7 vs Chang before this match. So this matchup looks alot like Federer vs Hewitt or Federer vs Nalbandian because Hewitt and Nalbandian had very good record against Federer earlier in their careers but Federer has turned it around or is turning it around. The Head-to-Head between Federer and Chang will be also 10-7 like Sampras vs Chang before this match but Federer would have won some of the hard court matches and lose some of the carpet matches to Chang, so equalling the H-H as 10-7. Federer will win this match in 3 sets like what Sampras did in 1996 with a similar scoreline 6-1, 6-4, 7-6.

1997 Australian Open final vs Moya...Both Sampras and Federer have no problems with Moya and since it is Moya's 1st Major Final, Moya will not be a threat and he will be nervous. It's hard to keep doing passing shots against a very good net rusher like Sampras when playing in your 1st Majors, that's why Sampras won 6-2 6-3 6-3 easily against a nervous Moya. I believe Federer will be older than in 1997 at age mid 25+ and he plays a more baseline game than Sampras, so Moya will be allowed to rally more balls from the baseline. Federer will still win it, but it will be a tighter match. Federer will win in 3 tough sets or in 4 sets due to his experience in Majors.

1997 Wimbledon final vs Pioline...I did not realise that Pioline was such an easy meat for Sampras until I check the stats. Sampras vs Pioline Head-Head is 9-0. Federer would also end his career with the same 9-0 against Pioline. Federer before peaking at mid 1993 will still be good enough to win all the earlier matches against a 2 years older Pioline. If baseline play is not working, Federer will opt for S&V game, so Federer will win in a similar scoreline as Sampras 6-4, 6-2, 6-4.

1998 Wimbledon final vs Ivanisevic...Sampras vs Ivanisevic H-to-H was 10-6 before this match. Federer will capture these wins that Sampras had lost to Goran : 1993 Paris Indoor, 1993 Rome, 1996 Key Biscayne, Hard. So Federer's Head-Head with Ivanisevic will be 12-4 or 13-3, similar to the present day Federer vs Ljubicic 10-3 in 2006, still have 2 more years till 2008, to reach a similar H-to-H. With a better H-H record, I predict an older Federer in 2008 will either play the same style as Agassi in the 1992 finals (5 sets) and Federer will win in 4 sets or choose to play S&V like Sampras in 1998 finals (5 sets) and Federer will win in 4 sets.

1999 Wimbledon final vs Agassi. Federer will win in 3 sets if he plays S&V game like Sampras who won this match in 3 sets. But if Federer plays a more baseline game with Agassi, it will be a Federer win in 4 or 5 sets. An aging Federer will still have lots of firepower and variety in his game to pull out a win here. I strongly believe that Agassi should thank his lucky stars that he is not born or swap places with Hewitt or Federer did not swap places with Sampras, because Agassi may end up with 2 Majors for his whole career like what Hewitt will eventually have only 2 Majors when Hewitt retires.

2000 Wimbledon final vs Rafter...Sampras only started playing Rafter in mid 1993, so Federer's head-head with Rafter will not be so bad like 3-0 in modern times. Prior before this match, Sampras is 9-4 against Rafter and 5-0 in 1997. I believe Sampras volley game and bigger & better serve neutralize whatever advantage Rafter had, but I feel Rafter will give Federer more problems. So Rafter will win 2 or 3 of those 5 matches and Federer's H-H will be around 7-6 or 6-7 against Rafter, pretty even H-H. Sampras was 12-4 vs Rafter at their end of their careers, but Federer vs Rafter at their end of their careers should be around 8-8. Rafter was a rather late bloomer because he played his best tennis around 1998 to 2001. Sampras won this match in 4 sets, but I will go with a 5 sets win by an athletic net-rushing Rafter whose game was still near its prime against an aging Federer.

2000 U.S Open finals vs Safin...An aging Federer will not be able to cope with the power of the rising new Russian who was playing perfect power tennis on that day. But Federer will not go down as easily like Sampras to Marat. Federer will lose in 4 or 5 sets as compared to Sampras losing in 3 sets.

