How many of these slams does hypothetical Djokovic win?

How many does he win?

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TheNachoMan

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Let’s not bring up covid/vaccine debates here and just focus on the tennis and his potential performance. How would he do if he played these slams?

Wimbledon 2020 (cancelled: 2 time defending champion, would be a heavy favorite. upsets are always possible though)
USO 2020 (disqualified: Not a gimme by any means to me, he was down a set to PCB and had Thiem/Med maybe waiting for him. Possible, but not a lock)
AO 2022 (deported: this is the only one I’d say that is surely a lock. 3 time defending champion and won the following year)
USO 2022: (barred from playing: A potential juicy matchup with Alcaraz here. Maybe Carlos beats him early and RG cramps never happen? Or maybe Novak beats the inexperienced 19 year old. It’s a tossup for me)

I am gonna say 2/4. You can never say I’m an irrational fanboy. Vamos.
 
TheNachoMan

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Razer said:
I would say that you need to become a fan instead of curbing your natural instincts and trying to look balanced just to impress certain posters from other fanbases. :laughing:
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Novak’s spotty record at USO is only reason I don’t say higher than 2. But I think 2 is very fair and agreeable.
 
Razer

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TheNachoMan said:
Novak’s spotty record at USO is only reason I don’t say higher than 2. But I think 2 is very fair and agreeable.
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Only Wimbly and AO are lock for Novak, the other 2 USOs do raise doubt but there is a possibility he would have won all 4 of them.

So who knows.... we can give him all 4 wins, he would not have lost to Thiem in 20 or to Alcaraz in 22.
 
TheNachoMan

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Razer said:
Only Wimbly and AO are lock for Novak, the other 2 USOs do raise doubt but there is a possibility he would have won all 4 of them.

So who knows.... we can give him all 4 wins, he would not have lost to Thiem in 20 or to Alcaraz in 22.
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2020 Thiem is so walkover.
 
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Well.WB 20 is absolute locked.i would say his best other chance would ve be in US20 just don't think anyone could ve beat him best of 5.AO 22 is probably 65-35.I think he wouldn't have won US open 22 even if he participated.
 
DSH

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DIMI_D said:
3/4 if not 4/4 and absolute min 2/4
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Nah, Djokovic is overrated in NY.
Something almost always happens to the guy there and something gets out of control for him.
He doesn't feel comfortable in the Big Apple.
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roysid

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I hate hypothetical threads. If Roger didn't have a brain fade at 40-15, djokovic doesn't win W19 and also uso11.

But what's done is done. Results and reality matter
 
mavsman149

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At least 2, but probably 3. I have the 2020 Wimbledon and 2022 Australian as near locks. Weird things happen at the USO for him but I also firmly believe he would’ve won the 2020 without the default, he was playing very well that year and had just won Cincinnati that was actually played on the US Open Courts in New York, the only other time he won Cincy was 2018 when he he did go on to win the USO as well. I’ll leave Carlos’s 2022 USO alone though
 
TheNachoMan

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mavsman149 said:
At least 2, but probably 3. I have the 2020 Wimbledon and 2022 Australian as near locks. Weird things happen at the USO for him but I also firmly believe he would’ve won the 2020 without the default, he was playing very well that year and had just won Cincinnati that was actually played on the US Open Courts in New York, the only other time he won Cincy was 2018 when he he did go on to win the USO as well. I’ll leave Carlos’s 2022 USO alone though
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Thiem deserved a slam anyway. The Karen incident was necessary.
 
Rafa4LifeEver

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TheNachoMan said:
Let’s not bring up covid/vaccine debates here and just focus on the tennis and his potential performance. How would he do if he played these slams?

Wimbledon 2020 (cancelled: 2 time defending champion, would be a heavy favorite. upsets are always possible though)
USO 2020 (disqualified: Not a gimme by any means to me, he was down a set to PCB and had Thiem/Med maybe waiting for him. Possible, but not a lock)
AO 2022 (deported: this is the only one I’d say that is surely a lock. 3 time defending champion and won the following year)
USO 2022: (barred from playing: A potential juicy matchup with Alcaraz here. Maybe Carlos beats him early and RG cramps never happen? Or maybe Novak beats the inexperienced 19 year old. It’s a tossup for me)

I am gonna say 2/4. You can never say I’m an irrational fanboy. Vamos.
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Rafa4LifeEver

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TheNachoMan said:
Let’s not bring up covid/vaccine debates here and just focus on the tennis and his potential performance. How would he do if he played these slams?

