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Hypothetical of course.....
just curious as to how you think this match would look if it ever went down?
just curious as to how you think this match would look if it ever went down?
Perhaps you didn't see the 12 year old Nationally ranked girl vs USTA 4.0 level men's player. It didn't end well for the Club player...
Is there a vid of that??
I'm a 41 year old 5.0 and have basically been a 5.0 since I was 18 ( except for the year I self rated at 4.5 and sandbagged), and I feel any female pro that has the skill to make the top 100 can beat any male 5.0. Now some 5.0's are actually 5.5 or 6.0 ballers that just happen to have a 5.0 at the moment
If the player is a legit 5.0 male Errani would win like 62 64
and that means Serena would utterly slaughter any male 5.0
I think Errani could play #5 singles for UVA and Serena could play 1-3 singles for UVA
Just my opinion
I pretty much agree with you (for the most part) with every up until what is in bold. No way either of them could play for UVA, unless you are referring to the University of Vermont.
I'm a middle of the road male 4.5.
I occasionally play male 5.0s; typical result is loss along the lines of 2 & 4.
I've also had the chance to play a couple of the girls on the team of a local D1 school. Typical result is a 1 & 1 buttkicking. I guess they would be rated 6.0?
Anyway, point is, from my limited personal experience, current D1 girl > typical 5.0 male league player.
Given that an Errani would kill your typical D1 girl, transitive property would indicate that Errani would murder a 5.0 league player.
I think the last thread was all we needed here. A pro female player is not going to lose to any "league" player. It's going to have to be someone along the lines of a 5.5-6.0 tournament/open male player to at least make it interesting.
Ha, good one....
Sara is a top 10 WTA player, not a #75.
She can hang with 5.5 Div 1 men, crush any 5.0 man.
There are MANY ex top 10 WTA players who'd barely hang with a tough 4.5, the ones who quit tennis entirely.
Since women are usually .5 lower than men, Errani would have to be a 5.5 to be competitive with a 5.0 guy.
What are you guys smoking?
Since women are usually .5 lower than men, Errani would have to be a 5.5 to be competitive with a 5.0 guy.
Cindysphinx....
Sara is a top 10 7.0 woman WTA player, if you didn't know.
She would CRUSH KamikoDateKrumm in straight sets.
I'm a middle of the road male 4.5.
I occasionally play male 5.0s; typical result is loss along the lines of 2 & 4.
I've also had the chance to play a couple of the girls on the team of a local D1 school. Typical result is a 1 & 1 buttkicking. I guess they would be rated 6.0?
Anyway, point is, from my limited personal experience, current D1 girl > typical 5.0 male league player.
Given that an Errani would kill your typical D1 girl, transitive property would indicate that Errani would murder a 5.0 league player.
Always good to get some actual experience as a reality check in these goofy threads...
Agreed. Most of the top women have male hitting partners, right? If so, then 2 questions arise: who wins between them and what would the male's rating be (if he had one). My guess is no 5.0 would be able to get a job as a WTA top 10er's hitting partner.
Since women are usually .5 lower than men, Errani would have to be a 5.5 to be competitive with a 5.0 guy.
What are you guys smoking?
No way this is close to being true. Court coverage and power can often overwhelm an opponent. At levels above 4.0, the difference is probably 1.5. Sure a 4.0 woman can play a 3.5 man...but a 5.0 man could play or beat a 6.5 woman. As an analogy, a black belt who is 100 lbs isn't the same as a black belt who is 200 lbs.
NTRP is not objective.
The majority of people who play 5.0 in my areas have extensive tournament experience and or previous rankings. Because it is not for money, they want to win and therefore rank themselves lower than the real ability.
My high school buddy was a former top 10 in the USA, played on the satellite tour and didn't make it. He became a teaching pro. Ten years later he was giving lessons to college players and still beating them. That is ten years of hitting the ball 8 hours a day additional to his previous training. He's a 5.0 when he plays.
The head pro at my local club is a mid 20s man who played four years for a good Division one school and did not play ATP, so continued his career playing USTA and being a club pro to pay the bills. He is a local 5.0. In many states where I live, it is the same way, advanced players and or teaching pros are rating themselves 4.0. Last tennis mixer I played one guy was a satellite tour player, they rated him 5.0, his friend was a 20 something teaching pro, Div 2 college player, they ranked him 4.5.
There is a HUGE difference between the men's and woman's game. It's not about having nice ground strokes and looking good on the court. Most guys who play 5.0 can kick serve over your shoulder and serve 120s. Most WTA women cannot do either.
Tenniswarehouse playtesters rate themselves far higher than what I have seen in league play. They are probably more accurate in their ratings. If Errani played a 5.0 tenniswarehouse playtester she would destroy him. I've seen people play up to Granville's level (5.5) who rate themselves 4.0.
In league play I would rate myself a 4.0. Based on comparison to tenniswarehouse players I would have been 5.0, close to 5.5 in my youth.
According to the official USTA NTRP experienced players rating guideline...http://assets.usta.com/assets/646/USTA_Import/PNW/dps/doc_13_7372.pdf
Pete Sampras would be rated a 5.5. "World class player ages 41-50". As would Andre Agassi.
You mastery of English comprehension is lacking a little.
"hang with" means she can play with any 5.5 man, and make it close.
EVERY 5.5 man crushes a 5.0.
Geez, where were YOU hiding when everyone on here blasted me for saying a good 5.0 can play competitively with a #75 KimikoDateKrumm? Not a #10 Kimiko, but a #75.
EVERYONE said I was nuts. I happen to know a few "5.0's" who played singles Div1 tennis less than 6 years prior. One guy got rated "4.5" somehow to play league.
I guess everyone on here is a rigthie without a serve, stays back and hit groundies.
A decent serving lefty who comes to net, serves like Div1, can wreck havoc on any WTA woman short of Serena, Aza, and maybe Maria.
No. Just... no....but a 5.0 man could play or beat a 6.5 woman.
No, he is not a 5.0, at least not legitimately. Ironically, you yourself posted the link to the USTA NTRP experienced players rating guideline:The head pro at my local club is a mid 20s man who played four years for a good Division one school and did not play ATP, so continued his career playing USTA and being a club pro to pay the bills. He is a local 5.0.
According to which a person who played D1 at a good school and is under 30 is at least a 6.0.the official USTA NTRP experienced players rating guideline...http://assets.usta.com/assets/646/USTA_Import/PNW/dps/doc_13_7372.pdf
Um, yeah, please go play a current D1 woman player from a decent schools and then let us know how it went.This is the best reply in this award winning thread......
I just smh at the level of awe everyone has of some women players......they are...........WOMEN!!! So yes, the difference in power, skill level and other intangibles is going to be glaring.
I remember Davenport being number one on the WTA and saying on TV that her husband would beat her badly...because of the service game.