2001 U.S Open finals vs Hewitt...An aging Federer will have difficulties coping with the speed and tenacity of the rising Aussie that was dominating the tennis world during this time. But Federer will be like an old Agassi who has an even Head-Head record against Hewitt. Agassi was 2-1 vs Hewitt before 2001 US Open finals and 2-2 vs Hewitt at the end of year 2001, and currently their career H-H is 4-4. Federer will either beat Hewitt in 4 or 5 sets or lose in 4 or 5 sets as compared to Sampras losing in 3 easy sets. Sampras was a sitting duck for Hewitt because Hewitt loves a target to hit his passing shots. But Federer can play an attacking game like Sampras, play aggressive returns like Agassi or he can patiently rally with Hewitt from the back of the court. So for this match it is a toss-up. Federer could either win it or lose it but it will be a close match either way.

2002 U.S Open final vs Agassi...An aging Federer's court movements will not be slower than an aging Agassi. Federer would have dominated Agassi 25-9 in their career H-H more than Sampras dominated Agassi 20-14 in their career H-H. Judging from the US Open 2005 finals (4 sets), Federer does not have a big serve like Sampras who could gambled while serving when two players are in their twilights of their careers. Federer will win it in 5 sets. Sampras won this match in 4 sets.

So overall, Federer would either win 14 Majors or 15 Majors (depending on the toss-up match in 2001 US Finals between Hewitt). The players whose destiny would have been altered would be Agassi who will win less Majors & a lower Head-Head against the "Altered" Sampras. Rafter will have a better Head-Head against the "Altered" Sampras & Rafter would have won Wimbledon 2000 & more Majors.
 

mucat

Hall of Fame
1990 U.S Open vs Agassi

Are you nuts?? Federer was only 9yrs old at that time!! He would get bagel and cry like a little boy. :mad:

...Or ask Agassi for a autograph and be happy like a little girl. ;)
 

ctbmar

Semi-Pro
If Sampras comes to the future and replaces Federer...

If Sampras comes to the future and swap places with Federer, meaning a young Sampras started out in 1998 and currently still playing on the tour...
Also taking into account those Majors that Sampras won 10 years prior and that his form will also peak during the present day replacement of Federer...

2000 USA Open vs Ferrero, followed by Safin, followed by Kiefer, followed by Martin, followed by Hewitt...Federer lost to Ferrero in the round of 32. So if Sampras were to replace Federer and played well in the alternate world 10 years later from 1990 in USA open 2000, a young Sampras had to beat a young Ferrero, followed by young dominating Safin, followed by young Kiefer, followed by aged Martin, followed by young dominating Hewitt. In 1990 US open, Sampras beat aging Hlasek in 3 sets, beat Muster in 4 sets, an aging Lendl in 5 sets, an aging McEnroe in 4 sets and a young Agassi in 3 sets.
Even if Sampras managed to get by all the young guns in USA open 2000, he will be too tired to face a dominating spirited Hewitt who is at his prime. A more talented Sampras at age 19 than Federer will go further into the draw for US open 2000. Either he will lose to Safin in round 32 or he will lose to Hewitt in the finals, but Sampras won't win it as compared to Federer who lost early in round 16.

2002 US Open vs Miryni, followed by an aged Agassi, followed by young Hewitt, followed by young Roddick. In 1992 US Open, Sampras beat Forget in 5 sets, Volkov in 3 sets, beat a young Courier in 4 sets and lost to a prime Edberg in 4 sets. Federer lost to Miryni in 3 sets in 2002 US Open R16. Sampras would have gotten past Miryni and aged Agassi, but he has to beat a young new blazing Roddick and dominating no. 1 Hewitt. Roddick would have been a better competitor against Sampras than Roddick is to Federer.
Hewitt and Roddick are both young and dominating force to be reckon with, but Sampras is also young and full of energy at the net, but he will be hungry to get his 1st Majors. After reviewing that Hewitt lost to an aged Agassi and an aged Sampras beat Roddick in 2002 US open quarters, a young Sampras would have claimed his 1st Major in 2002 US Open.

2003 Wimbledon vs Philippoussis...Sampras would have won in 3 sets with the same score line as Federer against his 5 years older opponent. Federer won this match in 3 sets.

2004 Aus Open vs Safin...A young Sampras would have won this match against a tired Safin. With all his serve and volley game clicking at his prime, Sampras should take this match. Sampras serve and volley game will be a good target practise for Marat, but Marat was coming from an injury and was tired after playing tough semi-final & quarter-final matches. So Sampras will win this match in 3 or 4 sets. Federer won this match in 3 sets.