Wimbledon 2020 (cancelled: 2 time defending champion, would be a heavy favorite. upsets are always possible though)
USO 2020 (disqualified: Not a gimme by any means to me, he was down a set to PCB and had Thiem/Med maybe waiting for him. Possible, but not a lock)
AO 2022 (deported: this is the only one I’d say that is surely a lock. 3 time defending champion and won the following year)
USO 2022: (barred from playing: A potential juicy matchup with Alcaraz here. Maybe Carlos beats him early and RG cramps never happen? Or maybe Novak beats the inexperienced 19 year old. It’s a tossup for me)

I am gonna say 2/4. You can never say I’m an irrational fanboy. Vamos.
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He'd be a lock for Wimbledon 2020 only.
I don't see him winning the other 3.
 
Biotic

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2020 W and 2022 AO about 100%, as there would be no stopping him, not by Shapo, not by Med and especially not by lieutenant Vulture.

Most likely one out of 2020 and 2022 USO.
 
junior74

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How can he hypothetically win a slam he was disqualified from?

Apart from that, I believe hypothetical Djokovic is better than hypothetical Federer. He strips him from everything.
 
aman92

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Only Wimbledon 2020 is a lock...AO 2022 I would say Medveded could speak danger for him considering the form he was in and the fact he has straight settled him at USO 2021
Don't think his form was good enough to win USO 2020 and 2022
 
abmk

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USO 2020 shouldn't even be in discussion since he actually played and was disqualified.
Don't talk about bad luck.
Djokovic barely escaped being DQed in RG 16 with a similar incident.
 
BauerAlmeida

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AO 2022 is a lock.
USO 2022 is not by any means, he was the favorite but there were a few players that could potentially beat him.

Wimbledon 2020 was a very good opportunity, Federer who had two MPs the previous year was injured and there weren't many players around who could beat him.
USO 2020 was also a very good opportunity, seeing the ****fest that final was it's impossible to see Djokovic losing that game and he very likely reaches it.

So, in order from most likely to least likely it would be probably something like this:

1- AO 2022
2- Wimbledon 2020
3- USO 2020
4- USO 2022

2 and 3 maybe interchangeable.

I think being conservative he wins 2 of those. But it wouldn't be crazy to suggest he takes 3 seeing his results at slams and win % since Wimbledon 2018. Taking 4 though, I don't see it. Individually you can look at any of them and go yeah, he takes it. But all of them happening is a different story.
 
jl809

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USO 2020 is not a hypothetical. It’s not like the other ones at all. He played the tournament. The fact that he got knocked out because he made a moronic decision on court is his problem.

As for the other 3, I think he wins Wimb 20 if it’s held, AO 22 (even though I’ve said before that people totally forget how insane the level of hostility towards him was at that point, he would have faced 1000x worse crowds than the USO 15 F from basically the 1st round onwards) and USO 22 for sure.

USO 22 in particular I think was a lock, I can’t see who would knock him out at all whereas it’s not totally unforeseeable that Nadal beats him at Wim if they both play in 2020 or Meddy beats him at the AO (not saying those things would happen, just that they’re more likely than… Ruud… Tiafoe… Sinner… etc)
 
abmk

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jl809 said:
USO 22 in particular I think was a lock, I can’t see who would knock him out at all
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not at all a lock at USO 22. and the name is Alcaraz.
Djokovic hasn't won USO after 2018.
Far more likely Alcaraz beats him in USO 22 than Crumblevedev in AO 22.
 
jl809

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abmk said:
not at all. and the name is Alcaraz.
Djokovic hasn't won USO after 2018.
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Alcaraz was not on the level that he was at this year's Wimbledon or RG pre cramp at the USO last year. Had a match with Sinner that was great but he wouldn't have faced Djoker in the QFs anyway, it would have been SFs or F, where he was barely beating Tiafoe or Ruud (had to save essentially MPs vs Ruud in set 3). I don't think Djoker would have been as good as he is at other slams at USO 22, but he would 1000% have been better than those players (and washed Cilic)
 
abmk

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jl809 said:
Alcaraz was not on the level that he was at this year's Wimbledon or RG pre cramp at the USO last year. Had a match with Sinner that was great but he wouldn't have faced Djoker in the QFs anyway, it would have been SFs or F, where he was barely beating Tiafoe or Ruud (had to save essentially MPs vs Ruud in set 3). I don't think Djoker would have been as good as he is at other slams at USO 22, but he would 1000% have been better than those players (and washed Cilic)
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nah, Alcaraz was beating Tiafoe convincingly in the 3 sets he won. 3, 1 and 3. The 2 sets he lost were TBs. and he could've won it in 4 if he was really focussed. which he'd be vs Djokovic.
As far as Ruud final is concerned, it was thanks to the previous 3 matches. If Djokovic is in the draw, the whole draw changes.
No guarantee Djokovic even plays at Sinner level in USO 22 anyways.

and Alcaraz has the head to hold it together and raise level when required, more than Med...don't see how you can call Crumblevedev of AO 22 who choked so hard vs mediocre Nadal as having a chance while Alcaraz doesn't. That too with Djokovic being so much better at AO than USO.

