How would this 36 year old PETE fare against the current tour this year?

jl809

Hall of Fame
See crispy footage of Daddy Petros taking it to Prime Federer in 2007 and 2008:



The king hadn’t lost his touch. Short points, so he’d have been fine over long matches. No-one outside Djokodal has a great return + passing shot game now too. Does he take AO 22, Wimby 22, USO 22????:unsure: Is PETE a better player in his 30s than Djokodal??
 
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Deleted member 791948

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Even peak Sampras was not better than Nadal on hardcourt or clay, but it'd be a close match-up on grass :happydevil:
 
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didn't 30 year old Sampras get double breadsticked by Lleyton Hewitt in a USO final? Doubt 36 year old Sampras would win any majors
 

pj80

Legend
See crispy footage of Daddy Petros taking it to Prime Federer in 2007 and 2008:



The king hadn’t lost his touch. Short points, so he’d have been fine over long matches. No-one outside Djokodal has a great return + passing shot game now too. Does he take AO 22, Wimby 22, USO 22????:unsure: Is PETE a better player in his 30s than Djokodal??
here is 36 year old McEnroe vs Pete in 1995....how would he fare with todays tour?
 
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slower courts also, so he wouldn't be able to play his coveted 4 shot rallies. TBH I think he'd get eaten up now.

In one of the weakest eras of all time (comparably weak to the current era), these are Sampras' results at 29 and 30 years old.

2001 - Slam results: 4R-2R-4R-F

Masters: Only 1 final, and only 2 results better than QF, including that final.

YE ranking: #10

2002 - Slam Results: 4R-1R-2R-W

Masters: Only 1 SF, and no greater than 3R in his other 5 appearances

YE ranking: #13


This was late 20's early 30's Sampras. Already in pretty bad shape physically and results wise. Add another 7 years and yeah.... maybe not even a top 50 player in the modern day if he played at 36
 

Milanez82

Hall of Fame
See crispy footage of Daddy Petros taking it to Prime Federer in 2007 and 2008:



The king hadn’t lost his touch. Short points, so he’d have been fine over long matches. No-one outside Djokodal has a great return + passing shot game now too. Does he take AO 22, Wimby 22, USO 22????:unsure: Is PETE a better player in his 30s than Djokodal??
He might be competitive on challengers tour at best
 

ChrisRF

Legend
I'm 100 % sure that Federer didn't play seriously in those exhibitions. He obviously wasn't interested in destroying Sampras and I think it was even clear that Sampras would win one of those matches. Because if not, and if Sampras could really play that close with Federer, then it would have been absurd that he didn't still play on the regular tour.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Even peak Sampras was not better than Nadal on hardcourt or clay, but it'd be a close match-up on grass :happydevil:

2013 Nadal on hardcourt or in general? Pete in the 90s was pretty great and Nadal never came anywhere close to having a 2001 style draw at USO.

didn't 30 year old Sampras get double breadsticked by Lleyton Hewitt in a USO final? Doubt 36 year old Sampras would win any majors

The ATG 2001 USO draw where there was no rest day between Semi-Final? CONTEXT. Hewitt much easier road, MUCH.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
See crispy footage of Daddy Petros taking it to Prime Federer in 2007 and 2008:
Taking it to him?! :-D

Agassi summed up the obvious at the time these exos were played: "if these were real matches, the scores would be as close as Roger wanted them be. 6-0, 6-1 for Roger would be my guess... but, you know, this is entertainment so expect 3 close sets."
 

NonP

Legend
TL;DR: not so well.

Longer A: For one match and with his serve smoking he'd be a handful 4 any1, yes even peak Big 3. Don't just take it from moi, but from Blake following a '08 exo:

At least for one afternoon, tennis legend Pete Sampras proved he could still play with and beat just about anybody.

Sampras, who retired from competitive tennis in 2002, beat 10th-ranked James Blake, 6-7 (3), 6-3, 6-4 in an exhibition to benefit victims of hurricanes Gustav and Ike at the Pete Maravich Assembly Center on Sunday afternoon.

Sampras, who won seven Wimbledon and 14 Grand Slam titles overall during his 15-year career, showed his trademark big serve and powerful forehand and mixed in some fun to boot before about 7,000 fans at the PMAC in the Duel Under the Oaks II.

“I think one match at a time he can hang with anyone, especially on a quicker court,” Blake said. “He still serves huge, hits a forehand huge and takes you out of your rhythm on your service game.

“I think you put him in a one-match situation like here today, and he can hang with the big boys. It doesn’t look like too much has gone from his game.”

Some questioned whether Blake, 28, was taking it easy on the 37-year-old Sampras.

“You know, obviously this is the offseason, but I was playing for real,” he said.

Sampras wasn’t totally buying it.

“I think James was being pretty courteous to the retired guy,” said Sampras with a laugh. “I was serving pretty well and returning OK, but I’m not really sure how James was taking this match.”

“I just wanted to be competitive, and if I could pull a set in the match, it was a bonus.”

The match was competitive throughout with Blake winning a first-set tie-breaker 6-7 (3) before Sampras charged back to win the final two sets. In the first three games of the second set, Sampras won every service point.

“He served too good at times,” Blake said.

With the second set tied at 3-3, Blake had a chance to break Sampras but couldn’t do it as Sampras went on to a 6-3 win. Blake also had a chance in the third and deciding set and couldn’t come through.