2004 Wimbledon vs Roddick...A young Sampras needs to defeat Roddick who is trying to usurpt his throne. A slug fest of serving warfare, both sides blasting serves and ending it with quick points. Sampras would put away balls and Roddick will serve aces, blast his forehand winners or errors. Roddick will fair against Sampras as compared to Federer because Roddick will simply blast his serves and Sampras have less chance of breaking Roddick's serve as compared to Federer. Since Sampras is not as good a returner as Federer, this match will go to either 3 tie breakers sets, 7-6, 7-6, 7-6 or the match will go to 4 or 5 sets with a few tie-breakers involved in either Roddick or Sampras' favour. So either Roddick or Sampras could win this match.

2004 US Open vs Hewitt...This match will be a toss-up because Hewitt will still be playing well if not for the dominating force and destruction by Federer.
Hewitt was on a 16 match winning streak and won the US hard court series.
So instead of the dominating performance given by Federer, Sampras may lose to Hewitt in a tight 4 or 5 sets match or Sampras may win Hewitt in a tight 4 or 5 sets match.

2005 Aus Open vs Marat, followed by Hewitt..This match will also be a toss up. Sampras will be also taken to 5 sets by an in form Marat and the stroke play of Marat & Federer were extraordinary on that day. But if Sampras brings his A game and ready to do battle, he has equal chance of winning against Marat, so this semifinal match will also go the distance. If Sampras beats Marat, he will face Hewitt in the finals...So again this match up against Hewitt will be a toss up. Sampras may lose to Hewitt in a tight 4 or 5 sets match or Sampras may win Hewitt in a tight 4 or 5 sets match.

2005 Wimbledon vs Roddick...This match will depend on whether Roddick beat Sampras in 2004, how is their Head-Head record...I dont think it will be 10-1 like what Federer is doing to Roddick. I believe it will be an even Head-Head on all surface with Sampras winning slightly more on grass. This match could be like an Edberg vs Becker match when they faced each other 3 times in a row. Maybe Federer will face Roddick 3 times in a row this coming Wimbledon 2006. So this match will also be a toss up. Sampras may lose to Roddick in a tight 4 or 5 sets match or Sampras may win Roddick in a tight 4 or 5 sets match.

2005 US open vs Agassi...A younger Sampras of 10 years will beat an aged Agassi. Sampras will win this in 3 sets or at most 4 sets. Federer beat Agassi in 4 tough sets.

2006 Aus Open vs Baghdatis...This match will also be a toss up because I cannot tell whether Baghdatis is good at passing players at the net since there are not many good net rushers in today's game. With today's modern game and rackets technology, Baghdatis may win this match in a close 4 sets or Sampras will win in 4 sets. Baghadatis serve is no pushover as he was hitting his serves consistently between 208 km/h to 216 km/h whereas Federer was serving around 200 km/h to 203 km/h. I suspect Baghdatis' serve speed is around Sampras' speed. Sampras does not have as good a return game as Federer. Sampras was also on a slight decline in 1996, losing his Wimbledon crown to Krajicek. Baghdatis might have won his 1st Major in Aus Open 2006. So this match in 2006 between Sampras and Baghdatis will also be 50-50%.

So if Sampras comes to the future and replaces Federer, a modern day Sampras will win his 1st Major earlier than Federer in 2002 US Open. Sampras have the possibilities to attain between 4 to 9 Majors in today's context as compared to Federer's tally of 7 Majors. But most probably Sampras would lose one of the 2 Finals with Roddick and one of the two Finals with Hewitt. The players whose lives will be altered if Sampras replaces Federer are Hewitt and Roddick who may each win 1 or 2 more Majors as compared to their current total. Sampras (4 to 5 Majors) , Hewitt (3 to 4 Majors), Roddick (2 to 3 Majors), Safin (2 to 3 Majors) would have a pretty similar number of Majors titles, somewhat similar to Agassi who had 3 Majors after Australian Open 1995.
 

GuyForget

Semi-Pro
Dedans,

Andre Agassi would have beaten him at Wimbledon 1999. Andre would have won that title if not for that guy named Pete Sampras.