Djokovic lost it mentally vs PCB after a break hitting the lineswomen in USO 20.
Couldn't hold it together vs Med in USO 21 putting in his worst slam final performance.
how is he a lock vs Alcaraz who actually displayed championship winning form and won USO 22?
 
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jl809

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nah, Alcaraz was beating Tiafoe just fine in the 3 sets he won. The 2 sets he lost were TBs. and he could've won it in 4 if he was really focussed. which he'd be vs Djokovic.
As far as Ruud final is concerned, it was thanks to the previous 3 matches. If Djokovic is in the draw, the whole draw changes.
No guarantee Djokovic even plays at Sinner level in USO 22 anyways.

and he has the head to hold it together...don't see how you can call Crumblevedev of AO 22 who choked so hard vs mediocre Nadal as having a chance while Alcaraz doesn't.
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It doesn't really matter how he lost those sets. It's still unconvincing. Tiafoe served at 47% for the match with multiple sets at 40% or below (including one he won). Had a SP before the set 1 TB. Had BPs in the same number of games as Raz in set 2, none of which he took. Partly lost the 5th because he went on a UE bender, not because of GOATing on the other side of the net.

Besides Djokovic loves winning TBs too - I know he just choked the ONE this year (against a better playing Carlos), but that doesn't change the overall picture for the last 2 years (unless we're saying Tiafoe > Djoker at TBs).

Carlos may have been more focused vs Djoker... but it's also likely that he does exactly what he did at RG and Wimbledon this year, which is donate 1 set already purely by being overexcited / nervous at the thought of playing Djokovic at a slam. At best that cancels out. And that's AFTER Alcaraz has already won his 1st slam, which should have made him more confident and chilled out...

I agree that Djoker probably doesn't play at Sinner level, but he wouldn't need to. The Sinner match is the anomaly in the tournament for Alcaraz, not the other way around. Unconvincing 1st round, then made a washed Chilli look like it was 2014 again, then has 2 patchy final round matches including an absolutely desperate inflation era final

And yes, Medvedev who would have had the entire crowd's overwhelming support, rather than their non-stop hatred as happened IRL vs Rafa (which is what in part caused his meltdown), and who for some reason unknown to me seems to match up better vs Djokovic than he does vs Nadal when both Djokodal are playing well, and who unlike in AO 21 would have had the confidence of just having beaten Djoker at a slam to fall back on, would have a chance vs Djokovic at AO 2022. I'm not saying it's a big one at all though.
 
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abmk

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jl809 said:
It doesn't really matter how he lost those sets. It's still unconvincing. Tiafoe served at 47% for the match with multiple sets at 40% or below (including one he won). Had a SP before the set 1 TB. Had BPs in the same number of games as Raz in set 2, none of which he took. Partly lost the 5th because he went on a UE bender, not because of GOATing on the other side of the net.

Besides Djokovic loves winning TBs too - I know he just choked the ONE this year (against a better playing Carlos), but that doesn't change the overall picture for the last 2 years (unless we're saying Tiafoe > Djoker at TBs).

Carlos may have been more focused vs Djoker... but it's also likely that he does exactly what he did at RG and Wimbledon this year, which is donate 1 set already purely by being overexcited / nervous at the thought of playing Djokovic at a slam. At best that cancels out.

I agree that Djoker probably doesn't play at Sinner level, but he wouldn't need to. The Sinner match is the anomaly in the tournament for Alcaraz, not the other way around. Unconvincing 1st round, then made a washed Chilli look like it was 2014 again, then has 2 patchy final round matches including an absolutely desperate inflation era final
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nah, Alcaraz raised his level when he needed to at the USO. The anamoly was his TB performance before final (0-6), not the Sinner match per se. But he got the TB vs Ruud in the final when he really need to.
Tiafoe's serve % wasn't that good at USO 22 anyways. Even the match he won vs nadal, he was at 48.3% first serves in. But when he got them in, he made them count.

In the 2nd set, Alcaraz was up a break and had 2 SPs to win it by a double break. 38.5% RPW to 29.4% RPW for Tiafoe.
Frances Tiafoe1‑02‑515‑301st serve down the T; forehand return down the middle (deep); forehand approach shot inside-out; backhand crosscourt, winner. (4-shot rally)
Frances Tiafoe1‑02‑515‑401st serve wide; forehand return down the middle, forced error.