There used to be a clip of that streak w/Pistol serving 4 straight aces/unreturnables, but this gives U a pretty decent idea:


That said there's a reason why he retired in his early 30s, so U really can't compare him with guys like Rosewall or Jimbo who continued to compete well into their late 30s. Even in that exo series w/Fraud U could see Pistol improving with each match, and while that might work at a 250/500 event U can't afford to play yourself into form at a Slam/Masters where U might draw a resurgent Delpo or not-sucking Zverev as early as the 1st week.

Now if we were talking a Sampras who never lost his motivation and continued his regular tour schedule for a few more years, that's a different matter. But we never got to see that Pistol, so all this chatter amounts to idle speculation.
 

Marco Rotim

Semi-Pro
Pete wouldn't cross the 1st week of a slam if played in his mid 30s, he just didn't have the stamina and neither could he have trained. I reckon he could still be competitive in Best of 3, thats why he was looking good in Macau, that and Roger holding back, if Roger went full swing at it then Pete would lose 6-0, 6-1.
 
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2013 Nadal on hardcourt or in general? Pete in the 90s was pretty great and Nadal never came anywhere close to having a 2001 style draw at USO.
Peak Nadal is better than peak Sampras on hardcourt :happydevil:
We've all got eyes, we can judge their level regardless of the draw they face.
We know 2010 US Open Nadal is the best hardcourter of all-time.
And 2010 US Open Djokovic was better than 2013 US Open Djokovic, btw.
 

Marco Rotim

Semi-Pro
Peak Nadal is better than peak Sampras on hardcourt :happydevil:
We've all got eyes, we can judge their level regardless of the draw they face.
We know 2010 US Open Nadal is the best hardcourter of all-time.
And 2010 US Open Djokovic was better than 2013 US Open Djokovic, btw.

Then why does peak Nadal have a poor % of wins on HCs vs Top 10 ?

I thought peak meant performing at the best, looks like your definition of peak is regularly under-performing ?
 

spottishwood

Hall of Fame
Then why does peak Nadal have a poor % of wins on HCs vs Top 10 ?

I thought peak meant performing at the best, looks like your definition of peak is regularly under-performing ?
Nadal could have easily broken Sampras' grass record also if he hadn't been hampered by injury through out his career. :happydevil: Nadal always drew difficult opponents while Sampras kept vulturing on Todd Martin and Guy Forget.
 

Marco Rotim

Semi-Pro
Nadal could have easily broken Sampras' grass record also if he wasn't hampered by injury through out his career. :happydevil: Nadal always drew difficult opponents while Sampras kept vulturing on Todd Martin and Guy Forget.

Peak Nadal is a mythical man who does not get injured and also serves like he did in 2010.
Peak Safin is a mythical man who is completely motivated about Tennis
Peak Federer is a mythical man who is born in some year in late 80s and using his latest racquet since his amateur days.

All of these mythical people are unbeaten in their own way. If they clash then no way to know who wins.
 

sliceroni

Hall of Fame
Ah Pistol. I’m a huge Fedal fan but if I could have anybody’s game it would still be Pete’s. Pete was retired and has not played an actual match on tour in years, he didn’t even keep up with his conditioning so naturally he will appear old and slow. People talk about past prime Pete having trouble with Hewitt. Let’s not forget before Fed domination Hewitt won 7 out of the first 10 matches he played against Federer, and Hewitt is 4-2 vs Nadal on hard and grass. Hewitt was a beast that eventually fell to injuries having multiple surgeries. A 36 year old Sampras that has been continuously active on the tour, injury free, given the racquet technology and adapted to the conditions would likely vulture this era too, but we’ll never know.
 
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Then why does peak Nadal have a poor % of wins on HCs vs Top 10 ?

I thought peak meant performing at the best, looks like your definition of peak is regularly under-performing ?
Because he's not consistent on hardcourts :happydevil:
I mean he is now, but he wasn't for most of his career.
Blame Uncle Toni for that.
 

D.Nalby12

G.O.A.T.
Don't know how Old Sampras would do in Current time. But what I know for sure that Djoko-Nadal aren't playing anything spectacular Tennis lately. They're keep adding more Slams because there is no one who can play decent Tennis.
 

Midaso240

Legend
I mean, in an isolated match he could beat anyone for sure. It's just the problem he had in his 30s is lasting the distance physically over an entire slam or an entire calendar year
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
See crispy footage of Daddy Petros taking it to Prime Federer in 2007 and 2008:



The king hadn’t lost his touch. Short points, so he’d have been fine over long matches. No-one outside Djokodal has a great return + passing shot game now too. Does he take AO 22, Wimby 22, USO 22????:unsure: Is PETE a better player in his 30s than Djokodal??
Wow, Sampras' serving technique is poetry in motion: An absolute Beauty!
:love:
 
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Herald

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Loaded question. Let's pull Fed out of bed tomorrow and throw him on Center Court, see how well he does against Hurkacz.

Sampras had been retired for SIX YEARS and still played phenomenal. Other than his competitive edge, his only huge decline was footspeed which for him is a much bigger deal than other greats because it was what allowed him to close the net and dominate. Despite that, his massive serve, forehand and guiles let him hang with Blake and Fed.

Give Pete a poly strung NCode bazooka, some legal recovery juices, a demo year on the tour, and a pack of Cubans and he smokes 'em the following year.
 
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Herald

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In all honesty, Sampras is underrated on TTW.

I understand ''recency bias'', but Petros would be in the 20+ club if he played in this era.
So true. Pete is hated on this miserable forum, but his 14 compare to whatever haul the future gives us.
 
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