But it's obvious you're jesting and this thread is all speculation anyway :)
agree, that's the only one I think he may not have won, Agassi said he was seeing the ball like melon in that match, despite getting car waxed in the score
 

ChrisRF

Legend
IMO the only one he would have definitely lost is the 1990 US Open final at the same age. It would be like 2000 for Federer. 1999 Wimbledon is also a bit questionable if we go with the 10 years later form again. The Federer of the 2009 final may lose to that Agassi.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
IMO the only one he would have definitely lost is the 1990 US Open final at the same age. It would be like 2000 for Federer. 1999 Wimbledon is also a bit questionable if we go with the 10 years later form again. The Federer of the 2009 final may lose to that Agassi.

no chance Fed of Wim 09 final loses to Agassi of Wim 99 final.
Agassi served at 44% in the Wim 99 final.
You way under-rate Fed of Wim 09 final or Wim 09 final in general. Fed was no worse than in Wim 08 final.

In Wim 09 final, Federer served great, played well off the ground, was good at the net. returning was meh, but it was even worse in Wim 08 final.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
IMO the only one he would have definitely lost is the 1990 US Open final at the same age. It would be like 2000 for Federer. 1999 Wimbledon is also a bit questionable if we go with the 10 years later form again. The Federer of the 2009 final may lose to that Agassi.
Fed doesn't lose a Wimb F to an Agassi who served terribly.
 

ChrisRF

Legend
Fed doesn't lose a Wimb F to an Agassi who served terribly.
Yes, I tend to agree. I just said he MAY lose, while all the other finals apart from 1990 US Open he would definitely win. But all in all I think the 1999 Wimbledon narrative that Agassi was great and Sampras still greater is a bit exagerrated. Sampras beat Agassi on old grass by one break per set. Not something too extraordinary, and peak Federer would be the clear favourite against both anyway.
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
wouldn't win 90/93/02 USO and 00 Wimby just due to form in those tournaments. But obviously picks up several slams that Pete lost.
 

CHillTennis

Hall of Fame
Yes, I tend to agree. I just said he MAY lose, while all the other finals apart from 1990 US Open he would definitely win. But all in all I think the 1999 Wimbledon narrative that Agassi was great and Sampras still greater is a bit exagerrated. Sampras beat Agassi on old grass by one break per set. Not something too extraordinary, and peak Federer would be the clear favourite against both anyway.

Peak Roger would not be the favorite against 1999 Sampras on grass. No way.
 
no chance Fed of Wim 09 final loses to Agassi of Wim 99 final.
Agassi served at 44% in the Wim 99 final.
You way under-rate Fed of Wim 09 final or Wim 09 final in general. Fed was no worse than in Wim 08 final.

In Wim 09 final, Federer served great, played well off the ground, was good at the net. returning was meh, but it was even worse in Wim 08 final.

I do think Agassi's poor serving in the final was largely how on fire Sampras was right from the start, and the pressure that put on Agassi. That said agreed almost no way is Federer is losing the Wimbledon final translated to 99 Agassi.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I do think Agassi's poor serving in the final was largely how on fire Sampras was right from the start, and the pressure that put on Agassi. That said agreed almost no way is Federer is losing the Wimbledon final translated to 99 Agassi.

1. Agassi got in 11/23 (47.8%) first serves till 3 all in the 1st set.
Sampras changed gears only after that. after going down 0-40 in the 1st set at 3 all.

2. Serve is the thing most in control of the player. Agassi was returning well, playing well off the ground and passing well - things lesser under his control. with the pressure from Sampras. So doesn't really add up.

3. Even if one were to accept its due to Sampras, that's still a big dip from Agassi's usual serve% of around 60 for that year. small dip is understandable/acceptable due to that. big dip is not.
 

Biotic

Hall of Fame
3 - 5.

He'd maybe win those few vs Pioline, Moya and Martin, but the question is if he even gets there in the first place. Cuz let's be real, even PETE was struggling there on the road to the finals, so how is poor Fraud gonna do it. No way no how.
 
1. Agassi got in 11/23 (47.8%) first serves till 3 all in the 1st set.
Sampras changed gears only after that. after going down 0-40 in the 1st set at 3 all.

2. Serve is the thing most in control of the player. Agassi was returning well, playing well off the ground and passing well - things lesser under his control. with the pressure from Sampras. So doesn't really add up.

3. Even if one were to accept its due to Sampras, that's still a big dip from Agassi's usual serve% of around 60 for that year. small dip is understandable/acceptable due to that. big dip is not.

Hmm good points actually. On the returning part he didn't break Sampras that day right, and had barely any break points? Although that might be just how unbelievably Sampras was serving. Been awhile since I watched that match, just that I remember Sampras playing unbelieveably great even for him, leaving Agassi almost no chance.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Hmm good points actually. On the returning part he didn't break Sampras that day right, and had barely any break points? Although that might be just how unbelievably Sampras was serving. Been awhile since I watched that match, just that I remember Sampras playing unbelieveably great even for him, leaving Agassi almost no chance.