Clearly a convincing enough set that he won.

Alcaraz was up 3-1 in the 4th set. and if he was a little more focussed, would've taken it in 4 sets.

Alcaraz did make Cilic look better than he was, but hardly anything like 2014 level. again, Alcaraz was up 2-1 in sets vs Cilic - who actually played some decent ball.

jl809 said:
And yes, Medvedev who would have had the entire crowd's overwhelming support, rather than their non-stop hatred as happened IRL vs Rafa (which is what in part caused his meltdown), and who for some reason unknown to me seems to match up better vs Djokovic than he does vs Nadal when both Djokodal are playing well, would have a chance vs Djokovic at AO 2022. I'm not saying it's a big one at all though.
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Med does match up worse vs nadal than djokovic. but nadal played mediocre in AO 22 final and he still lost.
Med also had to save MP vs FAA in QF. (4th set)

Nadal played a mediocre final vs Med , should have lost.
should've lost vs Shapo in the QF if shapo had held his head in the 5th set with nadal not physically 100%.

Alcaraz of USO 22 > Med of AO 22 and Nadal of AO 22 by some distance.
 
jl809

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abmk said:
nah, Alcaraz raised his level when he needed to at the USO. The anamoly was his TB performance before final (0-6), not the Sinner match per se. But he got the TB vs Ruud in the final when he really need to.
Tiafoe's serve % wasn't that good at USO 22 anyways. Even the match he won vs nadal, he was at 48.3% first serves in. But when he got them in, he made them count.

In the 2nd set, Alcaraz was up a break and had 2 SPs to win it by a double break. 38.5% RPW to 29.4% RPW for Tiafoe.
Frances Tiafoe1‑02‑515‑301st serve down the T; forehand return down the middle (deep); forehand approach shot inside-out; backhand crosscourt, winner. (4-shot rally)
Frances Tiafoe1‑02‑515‑401st serve wide; forehand return down the middle, forced error.

Clearly a convincing enough set that he won.

Alcaraz was up 3-1 in the 4th set. and if he was a little more focussed, would've taken it in 4 sets.

Alcaraz did make Cilic look better than he was, but hardly anything like 2014 level. again, Alcaraz was up 2-1 in sets vs Cilic - who actually played some decent ball.



Med does match up worse vs nadal than djokovic. but nadal played mediocre in AO 22 final and he still lost.
Med also had to save MP vs FAA in QF. (4th set)

Nadal played a mediocre final vs Med , should have lost.
should've lost vs Shapo in the QF if shapo had held his head in the 5th set with nadal not physically 100%.

Alcaraz of USO 22 > Med of AO 22 and Nadal of AO 22 by some distance.
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Think there's a lot of agree to disagree here then (apart from the Cilic 2014 thing which I will hold my hand up and say was dramatic license). Alc was playing better at IW, Miami 22 than he was for large parts of USO 22 and still nearly got beaten by a Djokovic regen at Miami and lost to Nadal who was playing some pretty mediocre stuff himself that week at IW. No reason to assume 2022 Alcaraz would beat Nadal of AO 22. Even if he does, that's not who we're discussing - the whole point of this thread is Djokovic, whom we can both assume wouldn't play worse at the USO than Nadal did at the AO. Different matchups across the 4 players too
 
Hitman

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TheNachoMan said:
Let’s not bring up covid/vaccine debates here and just focus on the tennis and his potential performance. How would he do if he played these slams?

Wimbledon 2020 (cancelled: 2 time defending champion, would be a heavy favorite. upsets are always possible though)
USO 2020 (disqualified: Not a gimme by any means to me, he was down a set to PCB and had Thiem/Med maybe waiting for him. Possible, but not a lock)
AO 2022 (deported: this is the only one I’d say that is surely a lock. 3 time defending champion and won the following year)
USO 2022: (barred from playing: A potential juicy matchup with Alcaraz here. Maybe Carlos beats him early and RG cramps never happen? Or maybe Novak beats the inexperienced 19 year old. It’s a tossup for me)

I am gonna say 2/4. You can never say I’m an irrational fanboy. Vamos.
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He wins W 2020 and AO 2022 for sure in this situation, barring injuries of course.

He wins one of the two USO titles.

So three titles....slam count would be about 25 or 26 for him right now.
 
TheNachoMan

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abmk said:
not at all a lock at USO 22. and the name is Alcaraz.
Djokovic hasn't won USO after 2018.
Far more likely Alcaraz beats him in USO 22 than Crumblevedev in AO 22.
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Carlos was younger and less experienced last year. He got taken to 5 sets by Cilic, Sinner and Tiafoe too.
 
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