Sampras faced 4 BPs, 1 BP in 3rd game and 0-40 in the 3 all game in the 1st set.
Anyone watching the match would see Agassi returned well that day. But Sampras was not only serving, but backing his serve up really well.
Sampras' only chink that day was returning. good, but not great. could've been exploited by someone like a Krajicek or Goran or Scud.
 
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Can't be bothered to breakdown but he is outright better than Sampras at 2 slams and more or less even in two others. So I don't think Fed would do worse looking it like that but the conditions even though sometimes overstated were a bit different at times.
 

Thetouch

Professional
What about the finals Sampras lost?^^

I give Roger 5 Slams considering we are talking about modern Roger playing in the 90s. If it's an adapted 90s Roger version he might win most of them. Keep in mind though that Sampras won matches when he was cramping, puking and even crying. So it also comes down to will and mindset. Sampras last 2 titles of his career were Wimbledon & US Open over a span of 2 years, that says a lot about him.
 
If we do a transplant 10 year difference between Pete and Roger

1990 U.S Open vs Agassi- Agassi wins easy. Fed wasn't anything in 2000 like Pete was in '90
1993 Wimbledon final vs Courier- 2003 Fed wins but I don't think he gets through the draw of 93 to play Courier. It was too tough IMO. He would lose to 93 Agassi.
1993 U.S Open final vs Pioline- 03 Fed definitely
1994 Australian Open final vs Martin- 04 Fed easy
1994 Wimbledon final vs Ivanisevic- Nope. 94 Goran is better than 04 Roddick on grass. Fed loses here
1995 Wimbledon final vs Becker- Nope. 95 Becker is way better than 05 Roddick on grass. 95 Becker beats 05 Fed
1995 U.S Open final vs Agassi- No way!!! Peaked out Agassi here. Fed could hardly handle 2004-2005 Agassi with a bad back alot of the match
1996 U.S Open final vs Chang- 06 Fed wins easy
1997 Australian Open final vs Moya- Easy win for Fed
1997 Wimbledon final vs Pioline- Easy Win for Fed
1998 Wimbledon final vs Ivanisevic- Its close. My money would be on 98 Goran though if it was fast grass playing 08 Fed. I mean Goran should have beaten Pete there. So I think he beats 08 Fed
1999 Wimbledon final vs Agassi- Close but Agassi.. Peaking out and way better than 09 Roddick. Roddick play well in 09 but it wasn't his peak level. 03-05 was. And Fed didn't really play all the amazing in the final much like Agassi didn't. Thats why its kind of a coin flip but still, 99 Agassi is better than 09 Roddick LOL

2000 Wimbledon final vs Rafter- Rafter definitely Did Fed even do anything at 2010 Wimbledon? If he lost to Berdych, he aint beating Rafter.
2002 U.S Open final vs Agassi. 2002 Agassi beats 2012 Fed.


10 year difference, Fed probably wins half of them or a little more than half I guess
 
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If we do a transplant 10 year difference between Pete and Roger

1990 U.S Open vs Agassi- Agassi wins easy. Fed wasn't anything in 2000 like Pete was in '90
1993 Wimbledon final vs Courier- 2003 Fed wins but I don't think he gets through the draw of 93 to play Courier. It was too tough IMO. He would lose to 93 Agassi.
1993 U.S Open final vs Pioline- 03 Fed definitely
1994 Australian Open final vs Martin- 04 Fed easy
1994 Wimbledon final vs Ivanisevic- Nope. 94 Goran is better than 04 Roddick on grass. Fed loses here
1995 Wimbledon final vs Becker- Nope. 95 Becker is way better than 05 Roddick on grass. 95 Becker beats 05 Fed
1995 U.S Open final vs Agassi- No way!!! Peaked out Agassi here. Fed could hardly handle 2004-2005 Agassi with a bad back alot of the match
1996 U.S Open final vs Chang- 06 Fed wins easy
1997 Australian Open final vs Moya- Easy win for Fed
1997 Wimbledon final vs Pioline- Easy Win for Fed
1998 Wimbledon final vs Ivanisevic- Its close. My money would be on 98 Goran though if it was fast grass playing 08 Fed. I mean Goran should have beaten Pete there. So I think he beats 08 Fed
1999 Wimbledon final vs Agassi- Close but Agassi.. Peaking out and way better than 09 Roddick. Roddick play well in 09 but it wasn't his peak level. 03-05 was. And Fed didn't really play all the amazing in the final much like Agassi didn't. Thats why its kind of a coin flip but still, 99 Agassi is better than 09 Roddick LOL

2000 Wimbledon final vs Rafter- Rafter definitely Did Fed even do anything at 2010 Wimbledon? If he lost to Berdych, he aint beating Rafter.
2002 U.S Open final vs Agassi. 2002 Agassi beats 2012 Fed.


10 year difference, Fed probably wins half of them or a little more than half I guess

93 Wimbledon Agassi was badly out of shape. I very much doubt 93 Agassi beats 2003 Federer at Wimbledon, particularly how well he played in the semis or finals. I know he took Sampras to 5 sets, but I am kind of stunned he managed to take Sampras to 5 when he had a wrist injury and was so out of shape Bolleteiri dumped him right after the event. If I recall Sampras had a lapse in the middle of that match to let Agassi back in, even though he also played a couple strong sets with some great returns.

Agassi was subpar in the 95 US Open final and played one of his weakest matches of the summer. Was also fatigued from the semis. Think Federer wins, Agassi probably even played better in the 2005 final despite his age than he did in the actual 95 US Open final to be honest.

Becker in the 95 Wimbledon final was double faulting and not that good at all. And had a pretty big letdown after his semi final comeback vs Agassi. It is crazy you think he would beat peak Federer that day. In fact post prime Becker would be really unlikely to ever beat peak Federer, even on a great day. Or Agassi beating fully prime Federer often or ever on grass, again even on a really good day.

Not even a huge Federer fan, but you have some clear bias here I am thinking.

BTW Ivanisevic was basically Roddick but with a much weaker forehand and better (but not great) volleys, so if Federer owned Roddick, I doubt he would lose to Ivanisevic.
 
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THe issue here with 99 Wimbledon Final Agassi and 09 Wimbledon Fed is, 99 Wimbledon Final Pete was zoned in and made Agassi look pedestrian. That form of Pete would make anyone in history look Pedestrian. I mean that was 07-10 Rafa clay type stuff there. . And Again... If 04-05 Fed is struggling against 34-35 year old Agassi at the US Open , I just can't see how he handles 1995 , 25 year old Agassi who was on a complete tear on Hardcourts that year. No way no how. 95 Agassi>>>>>>05 Agassi any day of the week and twice on Sunday,.. And Peak 05 Fed was dropping freaking sets to that 05 Agassi who had a screwed up back and had played what like 2-3 straight 5 setters or something crazy?.
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
Just for fun how many of the 14 slam finals Sampras won do you think Federer also would have won vs the same opponents Sampras beat to win those finals. These are the 14:

1990 U.S Open vs Agassi
1993 Wimbledon final vs Courier
1993 U.S Open final vs Pioline
1994 Australian Open final vs Martin
1994 Wimbledon final vs Ivanisevic
1995 Wimbledon final vs Becker
1995 U.S Open final vs Agassi
1996 U.S Open final vs Chang
1997 Australian Open final vs Moya
1997 Wimbledon final vs Pioline
1998 Wimbledon final vs Ivanisevic
1999 Wimbledon final vs Agassi
2000 Wimbledon final vs Rafter
2002 U.S Open final vs Agassi
Fed doesn’t win as many of the earlier ones because he didn’t hit his stride until later but he takes many more opportunities once he does get going and later in his career of course.
 

NedStark

Professional
Some notes:
- Grass in the 1990s was much faster than in 2001. Stuffs like Tsonga 2011, Berdych 2010, Starkhovsky 2013, Raonic 2016 and Anderson 2018 would have been way more likely to happen.
- Federer did not do any damage at USO until USO courts were slowed down (court speed: USO 1997-2001 > USO 1978-1996 > USO 2003 onwards).
- Federer has never been a serve-and-volleyer at any point of his career. Watch his hardcourt matches in 1998-2003 and you'll see.
- Old racquet and string tech favoured serve over return.
- His FH technique, which inherited traits from both Agassi and Sampras FHs, did not exist.
- Probably Federer would have been shorter if he was born in 1971. A 6ft0 guy is not going to win multiple Wimbledons in the 1990s.
 
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